Does It Really? What's the Deal with the bodybugg?
By: Dean Anderson,
SparkPeople Blogger
1/29/2009 11:19 AM
: 227 comments
Wouldn’t it be great if there were an easy-to-use, moderately priced weight loss tool that told you exactly how many calories you burned each day, how many you ate, and what your real calorie surplus or deficit is?
That would sure take a lot of the mystery and confusion out of the business of losing or maintaining weight. Right now, all the numbers you get from exercise machines, online calculators, and even heart rate monitors come from general formulas based on statistical data from large numbers of people. Since no two people are exactly alike, these general estimates can be, and usually are, inaccurate—sometimes by as much as 30-40%. And food trackers, of course, are only accurate if you record everything you eat.
Well, there is a device that claims to come pretty close to solving these problems. If you watch "The Biggest Loser" on NBC, you’ve probably seen it on the contestants—it’s called the bodybugg. The bodybugg is owned and sold by Apex Fitness, the same company that owns the chain of gyms called 24 Hour Fitness, which is also a major sponsor of "The Biggest Loser" show. For current pricing and information about what you get for your money, you can check the company's website.
The bodybugg system consists of two parts. The first is an armband sensor that collects several kinds of information about you as you go through your daily activity, and uses it to estimate your calorie expenditure during both your exercise and the rest of your daily activities; you can also get an optional wristwatch-style display that shows you the numbers. The second part is a computer software program that does some math, based on the armband data and other information you provide, to figure out how much you must have eaten in order to produce the changes in your body weight observed over any given period of time. It also tracks your numbers over time and has some other features.
Basically, it's the opposite of the traditional method of tracking your food intake carefully, and estimating your calorie expenditure.
In theory, the bodybugg eliminates the need for tracking your food intake (check out the video on their website, which claims "Don't want to track your food? You don't have to!") and counting calories in versus calories out. Bodybugg's gadgets and formulas and software would do all this for you. All you'd need to do is wear the armband most of the time, spend a little time on the computer, and adjust your food intake or your exercise until your calorie deficit is what you want it to be. You also have to pay monthly fees ($14.95 right now) for the online software to work, without which, the Bodybugg is not very useful.
That's how it works in theory. But does it actually work in real life?
To fully explain and analyze the bodybugg program, it would be necessary to discuss some pretty technical stuff that, I imagine, won’t appeal to very many readers. It doesn’t even appeal to me, and I like this kind of stuff. So, I’m going to go straight to my conclusions first, and then finish with the technical part. For those of you who want to look at the technical issues in even more detail, I’ll provide some links at the end of this blog.
Bottom Line: I don’t think the bodybugg is quite ready for primetime. It could be, with some changes in its technology and software program. But as it stands, it basically seems to create more opportunities for errors to be made, rather than fewer opportunities.
Here are the two major problems I see with the bodybugg program:
The most basic and important problem is their assumption that you can determine your actual calorie intake without tracking it, by simply comparing your energy expenditure to changes in your weight. Things just aren’t that simple. (The bodybugg promotional video says, "Don't want to count your calories? You don't have to." Plus, the video says you don't have to exercise or diet.)
Lots of factors affect your weight at any given moment, and many of them have nothing to do with whether you are gaining, losing or maintaining body fat. The bodybugg system has no way to sort these different factors out or determine what has actually changed when the number on the scale changes. It simply assumes that all weight changes are based on the difference between calories in and calories out. So, if you lose a pound, the system will tell you that you ate 3,500 fewer calories than you burned since your last weigh in, whether you did or not.
Arguably, the system could be fairly accurate over a long period of time, like a month or more, because more time between weigh-ins would tend to minimize the effects of short-term factors (like water-weight fluctuations) on weight changes. But then there would be no way to figure out which foods or meals are producing the calorie excess or deficit. And it’s not going to tell you if you gained or lost muscle as well as fat.
Although it takes a little time and effort, I think actually tracking your food intake is the easiest way to win "the numbers game" of weight loss. And it also allows you to see your nutritional status, find out what kind of nutrient ratios help you achieve your particular goals, and genuinely learn where calories and nutrients come from. I can’t see giving all that away for an estimate that’s bound to be much less accurate. The bodybugg website does have a food tracking feature, but it's being marketed as an alternative to calorie counting and tracking.
