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10/13/09 8:49 P

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I'm starting to think my trouble started when I put on my shoes and went to the big city. That's where I fell for those big city men, that led to more trouble.

Do we need another new thread for that? Tami and Susan have posted here, and I'm going to reply in the new thread: Like to Run?. . .



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I will just be happy when I can walk comfortably and "The Summer of the Foot Surgeries" will be a distant memory!

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Maybe Boo can move and rename this thread -- others might want to talk about running and feet but not water. Let's see - the more you drink, the more running you will do. . .

Edited by: SWIFTURTLE at: 10/12/2009 (16:47)


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Good idea! I've started the thread you requested, barefoot contessa.
Here's the new thread title: "Like to RUN? NO? Shoes? Feet? Pain?"

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Or the more you run the more drinking you will do...

I'm a runner and I love it... I used to hate it and had to work at getting past the 30 minute mark. Once I could run that long it became easy(er). You get to enjoy the blood circulating around the the energy and good feelings that produces.

My orthopedic doc told me I had osteoarthritis in my knee which happened as a result of an accident I had in my previous life as a tae kwon do enthusiast. Then he told me that I better not stop running or it would deteriorate at a much faster rate.

I fully expect to run as long as I'm alive, at least that's my goal. It keeps my weight in a healthy range like nothing else could.

I know that running isn't for everybody and I do temper it with other activities... I still walk and bicycle as my other exercises. Most of the time I don't run 2 days in a row in an effort to avoid injury. I have tried swimming, walking, bicycling... I like all of these activities but if I don't run the weight comes right back on.

About the water... I think it is necessary to drink a certain amount of water to mobilize the fat. When I was with weight watchers, it was 6 cups a day. I drank more when I ran because I was thirsty. I don't believe that we need 8 cups of water a day and I once read a book (I'd have to go home to tell you what it is) about fitness myths and water does seem to be one of them. There apparently isn't any scientific evidence to support 8 cups of water a day. But I do remember seeing that fluid, which you can get in your food or other drinks, is necessary to mobilize the fat in order to lose weight. I had a period of time that I was following my diet very strictly but not drinking fluids and was completely unable to lose weight. So I am a believer, at least for me, in the 6 cup rule.

That's my 2 cents.

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Kris, I've read some excerpts from that book. With my foot problems, I'm interested in whatever will solve the problem. I don't run except when I'm chased, or getting out of the way of the sprinkler after adjusting it emoticon .

I'm sure the book answers the question: When people went barefoot, there was no pavement. . .

Like lots of people, I've gone for all the cushioning I could find in a shoe--like walking around on pillows. I did read how that can be harmful and weaken feet.

EVERYBODY TAKE A LOT AT KJNE80'S FEET IN HER BLOG!

I've just ordered the Strong Knees Workout from gaiam.com, I read about it on the Over 50 message board.

Maybe Boo can move and rename this thread -- others might want to talk about running and feet but not water. Let's see - the more you drink, the more running you will do. . .

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I ran (jogged really) EVERYWHERE when I was younger. Even to the gym and back after working out. I ran my son's paper route w/ him. He was on his bike. But now I'm older, the knees are screaming and I've had ankle surgery so I'm hoping my brisk walking is still just as good. (for my age any way)
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Here's another controversial thing to be throwing into the mix with regard to the running. Having just finished the book Born to Run by Christopher MacDougall maybe it's not running in and of itself, that is to blame for the increase in Plantar Fasciitis and other running related injuries. Perhaps it's the shoes! Perhaps, changing the way that we run by putting ourselves in cushioned, elevated heel shoes, is causing the problem.

I mean really - is millions of years of evolution wrong?

Here is what I have in an email from a fellow that runs the Birthday Shoes website:

"From what I've heard... there's no science supporting shoes as preventing injuries -- injury rates have stayed constant since high-heeled sneakers came about in the 70s (I think that was mentioned in Born to Run -- don't have the citation though).  So starting from that point, to me, it seems self-apparent that the benefit of the doubt has to go in favor of minimal footwear or no footwear at all -- barefooting.  The "science" is raw biology -- evolution.  Our feet evolved to function over countless biological trial and error.  That this evolutionary process would produce handicapped feet, ones unable to walk/run without cushioning, just doesn't make a lot of sense.  If nothing else, I think you have to be skeptical that shoes can de facto improve on a couple million years of evolution."

