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11/13/15 12:12 P

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Laurie

Lots of times you are only given the test for TPOs to confirm autoimmunity.
But you really need both.

I am a case in point, my TPOs were under the limit for Hashi's but my Thyroglobulin Auto-antibodies were out of range high. That's why I never considered a Porcine.

Since that time, I've retested my antibodies and while my thyroglobulin has always remained high, my previously low TPOs have gone out of range high. The last time I tested, they had fallen.

My point being that antibody levels are dynamic.

I'd ask your doc to see the antibody tests to see where you are, before switching to Armour.

Plenty of people consider the Porcines to be a Godsend.
The only way you will truly know if they work for you, is to try it!

Make sure you support your adrenals with B vitamins and C, especially while you are making the transition.

Have a fun day!
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11/12/15 1:40 P

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HHhhmmmm I have had the test which confirmed Hashimotos years ago. Not recently.

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11/12/15 1:28 P

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Girl...

You already know the answer to this...

" I said because it is a natural product and it contains both T4 and T3, so I wouldn't need to take the T3 supplement if I were on the Armour"


I would ask your doctor/nurse, why they think you should continue your T3, being as Armour already has plenty of T3 in its formulary.

You have to be very careful with T3, bc it raises your cells metabolism fast, if your adrenals aren't in good shape, this can have consequences for your heart.

Something else to think about... did you ever have an antibody test run, for anti- TPO and anti- Thyroglobulin antibodies?

If your anti-Thyroglobulin antibodies (anti-TgAB) came back elevated (not always the cause in most people with Hashi's, its usually the anti-TPOs that are high), then you may not be a good candidate for one of the Porcines (pig-derived thyroid replacement hormone).

Reason being that the Porcines have a percentage of thyroglobulin in their formulary, being as they are derived from dried pig thyroids.

Yes, the same protein that your immune system thinks is the enemy and has mistakenly prepared antibodies against.

You don't have that problem when you take Synthetics... they are pure T4 and pure T3.

Be well,
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I received a call back from my doctor's office. She is going let me do a trial with Armour. She wants me to continue taking my liothyrinine too ( Cytomel--T3) I was thinking that if I take Armour I wouldn't take the Cytomel? What have been you folks protocol when you are not a good T3 converter and using Armour? Or even just using Armour at all?

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Thanks MZZ I am waiting with bated breath for the next phone call.

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Hi Laurie!

I can see why it might be a bit off-putting to be educating your doctor's nurse, but isn't it great they are excited about learning more and going on this journey with you?

Questions are good things. People learn from a variety of places.

Wishing you well!

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11/9/15 2:35 P

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Recently I received a letter from my insurance company telling me that they are no longer going to be paying for the various generic T4 supplements. Mine was on the uncovered list. They suggested that I have my doctor switch me to Synthroid, which they will cover. That kind of sat in my "craw". Insurance companies practicing medicine and all.
I called my doctor office and got her nurse. I told the nurse, I have requested this before and I am going to request it again. Can we do a trial on Armour. The nurse asked me what that is and I told her kind of bluntly that it is natural desiccated pig thyroid. she was like "What"? I told her again and she asked why I would want that. I said because it is a natural product and it contains both T4 and T3, so I wouldn't need to take the T3 supplement if I were on the Armour. She then asked if that is in the regular drug formulary and I said yes.
My doctor is an internal medicine doctor and she is an Osteopath. She is not an Endocrinologist. We don't have good thyroid endocrinologists in this town, even though we have a large medical community.
I've had a couple call backs from the nurse with a couple questions. They don't seem to understand why I would not want to take what the insurance will definitely cover. She also asked if I have ever taken Armour before? Which the answer is yes, many years ago. So this morning I got another call from the nurse, asking what pharmacy I use. She said that my doctor wants to talk to the pharmacist about it. She seemed a little excited and said, "it seems the Doctor is going to let you try the Armour for a trial".

I am kind of excited but now I am wondering if maybe I should have said Armour or Nature-throid?

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Not everyone does well on all medications.

Some people do great on Synthroid, some on Synthroid and Cytomel, others on one of the Porcines like Armour or Naturethyroid.

Tracy,

I'm surprised that your doctor mentioned adding T3 to your Armour, since Armour usually falls short not on T3, but on T4.

The vast majority of us need both T3 and T4... T4 is the longer lasting thyroid hormone, its half life is 5-7 days whereas T3's half life is a mere 24 hours.

Good to hear you are feeling better, hope you find what works for you quickly!

And yes as everyone has already said, the rules about wait apply to Armour as well.

BTW, coffee and a few other things have been found to reduce absorption of thyroid hormone meds.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24610609

Whereas vitamin C has been shown to increase it.

www.endocrine.org/news-room/
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9/6/15 7:28 A

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Yes, the same rules apply - wait at least 45 minutes after taking the meds to eat.
Armour has both T4 (which is in Synthroid) as well as T3 (which is in Cytomel), so depending upon how your body adjusts to the Armour, you may or may not need the Cytomel.
Both Synthroid and Cytomel are synthetics.
I tried Armour and did not find it beneficial - although I have read here that many do. Search around in the old message threads - much has been shared. I hope it works well for you.

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so, maybe my body not doing well with the synthroid is why I have been struggling at work even though my 'numbers' have been good...

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The best response I can add to this discussion is "Synthroid is a synthetic suck-fest for patients, however the pharma companies (as well as some of the doctors prescribing it) ARE making millions of dollars on it so there's that.

Synthoid is a synthetic form of T4 only. T4 is useless unless your body can convert it to the active form of T3. Many people cannot, or they can at first and then the body begins rejecting it.

IMPO it is a rotten drug that is being over-prescribed even when Armour Thyroid has been used with more success for WAY longer.

For more truth, integrity, and knowledge here are a couple of links I would urge anyone with thyroid disease to check out. Best of luck.

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

sick2death.com/

If you quit now, you'll soon be back where you started. And when you started, you desperately wanted to be where you are now. DON'T QUIT!
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I asked about switching at my last appointment. One reason is because my insurance covers the Armour, but doesn't cover the synthroid. My GP is pretty awesome that he takes your input into consideration when prescribing meds.

And I never had a doctor tell me to wait after taking the meds to eat, I learned that on my own from research.

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hello, i cant add any experience to the conversation at hand but as its a prescription medicine it seems as though your physician will prescribe when and how to take it or you can always ask the pharmacist as well. i would love to hear how the switch goes for you. i have read things about the armour. what made you want to switch? how did your doctor respond? was it the doctores idea or yours? please share :) and good luck...

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I am swapping from Synthroid to Armour and am wondering if the same 'rules' apply to the Armour. I usually take my synthroid before I leave for work with a glass of water and then have my coffee and breakfast about a half hour to hour later when I get to work. Are you supposed to take the Armour on an empty stomach and wait before eating? My doctor wants me to come back in 6 weeks to check levels and he may also prescribe Cytomel with the Armour...

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