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Thanks Mzz. That is the way I take supplements.

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Keep taking your calcium and D3 combo at night. You may want to add magnesium to that, too.

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Minerals... magnesium, calcium, iron, boron, etc and multivitamins should not be taken with 4 hours of thyroid meds to be in the safe side. If you take yoyr thyroid meds in the morning, Lunch is good for multivitamins, bedtime is best for calcium and magnesium in particular as it tends to relax one.

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I always wondered if calcium foods should not be consumed with Armour since my endo advised me not to take calcium for two hours after thyroid medication. Tonight, I discovered the answer written by a highly valued medical professional I have been following for years.

Armour Thyroid should be taken first thing in the morning, upon arising. If milk or cream (with coffee) is desired, these calcium-containing foods should be separated 2 hours away from the thyroid medicine or the calcium will deactivate the thyroid medicine. I personally think that a little selenium should be taken along with this medication as it improves thyroid hormone activation (T4 to T3) and transport of biologically active T3 straight into cells. Selenium improves thyroid hormone utilization and strong antioxidant.

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Yes.

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Do you read the reports?

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I receive test reports, and email notices.

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K2 isn't in multi vitamin. It is a separate supplement. A person that take blood thinner or blood disorder should only take K2 under doctor's supervision.

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Maybe you need to enhance your UCLA Health page to allow for test reports. I get an email notice each time something is reported or a doctor sends a message or I have an appointment.

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Thanks. I take my cal/mag and D3 at night. Why in the morning? I already get cal/mag in my Rainbow multi. I need to check whether I am already getting k2.


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I usually have mammo every year or two since I had lumps removed in my 20s. My GP ordered this test and Little Co sent me the results. My dentist only xrays tooth when there is a problem. I had three xrays last year, which is unusual for me. I usually don't require dental work yearly.

I had blood tests at endo's office today and noticed Dr. Han is in the same office.

I told the receptionist I only had three days of medication left and I needed a refill. She suggested I ask nurse for samples since I see doctor next week. Nurse said they don't have samples. Yet, my doctor has offered to give me samples in the past. I told receptionist this. She said, "Well, doctor is not in office." So, I am stuck taking Amour that I have in house until I see doctor.

I received an email from UCLA today and noticed their website changed. I looked at visits, etc and nothing about test results I can not get.

Dr. Cheung checks my calcium, D, etc levels at least twice yearly. Ask Dr. Han to do the same.

My D level was 20 when first tested it. My calcium level was very good. I don't consume milk products, but eat lots of veggies that contain calcium. I had beginning osteo when my D level was 20. Endo suggested taking D3 and lifting weights. My bone density was the same as a 20 year old within a year of taking D3 and lifting weights. It hasn't changed and probably the reason I didn't break anything when I fell.

I have been a paying member of the YMCA for 13 years. I joined 24 Hour Fitness via silver sneakers two years ago, but disliked it. So, I joined LA Fitness this year. I like the Y better, but LA Fitness pool will do when the Y is closed.

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Hi Tap,

I saw how you have osteopenia.
You may want to consider adding these less well known supplements to your diet.
I had bone loss, but at my last Dexa test, my bones were evaluated as those of a healthy young woman, the highest rating you can get. I am 62.

I eat plain yogurt at night and take a calcium with magnesium and D3 in the morning. Everyone knows about those.

But what some people don't know, its the importance of soluble silica (Biosil is a good brand.. I like the drops and its great for your skin, too), Boron and vitamin K2.

Vitamin K2 is not the type you get from leafy greens. Its a product of fermentation, found in aged cheeses and natto. I get mine in the form of an oil, (Thorne brand, $65 for a bottle which must be refrigerated) I take one drop a day either with the yogurt at nite or the calcium,magnesium, D3, boron in the morning.

Here's something about boron:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
7889887


About K2 ( which is used in Japan as an osteopenia remedy ):
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
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Always do your own research!

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I go to Little Company of Mary for mammograms, too. I am spacing them out, once every two-three years, due to concerns about radiation. When I broke my hip three years ago, I had lots of x-rays. At the same time, I was getting a tooth implant (never finished the last step but plan to), and that required several CT head scans. Then there are the once/five years dental x-rays. I get the report on the mammograms either from my ob/gyn or the lab; I'd have to look at past reports to see which one. I will sign up for Silver Sneakers in January.