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More people are running? No wonder the Plantar Fasciitis team is suddenly gaining new members.

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It has got to be hard to try to speak to all bodies, all the time... I remember 2 1/2 years ago when walking 1/4 of a block was such a horrible hard time- I would cry myself to sleep cause my hip hurt so much. Now... 4-8 miles, and I'm ready to do it again the next day.
Yum. If running jeopardizes my joints in ANY WAY, I'm not going there. I've got too much arthritis, and too much weight still.

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Since I read the articles about the water myths, I've been more thirsty. When my mind hears that I don't have to do something, it makes me want to do whatever it is MORE. I'm a sick puppy.
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On the running subject....
Running isn't my thing, though I have friends who are addicted to it. It seems to me that SparkPeople DOES push "running marathons", for whatever reason. They may just be trying to get people to "think big" and to try for a big physical achievement, and marathons are just the example they're choosing to use.

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8 CUPS of water is a hell of a lot less than 8 GLASSES of water. Me, I drink when I'm thirsty, keep a water bottle with me in key places (at work, at the gym, at choir practice), but I don't think it's necessary to superhydrate myself every day. I can't be running to the bathroom every twenty minutes.

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It's funny because I have actually taken in MORE water since I read this post and the article on water myths. I think I just gave up totally on the 8 glasses and ignored the whole issue. Now I'm just trying to hit the 4 mark, because I'm figuring all the fruit/veggies/coffee/soup/etc IS hydrating me the rest of the way (if it's even necessary).

Odd how the mind works...

As far as the running goes: I LOVE to run, but my back does not like it. If I go for a run, I can't sit for the rest of the day. Otherwise, I don't have back issues. It's just not made for me.


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LOL, I've found that dedicated runners can be a tiny bit cranky if you dare point out that there are other effective workouts, especially ones that are easier on the joints.

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Hi all - I totally agree that the 8 glasses of water is a myth. You can count coffee, tea, even sports drinks, etc. You also get tons of water from your food!

I train a lot - and I drink when I am thirsty. The whole if you're thirsty you are already dehydrated is another myth. If you're hungry it doesn't mean that you are already starving! So I drink to thirst and I also know that if my pee is pale yellow to almost clear that I am getting plenty of fluids.

As for running, I had a little tiny debate once about running on another board and there were those who were saying that it is the best cardio out there and I disagreed. I teach a lot of other types of cardio including step aerobics, dance and spinning. In any one of those I can burn MORE calories in one hour than I can running! And I agree that race walking, mile for mile, you are going to burn way more calories than running.

PS - I also run, hike and cycle so I do a little bit of everything so I have a good base for comparing what burns what :)

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10/11/09 9:21 A

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Coffee, eggs, the information is out there--as far as it goes. But you can become like the people in the bing.com commercial, victims of search overload. It's the best commercial I've seen in SO long--the only one I'll really watch. But I've only seen it on VH1. It might be online, so you can search for it. (It IS ME.)

You have to be careful on the internet, or you'll be buying the junk that comes up in the searches. A lot of people trust SP for their information. I like the suggestions here, Electralyte and Mare.

That's great advice on the running. I don't think saying it makes you an SP basher! If we couldn't talk about things, it would be a cult.

Boo, thanks for the links! I had no trouble putting them on the Over 50 board, but when I tried in this post it was the usual problem.

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I merrilly click away on the 'glasses of water' thingie... and I do drink water. HOWEVER- I had already read (in Spark, too!) that you can count 2/3 of any other drink as water, so I count my 2 cups of coffee as 2/3- and count teas, too.
A slice of bread is 80% water in 'true' composition... but I don't count that- grin. So- yes, I agree- the continuous push to drink water seems like an error in some ways- out of balance to the true Spark spirit.
Bottom line- real world- we are each in a journey of 'one'. Spark says that, too. Like somebody else said- find what works for you.
By the way--- have youse guys noticed the big push for running? It seems like so many of our Spark leaders are in to running, and running has become the 'non-plus ultra' on the site. I'm not against the folks who do---- but it is NOT always the right or healthy thing to do, as far as I'm concerned. Hmph. My Dad was a Marathoner for 30 years, and later he said he wished he could tell everybody, and especially his own younger self, that race walking is better for the body. Heck, you can go 7mph race walking... good enough for jazz. (No, I'm not up to 7mph... but still.)
I'm turning this into an 'argh, Spark makes mistakes' thread. Not intending to hijack, but ya got me going.
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Here's the link to the NPR story.

