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7/21/09 1:07 A

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"If I wanted to feel guilty about my weight I can go walk around without a shirt on "
This totally cracked me up. Yup... there is always somebody out there to give us crap if we think we need it... HA!
As has been said- best thing is when we stop giving ourselves crap.
Oh, yeah.

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7/20/09 3:57 P

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Yeah sometimes the ads and the articles get to me thanks to the food porn being prominent in them. I can understand the problem there. The same reason I do not have a bag of M&M's on the table or in front of me right now is that it would cause unwanted/unwarranted cravings. I still think the WW group likes to torture people a little too much. Just my 2 cents from too many zealots I met from their side of this over the last several decades. Dont get me wrong, WW has done wonders for many, blah blah blah ... But I dont care for most of their "converted" spokespeople. If I wanted to feel guilty about my weight I can go walk around without a shirt on at a University somewhere and get the same sort of feedback.



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7/20/09 11:53 A

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(3 posts in a row, I count, by me--)

SP needs its sponsors, but what about a TEAM with a corporate sponsor? It's Outsmarting Temptations, with 6000 members, sponsored by Dreyer's, makers of Skinny Cow. I wonder if that only means, their ad is always on the team page - -

Weight Watchers' website had so many pictures of things like brownies, I quit going there.

The posts have strayed from fruit, walnuts, and yogurt, but still fit in this forum, I think (stop eating crap).

On WW, the thread I was following was called "Boomers Who Hate Delayed Gratification," but it died out because most of the members "went over to Sparkpeople." (Still on topic: Stop Eating Crap)

Edited by: SWIFTSEATURTLE at: 7/20/2009 (11:59)
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7/20/09 8:21 A

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emoticon Cassie, I just got the notification of your post, that is entered before mine below. I love your description of the process of using meditation to look at your cravings.

Also, to be able not to judge yourself for judging--that's the beauty of knowing something about meditation.

Edited by: SWIFTSEATURTLE at: 7/20/2009 (08:27)
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7/20/09 8:08 A

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I've been told the tracking is the most-used feature on this site, and the most valuable, and I can believe it.

Reading on Coach Dean's team, he did mention the OCD problem--that for some people, it could become - well, not so productive.

Thanks for the testimonials!

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7/20/09 7:59 A

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Nutrition Tracking is my focus. It has been the best tool....it works for me. I try to track everything. I can get OCD about it, but I try to let go of the thought that it is has to be "perfect." When I get obsessive about tracking that is another form of compulsive eating. And if I do my nutrition compulsively it will lead to binge. Either extreme of compulsion about eating is part of my problem with food.

When I eat out and don't know exactly the portion or the ingredients I just do the best I can....there are so many things people download and share so I can usually get a pretty good estimate of my intake.

I really take Boo's advice here of just being honest with myself in a positive way. And even when I go over its never been more than 2500 calories...and that usually is because I have been drinking. I do feel the guilt or negative self talk arise....but than I just start back on the next day making choices that promote weight loss and health.

There is someone here, Emilysexton that is doing a photo tracking of the foods she eats in a blog. It is awesome to see how delicious and nutritious 1500ish calories a day can be. I too find that I eat great food that really satisfies me for 1500-1600 balanced cals a day. IN the past I would eat 1000's of empty calories that just kept me craving more emptiness. Now I understand that my body was trying to nourish itself (as per Mare.)

Mare, I also love your referral to meditation. Using the spark tool of tracking is so much about stayig aware. I have been doing a sitting practice for 20 minutes each day this summer. I just sit breath and when I find myself thinking look at the thought with curiosity and then bring myself back to my breath. I do this with my cravings when they arise. I see myself doing it, look at it, feel it and own it and then it usually passes. IN the past when I was bearing down on my cravings and aggressively fighting them they would win. This non judgemental about myself and the approach is really amazing to me. Nobody is more shocked than me that it is working. And I still have thoughts that it is all going to fall apart and I am going to gain all this weight back and more. But, I just try to stay with that and look at it with curiosity.

Another thing that I am working on is how now that I am on this track, is that I find myself judging people who are eating unhealthily and are very overweight. I almost feel superior to them (can't believe I am admitting this!) But, I think that it is the practice of meditation that allows me to become mindful of the traffic of thoughts passing through my mind. So again, I try not to judge myself for doing this and I release my judgement of others.

What was the name of this thread...fruit, nuts and yogurt?! I love where our conversations go! emoticon

Edited by: CASSIES at: 7/20/2009 (08:18)

�The more we witness our emotional reactions and understand how they work, the easier it is to refrain.� ― Pema Ch�dr�n



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7/20/09 12:48 A

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Tracking can be an OCD nightmare. I'll agree there with your reservations. However, tracking is one of the most useful things to help control your intake. Good or bad, I put in everything. :) And I have it shared out even. Like I really care what people see me eat. Now I'm sure if I had a real eating disorder where I ate in the bathroom or something I might not be able to handle that ... That's kinda gross now that I really think about it. Ewwwwww.


Just worried about the time to spend doing it or what though in your reservations? I know I have some issues with it needing to match what the lovely label says 100% or I cant seem to add it in without freaking out a little. But on a busier day I just click and go.