The armband sensor doesn’t actually measure energy expenditure; it just uses more factors to come up with it’s estimate. It still relies on statistical formulas that won’t be accurate for everyone and don’t cover a number of common situations.
The bodybugg sensor doesn’t include a heart rate sensor. Instead it uses an accelerometer to measure motion, a heat flux sensor to measure heat dissipated by your body, a galvanic skin response sensor (a “lie detector”) to measure sweat rate, and a skin temperature sensor to track changes in your body’s core temperature. All of these factors are definitely relevant to calculating calorie expenditure, but none of them measure it either directly or indirectly. According to studies, this combination of measurements can predict calorie expenditure with a 8-10% margin of error, compared to the “gold standard” methods used for laboratory-based measurements of metabolic rate.
This means that, for estimating exercise calories burned, the bodybugg armband is no more accurate than a good heart rate monitor--but it does have more limitations due to the specific factors it looks at. For example, the armband can’t be used to estimate calorie expenditure when biking on a real bike, because the accelerometer can’t take gearing into account or allow for the fact that arm movement isn't an indicator of body movement or muscle workload on a bicycle. And the armband can’t be worn in water. Basically, the bodybugg will probably be less accurate than a heart rate monitor for exercises other than walking, running, stationary cycling, and stair climbing.
Some of these problems could be eliminated or reduced by incorporating a heart rate sensor into the armband sensor, and adjusting the algorithms it uses to include more exercise options. But unless (or until) that happens, I don’t think the bodybugg system offers more than you can get for a lot less money elsewhere.
Also, you should know that, whenever you’re not wearing the bodybugg, or when it’s not recording data for some reason (low battery, just not working right, etc), the computer system makes its own estimate of your calorie expenditure, using the same generic formula that almost all other online calculators use to estimate your resting metabolic rate—for free.
Is it easy to use?
I actually tried the bodybugg myself for a few weeks and have to say I found the armband uncomfortable to wear for very long. Also, it frequently shut itself off for no apparent reason. This was a “free sample” sent to us for testing purposes, so I didn’t make much effort to figure out whether there was something wrong with my particular unit, or whether the problems were caused by something I was doing wrong or due to the design of the armband itself. But I generally found it hard to use, and would have been unhappy if I had actually paid for it. The website seemed pretty well done, and if the two major problems described above were worked out so that the calorie deficit/surplus number was reliable, I think the bodybugg could be a pretty effective and motivational tool.
But it's not there yet, in my opinion.
For a detailed review of major studies on the bodybugg's accuracy, go here.
What do you think about the bodybugg? Have you tried it? Do you think it would be worth $300-400 for a tool that actually could tell you what your calorie deficit (or surplus) is on any given day?
Editor's Note: Thank you so much for your lively comments on our review of the bodybugg.
Our blogger, Coach Dean, has researched and followed the bodybugg for a few years. He had been reading about and researching this product and similar products long before he tried this one. If anything, this is the most unbiased information about how the bodybugg works because it doesn't come from people who are trying to sell it to you. We consider this to be unbiased, informative, and well-researched by a person who is an expert in exercise and physiology. Fans of the bodybugg might not like to hear the facts, but learning how the device works shouldn't diminish whether a person who already uses it find it to be helpful as it is.
And ultimately, please remember that a review is the opinion and experience of one person. You are entitled to your own opinion, based on your own experience.
Cheers,
Stepfanie
p.s. Please remember that the SparkPeople Community Guidelines apply to comments left on the dailySpark.
That would sure take a lot of the mystery and confusion out of the business of losing or maintaining weight. Right now, all the numbers you get from exercise machines, online calculators, and even heart rate monitors come from general formulas based on statistical data from large numbers of people. Since no two people are exactly alike, these general estimates can be, and usually are, inaccurate—sometimes by as much as 30-40%. And food trackers, of course, are only accurate if you record everything you eat.
