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4/7/14 5:42 P

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Thanks, Birgit. I will try some peanut butter or something like that.



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4/7/14 4:59 P

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Darlene,
It is hard to know what's going on without knowing exactly what you ate. I find that the most common reasons for me to feel hungry are lack of drinking, too little fat and having eaten some sugar, even at levels that did not raise my blood sugar much at all.
Today is a perferct example: I did not drink anything but decaf in the morning, I had some yogurt with blueberries (moderate amounts) and after I had dinner out at a Chinese restaurant last night where I ate no rice, just veggies and meat and mushrooms, the small amounts of starches and sugars plus the wheat in the soy sauce still caused a blood sugar of 136 almost 24 hours later after the yogurt and berries and food cravings for fruit. The same amount of berries and fruit only raised my blood sugar to about 112 two days earlier. So it seems that carb intake can have a cumulative effect which I'm just learning to understand. So what I do is try to move some more today, but also stay with high-fat/protein items for the rest of the day, including some green veggies, but no more fruit. I do NOT limit calories. Going over on calories can lead to a little weight can but it is far more important that I get over any cravings for sweet foods.
Concerning snacks I like to eat spoonfuls of nut butters like almond butter as a snack, having one right now. Yum!
I hope this will help. If not, please report back.
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4/7/14 4:02 P

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I have been keeping to the lower carbs most all the time (did have something a week ago I shouldn't have, but haven't kept that up). I have been doing good but the last couple of days I have been hungry all day. I have probably had less than 50-55 grams carbs the past several days. Can that mean that I shouldn't go below the 50 grams? I even had my omelet this morning and was still hungry after eating it. I am afraid that if I keep being hungry I am going to suddenly binge on something and then lose all control. That will keep me out of control for a long time because I have a terrible time getting control again.

Any ideas? I cannot eat anything hard like the raw veggies and raw apples (unless those are a little over-ripe) because I cannot chew them, so snacking is really a hard thing for me.



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3/20/14 2:46 P

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I agree with your doctor, don't worry too much about the calories for now (unless you are binge eating far past satiety or starving yourself they are likely not the main problem). If this carb level works for you great. I wish I could go that high. emoticon
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3/20/14 1:58 P

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So far, until this week, I have been losing with the 50-75 grams. I don't know if that will continue to work or not. I will see with cutting the wheat again.

I was looking at some of the recipes and was really surprised at the calories in them. Bread for nearly 200 per slice. The wheat free tortilla, though much smaller than the bread and with less almond flour/no garbanzo, mainly flax had over 200 per tortilla. Yikes. Of course, my doctor told me not to worry about the calories at this point, to just keep doing what I have been with the carbs at 50-75 and cutting down/out the wheat. But my calories were lower than what SP recommends, so I don't know how much that has affected the weight.



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3/20/14 12:51 P

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The key seems to be for me whether I'm low enough with the carbs to be in nutritional ketosis, the fat-burning state where your body starts to prefer fat as a fuel source over carbs and where you don't have any food cravings. For me that is around 40 grams of carbs/day.

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3/20/14 11:59 A

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James, the tortillas I have been getting are 90 calories and 15 g carbs. If I only eat one in a day and everything else is mainly protein/fat, then I am not eating that much more carbs in the day. I was tracking them, which is how I came up with the 50-75 grams most of the time. Yes, I might go over a little some days, but mostly stayed at that amount. When I wasn't keeping them that low and ate some with most meals I usually was only around 105 anyway because I didn't eat a lot at each meal. That was using the tracker, too.



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3/20/14 11:19 A

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FANCYQTR,

are you sure you're eating that few carbs? When I buckle down I track everything I eat and drink. Each item is listed by weight, then calories, grams of carbs, fat and protein. If I don't no the nutrition of something I google it. Some things, like bananas don't have a label.

I googled "nutrition soft tortilla". If I ate one (ONE) of those:

Soft tortilla shell (47 grams)
Calories (120)
Net carbs (17 g)
Fat (3 g)
Protein (3 g)

My daily target is 30 grams, and on some days I might stretch that to 50. So it looks like tortillas are not on my shopping/eating list. I also have a personal rule not to buy things that are more than 5% net carbs by weight. Unsweetened peanut butter is one of my few exceptions. But soft tortillas are (17/47)*100 %, or 36%. They never make it in the house.

