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There is arrowroot and Arrowroot cornstarch. True arrowroot is not made from corn.

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Holly, perhaps you could start a new thread with your question?

It's gets confusing when there are too many topics on one thread (and it's sort of distrespectful to the OP)....

Also, when you repost, can you clarify the question... I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.

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Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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ok question.....I own a bakery with an added catering license. yeah, i'm a professional chef and caterer. It always is hard for me to accept when someone comes in and says..i need dairy free, but its ok to use butter, cream, or cheese. I have looked it up, and the info i can find says its an enzyme thing, but knowing how food sensitivities can really be a problem i find ways to NOT use those things. (i never want to be responsible for someone being ill...) so i do a LOT of food and nutrition research.
So the question...do you know why its ok for someone with dairy problems to not have butter or cheese? my daughter in law is lactose intolerant, and those things bother her terribly. Just curious...

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I think you're doing great, and off to a really good start. Trust your instincts... they're good!

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Yep we all have to do what works for them. I'm still working out the ratios that my body likes to burn fat. I'm almost there. I just want to fine tune it to burn it a little better.

I haven't tried ice cream yet as I have digestive issues with milk/cream that I don't seem to have with cheese. I might try it to see if I have any issues, but would keep it to a little amount.



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Thank you! I do some dairy cheese mainly. I'll try out some more. I like to experiment so having recipes at my disposal to adjust to my tastes are awesome

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like i said you do what works. me i prefer a 2 carb biscuit occasionally over 7 carbs of carrots..both are a handful.
a cup = 16 tablespoons (4 in a quarter cup) generally when you thicken you use several tablespoons so its very high in carbs..but again...whatever works for you.

as for fat bombs....have you tried ice cream? take half a cup of heavy cream...a bit of vanilla, and sweetener to taste. (i use swerve). seal it in a small ziplock. put a couple cups of ice in a larger ziplock, and about half a cup of salt..place the (well sealed!!) bag of cream in and start shaking. takes 5 or 10 mins but it makes great soft serve!!! be sure to rinse the cream bag before you open it...you can do it without the sweetener, too, if you want.

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Now, back to FAT BOMBS! Jojo, your recipe sounds really good.

Do you use dairy (I don't when in weight loss mode)? My Mr. keeps to a higher carb level (not as insulin resistant as I am), and he really likes 1/2 cup cream blended with a 1/4 cup frozen berries and a splash of vanilla. Comes out like ice cream.

Another of his favourites is Cheesecake Fluff... equal parts cream cheese, and sour cream, beaten together until fluffy, sweetened to taste. Fast cheesecake in a bowl. He sprinkles it with nuts or a few berries... sometimes he beats in some cocoa powder to taste.

I like 1 tbsp. of coconut oil (or pork belly fat, or chicken fat or butter) sprinkled with Chipotle pepper and salt. I just let it melt in my mouth for a spicy bite. You could do the same thing with cacao butter, Jojo. Have you tried unscented coconut oil? It has virtually no taste, and as a medium chain triglyceride, it has the added benefit of not being able to be stored by the body... it has to be converted to ketones and burned.

I also make a killer Avocado Chocolate Mocha Mousse that the whole family loves... I make a big bowl and eat it in small servings... it's really satisfying. Ignore the nutritional information, or divide by 6 servings... I have no idea why the servings registered as they did. It's much higher in fat than both carbs and protein... and even lower in carbs if you use Swerve instead of honey.

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The key to fat bombs is finding a fat you really like, and then figuring out different ways to flavor it, LOL! Incidentally, you could substitute butter or cocoa butter in any recipe that uses coconut oil.


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Edited by: _RAMONA at: 1/25/2017 (21:31)

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Jojo, you're right... arrowroot is used as a thickener and a flour... so, rarely would anyone on a keto diet use a cup of it at a time. It is important to consider usage.

...and while you don't usually use carrots in a fat bomb (LOL!), I just have to say that the that list Cynthia offered does list carrots as an acceptable low-carb vegetable... my sources put carrots at 7 grams carb for 100 grams of carrot... approximately a handful of baby carrots... which really isn't a lot when you consider most people eating keto only eat 2 meals a day. At an average of 20 grams carb per day, that's pretty reasonable. Anyone who restricts carbs even further (me), probably wouldn't eat carrots often. If I decide to eat carrots/squash/sweet potato (and I occasionally do), the rest of my day would be zero carb. Nothing is going to keep you out of ketosis if you're consciously managing your carbs over the course of the day. It is really about how you do want to spend your carb allowance.... and I'd eat a carrot LONG before I'd ever eat carbquick, LOL.