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Interesting article.

Since I dance and sweat a lot, I keep a water bottle handy. And, like LOE, I drink water as a substitute for the drinks with calories. So unless it's "holy" water, I don't have a problem with it.

Of course, it IS good to have scientific input about the subject.

Here's the PlanetGreen story.
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Even SP has conflicting articles on things. Like HFCS, soy, etc. Take what you can use, use your common sense. Or be totally confused and give up!
I am one that has to remind myself constantly to drink some water. I just don't feel thirsty, but the 8 cups thing is not for everyone.

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I think most people drink more than 8 cups of liquid a day. I use the "8 glasses of water" thing as a way to drink more water and less soda.

But, that's just me.

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Jazzie, I was typing while your post got entered and didn't see it. I'm so glad you got the message. Personally, I couldn't ever stand plain water, though I need any useful tool that's out there. . . .

I do drink plain cold water when I'm thirsty. And that's all. It feels great to say it. emoticon

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Thanks, Tami, I missed that show. Word's getting out. Everyone on SP can use a computer, and get the latest info., if they want. That doesn't mean drink NO water.

It's well known as a useful tool for dieters (err, for a healthy lifestyle). It's deceptive to maintain that it's any more than that.

Obviously for me this is a personal issue!

SP has softened its guideline a little with the latest blurb, but still has the rule in the guidelines themselves. It doesn't bother me like it did at first, but I have these flare-ups.

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I just googled the NPR site and THANK YOU for sharing it in this post!!!! I want to join your evangelical church of water=myth. I ALWAYS leave that water tally at 0. I've tried. I can't do it. I eat my 7 or so fruits & veggies and just thought I must be getting all I need from my juicy food. It's such a crazy struggle and I had NEVER heard it might be in vain.

Thanks, Turtle!!!! Eased my guilt a lot.

PS: We DO have a large delivered water bottle in our home and I do fill my container and have it with me. I just only have about 1/4 of what they suggest. Didn't want anyone to think I didn't drink a drop of the stuff... emoticon

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Dr Oz covered this the other day as well. He said that the "8 glasses" was based on some study from the early 1900's and that not everyone needs to drink that much fluid. He said that as long as you are drinking enough to keep your urine pale yellow, then you are not dehydrated.

Personally, I drink more than 8 glasses every day BUT, I have a shortened digestive track and don't absorb water the way everyone else does. I need the extra water to keep from getting dehydrated. Most people don't unless they're working in extreme heat or doing alot of training.

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Well, that's really extreme. Being the rebel that I am, I had to calm down when I first joined SP - all I could think is "I'm not drinking all that water!"

The information is out there--I dropped the issue and tried to ignore the water obsession I saw almost everywhere on the site. When I posted any questions about it, others fiercely defended it, and there appeared a short piece titled "Why is Sparkpeople so obsessed with water?" on the nutrition page, and it popped up again yesterday on the opening message board page!

Sparkpeople still keeps the tally of cups of water drunk on our screen, and people still struggle to get it all down. I've seen the question come up again and again on the over 50 board. I still read that periodically, and sometimes join in.

People are struggling needlessly, I believe, and every so often I can't help but say "relax." The latest thread is on the over 50 board, titled "Drinking 8 cups of water," I think. I always mess up with giving links.

Many who've accomplished the water intake, from years and years of belief in this rule, should not take offense at my point of view, but they always do.
I tried to ignore it totally and work on myself--there's plenty to do here. This time I tried to join in without offending people.

It's SP's belief, if SP is an entity, that making people drink so much is helpful in starting a healthful lifestyle. I'm starting one myself, I just want the guidlelines to be based on fact and not myth.

The subject has not come up on this team before, and I'm fairly sure we heathens, being science lovers, are up to snuff on what the deal is.

This is just what I've been up to out on the message board. That these links are left of center is purely an accident. I just tried putting the links here and couldn't, sorry!

search NPR: 5 myths water, and planetgreen water drink day, or go to the message board. . .if you've read this far, THANKS!

P.S. And now I can't stop thinking about the parallels with religion. I'm the water-hater evangelist, though I didn't join the Water Haters team when I found it. Have to choose my issues. I didn't want to blog about this, just wanted to share here. As usual, it took way more space and time than it should have. "Be well" (Prom)

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