My experience is that exercise is good for your health, but doesn't burn too many extra calories. Low carb, around 30 to 50 grams a day really unlocks the body fat by not having much insulin response. After low carb it is a matter of calories.

James


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I keep my Flax meal in the frig and it keeps a very long time.
Can't help with the rest.

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3/20/14 12:19 A

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I would skip the oats and the garbanzo bean flour just because of the carbs in them. I often mix 3/4 nut flour with 1/4 coconut flour and I think I remember that works for flaxseed meal and coconut flour the same way. Flaxseed meal is far less expensive of course, just does not keep very long. I keep all my nuts and seeds in the fridge and usually just grind them right before use in my cheapo food processor. Flax is best ground in a coffee mill, though.
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3/20/14 12:03 A

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Well, maybe I should keep the last tortilla until Friday morning since I have to go back for the labs then. But it is true that I pretty much know now that wheat is a problem. I can do without the grains, I guess, but I do like burritos or enchiladas and I can do them fairly low carb. I do have the recipe in the Wheat Belly Cookbook that I can try the tortilla and bread. Hopefully that will keep me from gaining all the weight back again. Those two I have the flours for -- flax, almond and coconut (at least I think coconut). Most of the recipes call for the garbanzo bean flour, though. I think it will still be trial and error. The book says can't use oats, but I think it is because of wheat in the same area they process the oats. Not sure, though.

I know someone made brownies with quinoa (however that is spelled). They were actually pretty good.



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3/19/14 11:23 P

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The difficult thing is that the celiac test can only be done while you are eating gluten but you may not want to eat it just so you can be tested. Most people who have non-celiac gluten-intolerance do not test positive. The best way to tell for sure is an elimination diet. If you were off wheat for a while and then ate some you pretty much have your answer already.
You may very well be intolerant of other gluten-grains as well (barley and rye). Eating low-carb I see no benefit in eating any kinds of grains. All the vitamins and minerals I can get from green leafy vegetables.
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3/19/14 11:05 P

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I think that maybe it has to do with wheat. I have had IBS for a long time and at my doctor appointment today we were talking about it. I had gone to a GI specialist and had the scopes and he told me that nothing showed up at all. But my doctor today went back to the results that they wrote up and it said to verify the results with a blood test for celiac, which the guy never did. Most of the time I have not been eating anything wheat while I've been keeping the carbs lower and this week I have had some tortillas. Haven't got the carbs real high, still, but the weight has gone up when I have been eating the tortillas. I have been looking at the recipes to make things without wheat and gotten a few of the flours, but haven't gotten all the way there yet. Trying to find out what I can use in place of garbanzo bean flour that is called for in many recipes. A lot seem to use rice flour, which is higher in carbs.



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It may be the type of carbs you are eating. I have problems like yours if I eat pasta even though my total carbs are lower than the recommended amount. My sister cannot eat white rice because she gets the same result, although pasta does not seem to affect her. You might also schedule a visit with a dietician or your health enhancement person. They can have your DR schedule tests to look at both your thyroid and your liver.

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There are several possibilities. Some people benefit from lowering the carbs even a little bit more, around 20-40 grams. This works for me. Other people need to make sure their thyroid levels are normal because hypothyroidism can lower energy levels and calorie burn. It is also possible that cortisol levels are off from too much stress or that other hormones are out of whack from poor sleep habits, too much light at night etc.
I would lower the carbs a little more first and maybe go strictly with Atkins Induction for 2 weeks and only then increase carbs about 5 grams/week at most.
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3/19/14 12:51 P

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For the last couple of months I have been eating somehat lower carbs than usual (50-75 grams). I know it has lowered my calories, too, so they are often lower than the recommended. My problem is that I lost about 14 pounds, but as soon as I get below 206 I start gaining it back. It has been doing this ever since I got on SP in 2008. How do I stop that from happening. I have even been doing yard work so getting more exercise. Nothing seems to work for me. I am also trying to lower my A1c, not just lose weight.



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