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Edited by: _RAMONA at: 1/25/2017 (21:32)

Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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Isn't arrowroot used as a thickener in very small amounts in sauces and such? Forgive me as I haven't used it and the only thing I used cornstarch for in the past was the thicken a sauce which required like a teaspoon to a tablespoon in an entire recipe that serves at least 4. I just think when looking at things and carbs you also have to look at their use and the amounts used.

While the information tubers and starchy vegetable is great, they are rarely used in fat bombs, and I really do need some help upping my fat intake.

Thank you in advance


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ok we are talking apples and oranges here. yes arrowroot and cornstarch are from different plants, but interchangable, and both are FULL of carbs. 116 grams of carb in one cup of arrowroot powder. 4 times the daily max for keto.
Keto= less than 30 grams carbs. I keep under 20...most days under 10. There are plenty of food lists out there, and i've seen NONE with carrots on them. other things are debateable.. but the carrots are def not on them.
that said, I've always been a proponent of doing what works for you..and if carrots work have them. one medium carrot has 6 grams of carbs. ONE carrot...no way am i spending my carb allowance on that!!
you can check out Ketovangelist.com if you give them your email address they will send you food lists that are acceptable. I find them stricter than what i do (i use carbquick, splenda occasionaly, and sometimes a low carb bar as a meal replacement..no more than 3 net carbs per bar..mostly 2)
I am no expert...but i read...a LOT...and glean what i can from it. I'd just hate to see someone throw themselves out of ketosis by eating too much protein, or having carrots thinking they are low carb.
i use the 70% fat, 25% protein, 5% carb rule that most of the sites follow. James,,,our resident expert and a team leader on this team, goes with a formula for each food. He even adds some raspberries and strawberries...i dont have ANY fruit,,its one of my downfalls...and i would have a CUP of raspberries or strawberries, and then crave blueberries which are way too high. i cant do 4 or 5 raspberries..and i know it. others can...
Its a maze for me...and i just keep reading and studying...and hope in the long run it all pays off!!

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So I decided to experiment myself....you can tweak it to fit your taste buds with sweetener, but I just didn't like any of them so unsweetened for me.

3 oz Organic cocoa butter (bought from amazon)
2 tbsp of butter
1 tbsp vanilla
1/2 c whole almonds(you can leave out if you don't do nuts)
1/4 cup organic raw unsweetened cocoa powder

melt butters together add vanilla carefully as it bubble in the heat
then add cocoa powder stir until mixed
I used silicon cup cake molds
put equal amounts of the almonds in 8 molds poured equal amount of cocoa mixture froze until hard

they tasted pretty good even without any sweetener.

has anyone else have any concoctions they like?

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Thanks for the resource, Cynthia, and I really appreciate the effort to make the link clickable (I find simple cut and paste links really frustrating when there is a feature to fix that, LOL)... just so you (and anyone else) know, the SparkPeople 'add a link' feature doesn't support https urls. Your link currently won't work as is.

For URLs with an 'https' prefix, use the 'add a link' feature FIRST and THEN (once the link shows up in the comment box) manually remove ONLY the 's' from the https prefix in the converted link and then click 'post message'. Then the link works as it should.

See the difference in how the corrected/working link looks:
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I stay away from carrots but only in large amounts. For example... I don't do recipes like Furhman's soup recipes that use carrot juice as it's base. I will put a few in my veggie soup or slaws. Below is a link that rates veggies on their carb counts. Carrots are on the sweet side.

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I also keep my carrots I grow in ground over the winter with a few straw bales over them so that all I have to do is tip the bales over and harvest my carrots when I want them.

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Arrowroot isn't from corn... cornstarch is from corn! LOL Arrowroot is from a tropical root. It is a starch that thickens. Corn has so many issues with the pesticides,mold and chemicals used in various processes... we try to stay away from it most of the time.
It is true that veggies grown above ground tend to be lower in carbs... If you go to a site that shows carbs of all veggies, you can compare them. None are really BAD...some are just higher in carbs. Depending on your body's threshhold, you can eat more or less than someone else just based on your genes. On this site you mentioned, what carb level do they suggest?

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ok i am on a ketovangelist site. and i have studied and studied...and it says any non starchy vegetable ABOVE GOUND. so i was trold no carrots. Arrowroot is corn starch, and corn is a no. anyhow..from what i've been told. others say whatever fits your macros. Then theres some that say count ALL carbs, others that say NET carbs is fine.
very confusing...