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7/20/09 12:29 A

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SWIFTURTLE, yeah, just start. Just start any part of it. As you are. Doesn't have to be 'perfect' or 'right', but tracking will def help you to see some patterns you haven't seen before. A lot of this Spark world is like meditation, like focus, like learning to stay aware.
And... the cool thing is, that as you do it, you'll get 'shortcuts' developed, and it won't take that long to do, and you'll find it just a part of your day. Tracking doesn't take that long once you have your main recipes or meals put in as saved groups. Like, if you always make marinara sauce a special way, you can enter the recipe in your own grouping, then add the pasta, and if you ALWAYS have a salad, or bread, or Parmesan cheese or whatever, you can put all that in one 'group' and do a single click to enter.
Really, Goes fast after a while.

Mare-

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It's not a DIE-et- it's a LIVE-it!

I am a kind of pranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy. - JD Salinger



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7/19/09 7:01 P

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I just discovered something. If you look at someone's shared food tracker, then click on "browse other shared food and fitness trackers," you can see a whole lot of very diverse eating habits.

It's perfectionism keeping me from even starting food tracking, instead of entering what I eat now, and letting the SP site tell me what changes to make.

Today there's Wendy's, McDonald's, and a Dairy Queen Blizzard!

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7/19/09 3:54 P

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It is engineered food. Why so much sugar? Because their taster panel showed more cravings for highly sugared foods than plainer ones. Etc. etc. etc.

That's how it works. You do have to realize that 1/2 of marketing is getting you to crave something. And not all marketing is on the TV or billboards. It's all in your head in the long run. What's the best way to get you to crave something? Spike your serotonin levels. Best way to do that? Trigger it with chemicals. Engineered or otherwise those chemical reactions are what they live off of. And why they hope **you** want to live off of. :)

I'm not being critical, but I have for several decades wondered why people seem so shocked when they finally start seeing fast food as mere profit and less about being food. Is it just more comfortable for us to tell ourselves those "little lies" about large corporations and their intentions? (I really wish people would stop forgiving them and not just the food peddlers.)

Righto happy thoughts though: Still a good "deal" for high calorie survival food should you need it. And it will make you "high." :)



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7/18/09 6:51 P

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So, the only reason left for ever going into McDonald's, is to use the restroom, in an emergency.
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Edited by: SWIFTSEATURTLE at: 7/18/2009 (21:09)
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7/18/09 3:39 P

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the candied walnuts don't bother me. The yogurt though....bleh! I even like sweetened yogurt, tho not as much as plain greek yogurt, but McDonalds uses a 2 parts sugar to 1 part yogurt ratio, I think.

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7/18/09 9:24 A

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Oh, yeah, candied walnuts... pretty much pure sugar.

:(

But certainly not the worst choice to make at McD's...

Also, anything larger than the basic cheeseburger there makes me sick too. Same for Taco Bell. Not the best grade beef that giant corporations can buy...Bleh!

-Lala

Edited by: DALAI_LALA at: 7/18/2009 (09:25)
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7/17/09 4:47 P

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That's almost as much sugar as Captain Crunch!
Wozers.


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7/17/09 4:44 P

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McD's has always given me the runs--that's any McD's, anywhere. It makes it easier to stay away.

And the sugar dissuades me from the new snack. I'm weaning off this sugar "food group" gradually.

Thanks, Mare.

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7/17/09 4:29 P

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Snack Size Fruit & Walnut Salad
1 pkg (163 g) cals- 210 cals from fat 70 saturated fat 1.5 sodium 60 sugar 25 protein 4
nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutritionexc
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Not too bad for a quickie pull through- but why so much sugar?

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I am a kind of pranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy. - JD Salinger



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7/17/09 4:27 P

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What happens after you eat it that is such a negative consequence that it keeps you from going back? Apparently the negative consequence for me (weight gain) isn't strong enough to keep me away. And the positive consequence (mmmmmmm!) is so very, very strong.

"Do What You Love; the Money Will Follow." (That's the title of a book I love -- and I'm working on getting the gumption to believe it!)


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7/17/09 4:16 P

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It's what happens after I eat it that keeps me from going back. I don't even like the burger. It's the sauce.

For burgers, Allan took me to "Five Guys," because that's where his buddies Barry and Joe go (you know who I mean?). That was a good burger.

I shouldn't change the theme of this forum. I can STOP eating this crap because I'm not much of a burger person, anyway. Not turkey burgers, either, since I had one that almost made me sick.

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7/17/09 3:23 P

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Every TWO years you cave and have a Big Mac? I feel virtuous if I only cave once every two MONTHS.

"Do What You Love; the Money Will Follow." (That's the title of a book I love -- and I'm working on getting the gumption to believe it!)


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7/17/09 1:22 P

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$2 at McDonalds. This is always the LAST fast food restaurant I want to go into, but I'll go back for this. I knew I liked apple dippers, but they're too yummy, with the caramel. So I got the fruit and walnut salad. The walnuts have some kind of sweet glaze. It's not guilt-free.

About once every two years, I have a Big Mac. My son gave me "Super Size Me" as a gift. He once told me "You have a Big Mac, right behind you!" (age 10).

So, don't take this as a plug for McD's! Tell me, anyone, of the garbage ingredients that lurk in their yogurt. . .It's tempting me.

And, speaking of new places to avoid, a Berry Cool opened a block from my house. Make-your-own frozen yogurt, with 1000 different toppings, .39/oz.

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