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Maybe it is coincidence. I do watch the sodium. I read the labels. I avoid processed foods. I am losing weight. I eat organic greens and other veggies. I do not eat meat. I do eat a minimal amount of chicken and turkey, both low to no salt. I realize the stress has been intense lately due to tragedies, more than I really want to experience; and at least one is pending. I am starting to once again take deep breaths, which is supposed to be helpful. Until a few years ago, I always had low blood pressure. Thanks for your reply and helpful advice.

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Hi,

It's recommended you take note of what generic brand you are taking and request the same brand from the pharmacy every month. Some brands are better than other. Your high blood pressure is probably not the Amour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is not supposed to lower or raise blood pressure per se. It works on your Thyroid gland and not your heart and circulatory system.

If you want to lower your blood pressure, drink water or juice, not soda or coffee, tea or any drink that contains caffeine. Stay away from processed and packaged foods. They are chock full of sodium, nitrites and nitrates (all salt products). This would include certain cheeses, ice cream and baked products. You can find the salt content by asking the baker. Also vinegar will lower blood pressure a little, so eating salads with vinegar is helpful. If you must add salt to your food you can get half salt and half potassium salt product. Off hand I can't remember the name, but every grocery store has it. You wouldn't believe how much salt can creep into a person diet. It seems to be everywhere! Lol.

Good luck! :)

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Can Armour from CVS Pharmacy been the reason my blood pressure increased to scary levels? A new doctor requested I keep a daily record of my blood pressure readings. Yesterday I decided to switch to a newly filled prescription of Armour, this time from a mail-order pharmacy. By evening, the readings were down to normal. I haven't taken my blood pressure today but am hoping I get low readings again. I have been under a lot of stress and assumed the high readings were due to the stress. Maybe not. Or maybe a combination of stress and the CVS version of Armour.

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HI Miami!

We always recommend that our team members get a TSH, Free T3 and Free T4 test.
Get it in the morning and don't take your thyroid meds before testing. You missed the freeT3.

Frankly, test numbers once you've got thyroid disease, and are on medication, is really a moving target bc of the spikes in thyroid hormone after dosing and the half life of circulating hormone.

So IMO testing is great to get your numbers in the ball park... but once there, its really cessation of thyroid related symptoms that are the true barometer of how much thyroid hormone is proper for your unique circumstances.

When you have a complicated profile like you do, with multiple conditions with overlapping symptoms, that's when it becomes really tricky. BC you don't know if what you are experiencing is from inappropriate thyroid dosing, or one of your comorbidities.

I do like the ReliOn meter, and I don't see any harm in sticking with a low glycemic diet as its a great way to lower all over inflammation.

Me... I don't follow any particular diet, I eat foods I enjoy, thankfully I don't have much of a sweet tooth and I love healthy things... or LEARN to love them! ha.
I keep an eye on my Spark Tracker, I've loaded all the nutrients I can on it, and take a low dose multi vitamin. I go on food jags from time to time, I basicallly find a group of foods I like and eat the same thing pretty much every singleday. It simplifies things for me, I have a very high boredom threshold. Nowadays my current love its fish, greens and greek yogurt with honey and sesame seeds before bed. I'm getting kinda ridiculous about the yogurt I'm like a kid, I really look forward to it!

I loved corn and beans for fiber and magesium, ate them almost every day in the summer on a salad, but shocker they gave me terrible leg cramps which kept me sleep deprived. Sleep deprivation sets one up for Diabetes 2... I think months of no sleep contributed to the problems with BG that I have been experiencing the past year and a half.

The upside of the Bean Experience, is that it really impressed on me, how what is healthy for the general population, was anathema for me. It only confirmed my philosophy that everyone has to be their own detective, what's manna for one, can be poison for another.

Since dropping them from my menu I have not had a single cramp with the exception of a small one the nite I had peas, so i suspect I may have an overall problem with legumes in general.

the Confirm model of ReliOn meter is a well priced BG meter, the supplies (glucose strips) are a good value. You might want to purchase one and test your post prandial BG spikes one hour and two hours out from the end of your meals. As well as a fasting glucose on waking, before your thyroid or other meds/ eating or drinking anything other than water.