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I am glad you found good gyn. Mine died and I haven't seen the doctor my GP recommended yet.

I have mammo at Little Co. They send me results quickly.

I can't get the test results I mentioned since doctors need to release them first.

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I feel for you. I remember an ob/gyn in the South Bay. I went to her for years. Then, following an annual exam, which included tests, a nurse in the office called and asked about the phone number for my pharmacy. I asked why and was told it was for a Fosamax prescription. I asked for numbers, knowinbg from the past that there are two sets of numbers. I was told I could not have them. I said I was not going to take Fosamax. Then I contacted Little Company of Mary hospital's lab, asked for the test results and was told I could pick them up, which I did. I found a new ob/gyn, which I like a lot; she is very open, caring. If you had the CT scan at UCLA, you should be able to get the results; I did.

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I have been with the endo for seven years. I am not crazy about the list of conditions I don't have remaining on the list.

My rheumy;s office is very efficient. Cardiologist office did several tests including CT Heart Scan the day I saw him. He said tests were normal when I phoned him a week later. Yet, the endo told a different story. I have been trying to get a copy of those tests for two years.

Pulmonary wouldn't give me copy of sleep study. He just said it warranted using cpap machine.

I am not use to not getting copies of tests. I have PPO and always obtain results from other facilities.

I like the doctors I see, but not the way two office run. Two offices do not accept patient calls. I have to phone the call center in LA and ask them to relay message to those doctors. One call center rep refused to help until I told her my condition, which is against the privacy act.

I had what my doctor called 'emergency' three times and couldn't reach the office. I emailed the doctor and was scolded for not phoning. Each office said they are too busy to take calls. Yet, when I show up for appointment, their employees are twiddling their thumbs.

I had to drive to one office after emergency dental surgery to get an answer to an email I sent four days before procedure. Then, the doc's receptionist said I never sent the email. Their on system indicated the email was delivered the day I sent it. Yet, no employee in the office bothered to give email to the doctor.

The RB office is the only office that accepts patient calls directly. I wish the other offices would do the same.



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We live in the same area. I am pleased that you have a working relationship with your endocrinologist. I am looking forward to the same with my doctor. This thyroid experience is like a roller-coaster ride.

I like the UCLA messaging/reporting system, although the list of conditions should not stay statitc and the same goes for the med/supplements. Otherwise, the ease in sending/receiving messages from my doctors is reassuring. I receive copies of all the reports of my visits and tests. You are correct - the special tests, like an MRI, are listed but more detail would be great; however, I did get the results of the CT Heart Scan online and the results with some details about them.

Maybe you need to enhance your online profile.

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Dr. Han was listed in LA and Santa Monica when I looked her up.

I go to UCLA in Torrance and Redondo Beach and have online access. However, online only shows blood work, appointments, message doctors. I can't review my visit, and x-ray, ekg, etc. results aren't posted. My rheumy said it is too complex to post anything but blood test results to the site.

My internist is not with UCLA. She ordered thyroid test for my yearly physical, but will not change any medication I receive from specialist since, according to her, they are the expert.

I see my endo every three months or sooner if there is a problem or med dose change.

I am happy you feel better taking 60 mg of Armour.

Online medical records are suppose to make life easier, but it hasn't. Doctors and hospitals outside the facility or group lack access to records and emergency can be dangerous since hospital has to guess at what conditions, meds, etc the patient takes.



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My Internist and Dr. Han are in the South Bay. I am in the online UCLA Health network where you can message your doctors, review your visits and test results. Are you?

Aha. Do not take Armour on the day of the test. Wow. That definitely could skew results. After all these years, I should have known that.

Dr. Han ordered Armour for me at the 60 mg dosage. I will see her in 3 months. I suspect my Internist's staff did not know this. I saw Dr. Han last December; we had a heated discussion about Armour vs Synthroid; finally, she relented, and actually I did quite well on the 60 mg, which I had been taking for years. Then I went to the Internist, who is my primary care doctor. I bet what happened when she saw the test results, after I had taken Armour that morning, made her think I needed a different dosage. Then the saga began. I am hoping for the best and feel better after your reply. Thanks.

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I am glad your appointment went well. What will Dr. Han eliminate if your T3 is high? Armour? Kelp? I hope the situation resolves and you feel good.