Well, there is a device that claims to come pretty close to solving these problems. If you watch "The Biggest Loser" on NBC, you’ve probably seen it on the contestants—it’s called the bodybugg. The bodybugg is owned and sold by Apex Fitness, the same company that owns the chain of gyms called 24 Hour Fitness, which is also a major sponsor of "The Biggest Loser" show. For current pricing and information about what you get for your money, you can check the company's website.
The bodybugg system consists of two parts. The first is an armband sensor that collects several kinds of information about you as you go through your daily activity, and uses it to estimate your calorie expenditure during both your exercise and the rest of your daily activities; you can also get an optional wristwatch-style display that shows you the numbers. The second part is a computer software program that does some math, based on the armband data and other information you provide, to figure out how much you must have eaten in order to produce the changes in your body weight observed over any given period of time. It also tracks your numbers over time and has some other features.
Basically, it's the opposite of the traditional method of tracking your food intake carefully, and estimating your calorie expenditure.
In theory, the bodybugg eliminates the need for tracking your food intake (check out the video on their website, which claims "Don't want to track your food? You don't have to!") and counting calories in versus calories out. Bodybugg's gadgets and formulas and software would do all this for you. All you'd need to do is wear the armband most of the time, spend a little time on the computer, and adjust your food intake or your exercise until your calorie deficit is what you want it to be. You also have to pay monthly fees ($14.95 right now) for the online software to work, without which, the Bodybugg is not very useful.
That's how it works in theory. But does it actually work in real life?
To fully explain and analyze the bodybugg program, it would be necessary to discuss some pretty technical stuff that, I imagine, won’t appeal to very many readers. It doesn’t even appeal to me, and I like this kind of stuff. So, I’m going to go straight to my conclusions first, and then finish with the technical part. For those of you who want to look at the technical issues in even more detail, I’ll provide some links at the end of this blog.
Bottom Line: I don’t think the bodybugg is quite ready for primetime. It could be, with some changes in its technology and software program. But as it stands, it basically seems to create more opportunities for errors to be made, rather than fewer opportunities.
Here are the two major problems I see with the bodybugg program:
Lots of factors affect your weight at any given moment, and many of them have nothing to do with whether you are gaining, losing or maintaining body fat. The bodybugg system has no way to sort these different factors out or determine what has actually changed when the number on the scale changes. It simply assumes that all weight changes are based on the difference between calories in and calories out. So, if you lose a pound, the system will tell you that you ate 3,500 fewer calories than you burned since your last weigh in, whether you did or not.
Arguably, the system could be fairly accurate over a long period of time, like a month or more, because more time between weigh-ins would tend to minimize the effects of short-term factors (like water-weight fluctuations) on weight changes. But then there would be no way to figure out which foods or meals are producing the calorie excess or deficit. And it’s not going to tell you if you gained or lost muscle as well as fat.
Although it takes a little time and effort, I think actually tracking your food intake is the easiest way to win "the numbers game" of weight loss. And it also allows you to see your nutritional status, find out what kind of nutrient ratios help you achieve your particular goals, and genuinely learn where calories and nutrients come from. I can’t see giving all that away for an estimate that’s bound to be much less accurate. The bodybugg website does have a food tracking feature, but it's being marketed as an alternative to calorie counting and tracking.
The bodybugg sensor doesn’t include a heart rate sensor. Instead it uses an accelerometer to measure motion, a heat flux sensor to measure heat dissipated by your body, a galvanic skin response sensor (a “lie detector”) to measure sweat rate, and a skin temperature sensor to track changes in your body’s core temperature. All of these factors are definitely relevant to calculating calorie expenditure, but none of them measure it either directly or indirectly. According to studies, this combination of measurements can predict calorie expenditure with a 8-10% margin of error, compared to the “gold standard” methods used for laboratory-based measurements of metabolic rate.
This means that, for estimating exercise calories burned, the bodybugg armband is no more accurate than a good heart rate monitor--but it does have more limitations due to the specific factors it looks at. For example, the armband can’t be used to estimate calorie expenditure when biking on a real bike, because the accelerometer can’t take gearing into account or allow for the fact that arm movement isn't an indicator of body movement or muscle workload on a bicycle. And the armband can’t be worn in water. Basically, the bodybugg will probably be less accurate than a heart rate monitor for exercises other than walking, running, stationary cycling, and stair climbing.