You want your BG to stay under 140 after meals.
Fasting under 100, with the 80s being ideal.

You can try any non sugared vinegar that fits your budget an taste preference as its the acetic acid in the vinegar that does the magic.

I find I have to stay at the low end of the calorie scale that Spark sets for me.
I get an hours walk everyday (3 miles), do yoga and sit ups several times a week.
With this plan I have been losing about a pound a week, but that's not even the best part.
Its that the vinegar was a cheap, effective way for me to lower my BG and avoid the inflammation and other problems associated with BG spikes... something I don't think the current medical model acknowledges as a problem as long as the A1c is in range.

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Hi Mizzchief,

I like the idea of doing blood glucose after every meal. I think I'm going to do it half and hour before and half an hour post meal. I'm going to drink or eat the vinegar. I already use vinager for every dinner I eat. I eat a salad with olive oil and vinegar. It's not apple cider vinager, but I read you can use white vinegar or any other vinegar that doesn't have sugar in it. What do you think?

You know when I was a child, I was so skinny my parents got a script for the doc to give me insulin right before I ate so I would have an appetite. I remember the feeling of being really hungry and eating. They didn't keep it up. I don't remember why. I stayed anorexic (not nervosa) till I hit my 30's with my second child. As the years went by I gained a pound or two without eating much more. It wasn't till I hit my 50's when I started to gain weight. I had a bad back and got more sedentary as the years progressed due to severe back pain. I believe that's when I got Hashimoto's I think. Rheumatoid Arthritis kicked in then along with OsteoArthritis and things got worse and worse. I went up from 130 lbs to 170 in one year 12 years ago and havent' been able to keep it off for more then a year. That''s the year I went on a Bally's diet (Yuck) and did aerobics in the pool. The pool exercises were very painful, but helped me start an activity program that has improved over the years. Now I hike, lift weights, do Tai Chi and swim regularly. Unfortunately, I'm not loosing more than one pound a month. It's better than nothing, though, As I said, I have a repeat appointment and a blood lab in two weeks.

Can you recommend the labs I should have? I want to ask the doc to give me a script so I can take it to him at my appointment, rather than having an appointment and then the lab and then another follow-up appointment. I'm not quite sure I had the right labs last time. I think I missed the free T something. I know it's a measure of something important, but for the life of me I can't remember what you wrote.

I really have to be more careful with what I eat. I have decided, based on your recommendations, I am going to go on a low glycemic meal plan. What do you think about the South Beach Diet? Have you read the book? Quite some time ago I tried the diet with my daughter. I didn't loose a pound, BUT I did like the food. And the deserts were decent. I just have to break the meal down to one half of the amount. It's too much food for me to loose.
I'm going to combine the low glycemic plan with my Mediterranean Diet plan. I don't want to change to another plan. I love the Mediterranean Diet plan. Any thoughts about that?

I'm going to get some Brazil nuts. It sounds like a great idea! Beats vitamins.

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Hi Miami!

No apologies for mistakes, it happens, but if I read something that doesn't makes sense to me, I ask questions rather than assume bc that can get one into trouble real fast!

That's great you aren't having problems with your heart racing.
As for iron, you might want to look into blackstrap molasses. That's what I take in my tea and coffee.

I truly understand your frustration with losing one pound per month, as well as the fatigue.
IMO some of that will improve as your adrenals heal which is why its a good idea to start on those vitamins your doctor suggested ASAP.

What's helped me with Food is to consider it my Frenemy. ha
Something I need, but which I have to watch in order that it doesn't hurt me.

I'm just going to go thru your mail and address things as they come up, I'm tailoring my responses for the general reader so you may already know these things!

I would also add a good multi B vitamin as well as C or better yet an increase in C rich foods for the adrenals, however there may be a reason why that wasn't prescribed so I would ask your doctor before taking them. There are different forms of the B vitamins, some of them can make symptoms better or worse if you have a MFTHR gene.