I go to South Bay UCLA. I suggest getting lab slip and going for test a week before seeing Dr, Han. I trained all my doctors to do this so we can discuss results when I see them a week later. I also recommend not taking Armour prior to testing like many thyroid specialists recommend. I tested both ways. Taking Armour resulted in my levels being high since T3 in medication is active for 3 or more hours and kept me hypo. Testing without taking medication until after tests has been more efficient for me.

Good luck~

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I am in the UCLA system, too. My Endocrinologist is Dr. Han. My meeting with her yesterday, October 25, went well. I told her the thyroid/kelp saga. She looked at test results taken by another doctor, for June and August. She said I should continue with 60 mg for three months, then get tested. She said my results, pre-kelp, were high, too [that could have been from taking twice the dosage as prescribed by the other doctor]. Dr. Han said we will take it slowly, that if, in three months, the T3 count is still too high, she may eliminate it. At home, I checked my multi to see if Iodine is in it, as it is in some multis, but it is not, which is a yay. I am feeling fine. I hope you get your situation resolved.


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Don't be embarrassed to tell endo you took kelp. I made mistake of not telling my doctor I was taking something and messed myself up.

My internist tried to regulate my thyroid and messed me up. Overdose and paralyzed. I had to fly to Univ of Pa to receive proper treatment. Internist told me she knows a little of everything, but not enough to treat thyroid, etc and refers me to specialists.

I go to UCLA. Those, like many doctors want to prescribe synthetic. My doctor is exception although she brings up switching me to synthetic when my levels swing.

I don't know why your pharmacy questioned order. I picked up higher dose of NT two weeks before ordering lower dose. Higher dose cause insomnia, constipation, etc. My endo told me to go back to taking lower dose if I had a problem. I see endo in two weeks.

Crossing my fingers your thyroid issues are resolved soon.



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I was on a two-week vacation when you posted. I am back for a while. Anyway ... I am back to drinking a full glass of water when taking the Armour, and waiting an hour before eating. I started taking kelp supplements along with the Armour - not a good idea as it turns out - and my last report showed the T3 way off, extremely high. And that doctor insisted I return to the Endocrinologist, who I am going to see tomorrow morning. I am going to be embarrassed relating my saga, especially since I went to my Internist who finally threw up her hands and wrote (can do this with the UCLA Health system) that I must see the Endocrinologist. The Internist didn't know what she was doing, doubled my dosage to 120, then a month later, lowered it to 90. I tried renewing the Armour the Endocrinologist had ordered back in March, and the online pharmacy questioned it, even though I had two more refills. UCLA doctors appear to be Synthroid--oriented but that med can cause loss of bone and I have osteopenia. NatureThroid gave me a diarrhea problem. That does not leave many options. The endocrinologist and I had argued about Armour; maybe she knew that the company had been sold to another company, which revised the formula and upped the price.

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MZZCHIEF,

Could eating dried seaweed be substituted for kelp?

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Did you start losing weight and feeling better after you began swallowing Armour?

Taking Armour sublingually caused me to be very hypo and doctor discontinuing this medication. Big mistake on my part. Took over a year to convince her to prescribe it again. I started swallowing Armour with water upon waking and waiting 60 minutes to eat. Better results. I take supplements with lunch. However, I developed terrible stomach aches, leg pain that lead to me using walker, insomnia, low renin that caused dehydration, etc. and switched to NatureThroid. Gaining weight on NT and going to see a different doctor.

I wonder if taking Kelp means you need to add T-3 medication ( cytomel, etc.) to Armour for it work better.

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Tap?
Are you taking your Armour with a full 8oz or more glass of water?

Other ideas... take before bed,break it up with your front teeth before washing it down with distilled water to which some vitamin c has been added, wait an hour rather than 30 minutes, delay vitamins, fiber, other medications 4 hours.

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A timely thread. I've been going through an episode regarding Armour. Since June, I was feeling very tired, weight still not what I want, and then a new test suggested a doubling of the Armour Thyroid med. I am aware the formula has changed and many are not happy about it. Still that did not work, so I purchased a GNC bottle of kelp. Next test resulted in a lowering of the Armour, I was losing weight slowly, I was no longer tired and sleep has been amazing most nights. Also, I decided to swallow the tablet rather than take it sublingual, and wait a longer while before having breakfast. Arsenic? Oh no! I wonder if it is in all kelp products.