Some of these problems could be eliminated or reduced by incorporating a heart rate sensor into the armband sensor, and adjusting the algorithms it uses to include more exercise options. But unless (or until) that happens, I don’t think the bodybugg system offers more than you can get for a lot less money elsewhere.
Also, you should know that, whenever you’re not wearing the bodybugg, or when it’s not recording data for some reason (low battery, just not working right, etc), the computer system makes its own estimate of your calorie expenditure, using the same generic formula that almost all other online calculators use to estimate your resting metabolic rate—for free.
Is it easy to use?
I actually tried the bodybugg myself for a few weeks and have to say I found the armband uncomfortable to wear for very long. Also, it frequently shut itself off for no apparent reason. This was a “free sample” sent to us for testing purposes, so I didn’t make much effort to figure out whether there was something wrong with my particular unit, or whether the problems were caused by something I was doing wrong or due to the design of the armband itself. But I generally found it hard to use, and would have been unhappy if I had actually paid for it. The website seemed pretty well done, and if the two major problems described above were worked out so that the calorie deficit/surplus number was reliable, I think the bodybugg could be a pretty effective and motivational tool.
But it's not there yet, in my opinion.
For a detailed review of major studies on the bodybugg's accuracy, go here.
What do you think about the bodybugg? Have you tried it? Do you think it would be worth $300-400 for a tool that actually could tell you what your calorie deficit (or surplus) is on any given day?
Editor's Note: Thank you so much for your lively comments on our review of the bodybugg.
Our blogger, Coach Dean, has researched and followed the bodybugg for a few years. He had been reading about and researching this product and similar products long before he tried this one. If anything, this is the most unbiased information about how the bodybugg works because it doesn't come from people who are trying to sell it to you. We consider this to be unbiased, informative, and well-researched by a person who is an expert in exercise and physiology. Fans of the bodybugg might not like to hear the facts, but learning how the device works shouldn't diminish whether a person who already uses it find it to be helpful as it is.
And ultimately, please remember that a review is the opinion and experience of one person. You are entitled to your own opinion, based on your own experience.
Cheers,
Stepfanie
p.s. Please remember that the SparkPeople Community Guidelines apply to comments left on the dailySpark.
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This is a review of the earliest model of GoWear Fit/ Bodybugg/ Bodymedia device. This was before the bluetooth, cool wristband and updates to software.
Before you get snarky and "correct" the reviewer, remember that you are "correcting" old data. Maybe one of you who seem to know it all can write your own review? - 1/30/2012 10:50:56 AM
- 6/4/2011 4:40:12 PM
It does keep me motivated to move more. I can't wait to load it up at night and see how I've done through the day. - 6/26/2010 9:52:24 AM
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I assumed the usual 500 cal/day average deficit for losing 1 lb per week.
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June 12, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Weight training doesn’t seem to burn many calories above base using the bodybugg.
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- 6/12/2010 2:22:53 PM
After about 15 minutes, I forgot it was even on. The band comes in medium and large. I have a large arm and it fits perfectly, with extra room to spare! The website could be updated a little better--it logs you out too frequently, doesn't remember your username/password. I am not too impressed with their food log so far either. I am hoping that I can still log in my food through sp and eventually transfer the calorie count to the bb website. I like the idea of always knowing how many calories I have burned. That way I can decide if I really need to climb the stairs or if I can take the elevator after a long, tiring day at work. The picture of the Body Bugg in the story appears to be an older version. Maybe that's why the author had more problems.
And if it works for the contestants on the Biggest Loser, maybe it will work for me too :) - 6/5/2010 5:21:09 AM
- 4/21/2010 3:40:56 PM
The GWF is less expensive. overall and the monthly fees as well. It was the right choice for me, and really, like every other aspect of our diet and fitness routines, what works for me may or may not work for any one else. I'm happy with my decision but defend any one else's right to disagree based on their experiences. How else can we learn but to listem to differing viewpoints?