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I'm not sure why carrots and arrowroot would be excluded? Keto is about balancing your percentages. Carrots aren't any higher than green beans or broccoli really. It just needs to be balanced for the day. It has more to do with the AMOUNT you eat. If you decide to eat squash or sweet potatoes - in small amounts- it means you won't be eating other higher carbs along with them.

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but..carrots and arrowroot arent allowed on keto, right? i'm confused...
my favorite fat bomb is cream cheese fudge..but if you dont do chocolate or swerve, you are kinda out of luck!!!

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We keep our carrots in the ground covered w/ 3ft of leaves all winter and dig as needed. So nice to have fresh, organic carrots in the winter!

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There's a mexican store not far from here that sells pork rinds.... I will check them out. Even though I live in a town of a little over 4,000...it is right next to a city of 80,000. I shouldn't have a problem with the Walmart there. I grow a lot of my produce myself. Even in cold Iowan winters, a lot can be grown.

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I think the larger Walmarts have it. I buy a lot of my stuff at Amazon now. It's easy to compare prices and get a good deal. I buy a box of 4 pkgs at once. Same with arrowroot for thickening, I buy it online. In fact, I just bought organic oregano, basil, peppercorns... well, as you see... I buy a lot online. We live in a city of 5,500 people and have a walmart. The next largest city is 60,000 people and theirs is larger, plus some other stores and Aldi's... which I do get some decent veggies from when I'm there. The next largest city is almost an hour away. That store has lots of cheap veggies, natural foods, etc... but we don't get there real often. I can't justify the trip unless I'm headed up there for something else... otherwise we go about 3 times a year. Costco and Sam's are up there... but with only 2 mouths to feed, that just doesn't make sense with the distance to travel. Amazon is my best bet!

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Funny Deb. I have a problem with pork rinds. My DH for some reason has an aversion to them and won't even hear of me buying them. I crumbled them up and used them for breading and he raved about the chicken fried steak I made with them, but threw a fit when I told him that it was pork rinds. I'll have to stock them when I am not with him and hide them... but isn't that just sad.

Our local store doesn't carry coconut that isn't sweetened. I will have to check our local Walmart and see if I can find some. I am going to try making some fat bombs like you suggest.

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Our problem is we don't do dairy, chocolate or sweeteners here. Hard to have much variation there! My coconut oil doesn't taste like coconut. We use unrefined, organic. I hear the refined has even less taste. All I taste is fat. I make my fat bombs with coconut oil, coconut and flax meal. We have started putting way more butter on our veggies to increase the count. Oh, and pork rinds!!! What a surprising treat! Aldi's has them for 99 cents a bag! And they're good.... we only eat the plain ones. It does have protein, so you can't go "hog wild"! Get it... pork rinds!!

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LOL! I hear you on the avocados... thank goodness for COSTCO. We go through 3 a day in this house!

...and try the Swerve... maybe just taste a bit on your finger before adding it to anything. For me the trick is to add just enough to taste a hint of sweet. Otherwise it's overpowering, too.

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Hi!. Thank you. I tried monk fruit and then threw out whatever I put it in. The natural 0 cal sweeteners are just as bad as the artificial ones. I think I picked up some swerve but was afraid after my monk fruit experiment to try it.

I found pork rinds at a natural store that have no bad stuff in them, and they are really tasty!

I'm going to keep on trying. I can only eat so many avocados before I go broke :-)


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Hey there, Jojo! Glad to see you're still around!

I personally dislike artificial sweeteners, too; but I have found that Swerve brand sweeteners (erythritol) is quite good - no after taste, no cooling effect, and easy to use (1:1 sugar replacement... though I prefer less... about 3/4 the erythritol to replace the sugar in anything). It's nice to have an option... as I type I have a cheesecake in the oven coming to only 3 g carbs per slice.

Check these out... there are some good options, without coconut or artificial sweeteners.



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P.S. My favourite snack is pork rinds and sour cream or mayo (seasoned to taste... it's like chips and dip), or dry pepperoni slices and mashed avocado... I also like BPB (Bullet Proof BEVERAGE... I use any hot beverage - coffee, tea, broth - and add butter, coconut oil and egg yolks, instead of cream).





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Hi,

I have trouble hitting the % as it seems when I add fat I either have carbs or protein.. I am intrigued by the fat bomb idea as a snack, but I really do not like the taste of coconut and any of the 0 cal sweeteners just are off to me so I'd rather avoid them.. Anyone have any ideas of a quick high fat low protein, low carb snack.

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