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Good to hear you ladies found something that is working for you.
Please be aware that Kelp can be high in arsenic and has extremely high levels of iodine that can aggravate autoimmune thyroid disease/hashimotos.


www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/welcome/featur
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Wow. I sometimes wonder why I occasionally itch, but I think it is due to insufficient hydration.

After two days of taking kelp, I have slept well both nights and I seem to be feeling better. We'll see ...

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My bp is 105/67. Doc recommended eating salt, but I was raised on low sodium diet. Zinc causes me to itch all over. Only took a half tablet yesterday and couldn't stop scratching.

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Yes. Kelp is seaweed. It provides iodized salt. Need to watch intake of salt, at least I do, because of tendency for blood pressure to rise. I take zinc 3/week. How did you react to zinc et al?

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I am happy taking kelp lead to sleeping more. Is kelp the same as seaweed? I had reaction to selenium, zinc and DHEA.

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Thanks for the discussion. Yesterday, I purchased kelp capsules and DHEA capsules. I am going to try the kelp for a few days. The DHEA I will take 3 times a week. I took them in the early afternoon. Last night I slept 11 hours. Maybe coincidental or maybe not. Sigh.

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Sorry your appointment didn't go better. I am glad you have enough med and your hair looks good.

My meds weren't working. Doctor increased my dose and schedule blood test and appointment for 6-7 weeks. We had discussion on whether to prescribe 90 or 30 days of medication. I asked for 30 days since we do not know if I will require change in dose in 7 weeks. I have been feeling poorly on the increase. Yesterday, I took pediatric Claritin ( adult Claritin is too strong). I felt good, lost a pound and feel wonderful today. So, the way you feel could be weather.

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The appointment was so-so. I never had the blood test. The doctor said it takes 6 weeks for the med take hold and I had been on it only 4 weeks. Then there was a discussion about how much she had prescribed - 30 days vs 60 days - and when I got home I noticed I had only been given enough for 30 days. But I have the previous dosage (half) so I am doubling up on it. I cannot say I feel great. My hair looks good but I cannot shake the tired feeling. Maybe it is partially due to the weather.

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How did your appointment go? What med did doctor prescribe?

I have Humana drug coverage. They didn't pay for Armour before price was raised. My doctor had to complete a form to get them to approve/cover Armour. My doc wrote that I developed health problems on other medication (T-4) and need to take Armour. Ins approved taking it for a year. Then Humana pharmacist phoned me to try to get me to switch to T-4 medication. She claimed NDT was bad for the heart and I needed to get off it when I turned 65. I told pharmacist I developed five medical conditions on T-4 med and refused to switch since I went from taking 5 med to 1 med on Armour. She never called back and Humana continued covering Armour. They cover NT now. A 30 day supply was $9 today.



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Tapbelle - If you were taking Armour because you need the T3, the Tirosint will only provide T4. It is not an equal medication. Westhroid, Naturethroid or NPThyroid may work better for you. This site has more info about thyroid meds:

www.verywell.com/hypothyroid
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(This used to be About.com)

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Thanks for the feedback. I have been doing research this morning based on your feedback. As a result, I am so angry with the Armour people, changing the formula and charging me gobs of money for something that does not work. I am angry with Anthem Blue Cross for not explaining why they don't want to pay for Armour and have been giving lots of trouble for more than a year. I am not super angry, more disgusted and dismayed. Anyway, I am checking into the possibility of trying Westhroid, which is apparently like Armour but with only two fillers. Wow. This is the only medication I take and really don't know what I am going to do. And my appointment is in several hours. Sigh.

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Tirosint is a T4 medication and can be taken with coffee without an absorption problem. Makes sense that my endo would prescribe Cytomel (T-3) medication with it. I seem to have a problem absorbing NT, and corn in Armour, which is why my doctor recommended this medication.

Here is the article on Tirosint:

www.verywell.com/tirosint-hy
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The following article about drinking coffee with Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc. is interesting:


www.verywell.com/coffee-and-
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WP Thyroid is a medication like Armour minus corn, etc. It is manufactured by same company as NatureThroid. Many doctors change their patients to WP when NT doesn't work.

My doctor mentioned a new thyroid medication that patients are raving about. Tirosint. She said if increase in NT doesn't work, she would switch me to Tirosint and Cytomel. Patients I spoke to that take Tirosint said it is very good, but I didn't get a response as to whether they take Cytomel with this medication.