I wasnt an (active) member when this was 1st published, so I missed it. I caught the mention on the Spark BLog and came over to take a peak :) - 8/21/2009 8:32:42 PM
It would seem the BB folks have found their market, and are doing well. Kudos to them. Business is business, and I can respect most companies that find their niche, market to it well, and mantain good customer satisfaction.
It's brilliant, really, because it's an ongoing expense (i.e., about $15/ month) in addition to the major one-time purchase (i.e., $300-$400). Certainly makes sense from a business perspective. I'm sure they're making a great deal of money. More power to 'em.
Personally, I do not need the BB folks to complete basic math for me. At that price, I think I'll stick to my trusty calculator and the wonderful tools at SP!
To each her own!
~STS~ - 8/21/2009 2:41:12 PM
I find it amazing the comments people make about something they have no knowledge of. I can only recommend that you try it, you will absolutely love it. I would not trade it for ANYTHING! I'm sure if everyone were given one, they would love it as much as I do. - 2/17/2009 10:48:54 PM
A) cost more than twice what a good HRM costs
B) cost an additional monthly fee.
For that kind of money, I want something with better than an 8-10% margin of error. If it's margin of error were considerably different than the (much cheaper) HRM, I again might consider it.
It's just simple economics for me. I certainly don't begrudge those who love gadgets even more than me and have the extra cash to spare. - 2/12/2009 2:40:38 PM
I have tried heartrate monitors and pedometers in the past. They have always disappointed me because they are never very accurate. Always seemed like a waste of my money.
So- I was really skeptical about this product. As coach Dean says- it is pricey and i was concerned that it wouldn't do what it advertised. I am so glad I made the decision to try it! I love this thing!
I think this thing is great for giving you a more accurate measure of what you are burning. I had been watching my food and working out for over a year and had remained at the same weight- which was very frustrating! After getting this in- I realized that I wasn't burning nearly as many calories during exercise as I thought I was. The elliptical always told me that I was burning over 800 calories an hour. Turns out it wasn't even close to that much! This thing has helped bring me back to reality in how many calories I actually burn. I have a very sedentary job and having the display tell me that I am not burning many calories really motivates me to get up and be more active at work and when I get home I no longer tend to sit in front of the TV all night!
As for the comfort of the armband- I don't tend to feel it most of the time. When I do feel it- I just think my bra strap has fallen down! :)
I still use SparkPeople to track my food intake- as I am a little obsessed with calories in! :) So I really can't speak to the calorie tracking tools on their website. As for the rest of the tracking tools on their website- I think they are great. The sleeping tracker is very interesting to see. Turns out I don't sleep all that well- no wonder I always wake up so tired! And if you do the website for a year- it is under $7 a month- you could spend that at a fast food restaurant or Starbucks easily! It is all about keeping it in perspective!
Please do your research on this piece of equipment. It is important to take ALL reviews in to account and make the decision that is best for you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion- it is up to you to put them all together and make an informed decision. While this things works really well for a lot of people- it might not be for everyone- and that is ok. As for a scam- this just isn't one of them. If you do the work- you will see the results! :) - 2/6/2009 9:33:51 AM
1. It took me less than 1 Day to not even notice I was wearing it, perhaps you had it pulled too tight or did not wear it properly if you found it uncomfortable. Most reviews I've read from all over the web said the same thing, so I tend to think that you finding it uncomfortable is the exception rather than the rule.
2. They don't mis-lead people into thinking it will track your food for you. Losing weight isn't about tracking food. It isn't about burning calories. It's about the combination of the two and finding a calorie deficit that works for your personal weight loss. Spark people doesn't work perfectly either as I find the calories burned/fitness section sorely lacking in helpful information. What most people that have discussed these devices are doing, is tracking their food separately, using the burn from body bugg/gowear fit to estimate their calorie deficit.