Sorry you had diarrhea on NT. I have constipation.

Good luck getting Armour.

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Thanks for the reply and the news that Armour was bought out and the replacement may not work. That explains a lot. Most of my levels are fine, although I am borderline diabetic; really need to cut back on the sugar intake. Anyway, I tried NaturThroid and ended up with diarrhea for months; when it stopped, I tried it again and the diarrhea set in again. I am going to see if I can get a prescription for Armour, then submit it to CanadaDrugs, where it is formulated as ERFA, which worked extremely well for me. Hopefully, that did not change. What is WP? I am seeing my doctor tomorrow.

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I have the same fight with my endo. My TSH should be close to zero as I am taking NPThyroid by Acella which also contains T3 (It is supposed to be comparable to Armour). I take 1 60 mg pill twice a day 5 days a week and 1 two days a week. He just increased me to 2 pills 6 days a week. I am waiting for the new RX. It costs me about $38 for 3 months thru my insurance.

When you take a pill containing T3, your TSH should be under 1.0 - I feel best at .5. I recently started taking Selenium and already take D3 and magnesium. I also take Niacin and a stress B. I am really starting to feel "normal" and better than I have in a long time. I think the Selenium is the hopefully final piece of the puzzle.

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Tapbelle

The company that made Armour was sold. New co changed the fillers ( inactive ingredients). Added corn, etc. Reformulated Armour doesn't work like the original. A lot of thyroid patients complained about this. Doctors found that increasing Armour dose didn't resolve problem.

My endo switched her patients to Nature Throid or WP. Both made by same company without corn, etc fillers that are in Armour. WP and NT is same as Armour, costs less and approved by ins companies. I pay around $10 for 30 day supply of 130 mg of NT from Sam's club pharmacy. You do not have to be a club member to use Costco or Sam's club pharmacy. Walmart is same as Sam's club.

I would ask your doctor to prescribe WP since some patient found they needed T-3 medication added to NP for it to work properly.

I heard the price of Armour increased significantly and ins companies are not covering.

How are your D and selenium and ferritin levels. These supplements need to be in normal range for med to work properly. Normal D -3 level is 50-80. Mine is 39 and I take 5,000 iu of D3 daily. Selenium helps the active form of thyroid medication (T-3) get into cells where it needs to be for your tests to be normal and you to feel, look better, etc. B6, 12, magnesium, etc are important for proper thyroid regulation too. Do you take any supplements?

Good luck.

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Wow. This is a timely subject for me. The best version of Armour was from Canada Drugs. Currently, my insurance company, Anthem Blue Cross, is giving me trouble regarding Armour. For two years, I have been getting Armour from CVS, then a mail order from a US-based entity approved by a local doctor, then recently, back to CVS. A month ago, tests showed my TSH levels so low that temporarily, for one month, my doctor prescribed double the dosage. What the heck is happening? At 80, I have no heart problems, even with high cholesterol levels. And, Synthroid never worked for me but that is what some local doctors want to prescribe for me. I totally empathize with you. This is very frustrating.

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Not sure what your age is but I had been taking Armour many years and believe my heart was affected negatively from it. (I am 62) I am now dealing with AFIB and after doing some research I discovered since Armour affects T3 it subsequently affects the heart. SO all that to say, my current doctor and I discussed options and since my T4 was borderline she changed my thyroid dosages. I am now taking one-half Armour and the other half (plus an additional 25 mg) of levoxyl. It seems to be helping my energy level and joint pain--still need more time to evaluate.

Monitoring thyroid has been one of the most difficult things I have dealt with and hope you experience success in your journey! Best wishes!

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Below is the exact information I got from my endo after my labs yesterday. I have been on the same dose of Armour for over 5 years. She is clearly biased against Armour and acted like she didnt want to raise the dose even a little. She finally relented and raised it to 7.5 mg to add to the 60 mg i take daily. I I still think I am under medicated. Does this seem right?

"TSH is slightly on the high side, free T4 is not very helpful if you are taking Armour thyroid. You may need slightly go up the thyroid hormone but it is hard to just increase very little with Armour."

Component Your Value Standard Range Flag
T4 FREE 0.85 ng/dL 0.89 - 1.76 ng/dL L


Component Your Value Standard Range
TSH, HIGH-SENSITIVITY 3.156 uIU/mL 0.550 - 4.780 uIU/mL

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