Short of tying ourselves to a hospital machine, this seems like a great solution for everyday usage. And as far as saying it's as good as a heart rate monitor, I'm sorry but that statement is such a generalization I can't take it seriously. Heart rate monitors DO NOT WORK FOR EVERYONE! About two minutes into a workout it tells me my heart rate has exceeded my recommended range. I've been to a doctor, I have a very healthy heart, they just don't read correctly on me. Most people I've discussed things with have said that the heart rate monitor way over-estimates calorie burn. I would rather have a device that uses multiple measurements to calculate an estimate then to rely solely on one that doesn't even work for me.
Nothing is perfect, and yes it's an estimate. Who says it's exact? It gives you a starting point to see how you're doing, a goal to reach for. How can you bash that for everyone when you obviously haven't considered all of the ramifications of what you've said. This is the first time I have ever been disappointed in Spark People and I hope the last. In the future, I'd recommend talking to more people to make sure your "opinion" is on board with the majority before you publish it to people that rely on your word. - 2/3/2009 9:37:46 AM
I have been wearing the BodyBugg for almost a year now (yes, every single day, 24/7, except when showering) and it has made a HUGE difference in my efforts to lose weight and get in shape.
First off, you said that the device was uncomfortable to wear. As I stated above, I've been wearing this for almost a year now and most of the time, I forget that I even have it on. Perhaps you had your band too tight? Or maybe it wasn't positioned quite right on your arm? I have found, through trial and error, that there is a perfect spot on my arm, where it practically disappears and I completely forget about it.
In regards to your issue with the armband turning off randomly, the only time I have ever experienced that was either when the battery was low and needed to be replaced or when the band was not tight enough to hold the device in place, where the sensors were in constant contact with my skin. At first, it just takes some adjusting to get the perfect fit.
No heart rate monitor or calorie expenditure measuring device is going to be 100% accurate. At least not any time in the near future. However, in my opinion, the BodyBugg is much more accurate than any of the heart rate monitors that I have tried in the past (including 2 polar models at the same time, which gave me completely different readings).
If nothing else, the BodyBugg really ups my motivation factor. When I can see how close I am to meeting my daily calorie expenditure and step goals, it pushes me to get there. And when I'm working out and I hear the digital readout beep at me to signal that I've reached one of my goals, it puts a smile on my face and gives me a little nudge to keep on going.
Before the BodyBugg, I had zero idea of how many calories I was burning per day. The estimating calculators that I found online were off by 25% or more every single time. Also, the BMR calculator that I had been using was not quite right. And, guess what? Despite tracking every bite and working out 2 hours or more most days of the week, I wasn't losing weight. Come to find out, my daily calorie deficit was too large, since I didn't know how many calories I was burning each day. If not for the BodyBugg, I would have never known that and probably given up on my goals. Now, I know that I can eat more than I was before and lose more weight at the same time.
I appreciate and respect your opinion, Coach Dean, but I fear you may have mislead quite a few people in this community, since you stated that you didn't take the time to troubleshoot the issues you had with the BodyBugg.
- 2/3/2009 8:50:08 AM
I bought mine on sale for $199 which included the 3 month online subscription and 5 twenty-five minute personal training sessions. I plan to renew my online subscription - my experience has been that good!
Thank you for presenting the facts as you found them. I have found my BB to be priceless! - 2/1/2009 8:51:43 PM
Either way, I track my food in their tracker and I also track here at Sparks - just comparing the results of the two. They're generally pretty close. Yes, I like Sparks for food tracking better but the other one is do-able.
Overall though, I love the numbers game. It claims to be accurate give or take 10%. I can live with that. I know that on my own I'm not accurate at all. And frankly, on Sparks, I don't trust the accuracy of their "calories burned" on a lot of exercises because those lists don't take my weight or level of effort into consideration. The bugg closely matches what I get in terms of "calories burned" on the machines I use at the gym - and those machines DO measure my heart rate, so again, the bugg's capabilities right now are good enough for me.
Luckily I had heard about a special deal on 24hourfitness.com so I ordered mine from that web site. It was $249 and the display (which is normally $99) was thrown in free. In addition it came with a six month subscription to the web site.
In an ideal world the device WOULD somehow calculate calories eaten. And in an ideal world bodybugg and Sparks would team up and give us the best of both worlds. - 2/1/2009 7:15:23 PM
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