Just from using my Spark Nutrition Tracker I've found that I get lots of Manganese from leafy greens. So if you haven't started a manganese supplement already, I'd eat manganese rich foods. This website is a marvelous reference:
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I'd also suggest a brazil nut daily, instead of taking a Selenium supplement. Other sources are seafood and mushrooms, wheat grown in the US. Selenium is great for lowering TPO antibodies, but you can get in trouble by taking too much Selenium for longer than a few months, unless you know for certain that your diet is deficient. There's been a link to an increased risk of diabetes in people taking large amounts for long periods of time.

I have found CoQ10 (ubiquinone) helpful. The active form of it is ubiquinol. Its more expensive but I think its worth it, as its the active form of it, it doesn't need to be oxidized for it to be utilized by the body. When you are older like we are, ha, I think whatever you can do to make things easier for your body, the better. CoQ10 isn't something that's easily found in foods, so a supplement makes sense. I actually have made my own supplement by combining CoQ10 powder with medium chain coconut oil, which stays liquid at refrigerator temperatures. Its not ubiquinol, but I know what's gone into it, bc I made it myself.
CoQ10 helps with energy, aches and pains in my experience.

DHEA, I'd only take that if I had a test that said my levels are low. That's a steroid hormone and you don't want to mess with those, even if they are a OTC preparation, unless you've tested out low, FIRST.

The Niacin ER is a extended release, good for lowering cholesterol in some people. I suppose in an extended release form, it would have less of a flushing reaction. I've tried the regular, non ER version and had a bad reaction, Hives and itching all over my body, particularly on my face. Not everyone has that, I got some relief with an antihistimine and by stopping it completely. I would be careful.

I would also get into the habit of asking my doctor what each one of the things they have prescribed is good for, and if there's a way of getting it thru foods, since levels found in foods tend not to be mega doses (Brazil nuts being an exception), so there's less of an opportunity to do harm. Also you have to eat, supplements are an additional expense.

Most of us here have Hashimoto's.
Its the most common cause of hypothyroid disease!

About your A1c of 5.0 and abdominal weight, welcome to my world.
I bought a Relion meter at Walmart, what you're prollyhaving is higher than normal spikes of blood glucose following meals and fasting levels between 90-100. That was my problem. The A1c is like the TSH, helpful but it doesn't tell the whole story, its an average of months of blood sugar, if you are anemic, you can have false results.

The last couple of weeks I've been using apple cider vinegar to help with those "postprandial" BG spikes and higher than desirable fasting BG levels. So far so good, I started a thread on it here:


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As for your thyroid labs the ones that give the best picture is the TSH, Free T3, Free T4. If you are on Armour, then you definitely need these tests over theT3 uptake which is about how much transport protein in in your blood and t4(thyroxine) which I kinda think is a "T7",or the total amount of t4 you have in your blood, bound or unbound. Your free T4 in these results is a 2, which is low, but not surprising bc Armour has a lot of T3 in it. That's why you need a Free T3 test. The "T3 uptake" isn't it!

Yes, 30mg of Armour is equivalent to 50 of Synthroid only difference being that its composed to both thyroid hormones (T4, T3) as well as calcitonin, thyroglobulin, iodine and the thyroid hormone metabolites t1, t2.

I think that about covers it!
I can get some prices on vitamins if you'd like but I've got to get a few things done here at home right now.

Thank you for the compliment!
I am happy to help in whatever limited way, its what I do.

Be well
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Hi,

My apology for the mistakes. I WAS on Synthroid 50 mcg. once a day. for Hashimoto's. It was discontinued approximately three months ago. Now I take Amour 0.5 grains (30 mg) once a day in the AM on an emty stomach 1 hour before eating. I take my vitamins at noon.

Yes, I still have symptoms of fatigue. I'm doing a tad better losing weight. Now I'm losing 1 lb a month. Before I couldn't lose anything at all. I would like to feel a little more perky and be able to lose weight a little easier than 1 lb a month. My heart rate is not rapid or irregular on the Armour. My appetite is slightly decreased on the Amour. I'm on a 1200-1500 cal. Mediterranean meal plan. I take a multivitamin with minerals. I'm on 325 mg. elemental iron due to the Humira decreasing my hemoglobin level. Also extra Calcium late afternoon.

The doc said I had adrenal fatigue and inflammation due to RA and ordered vitamins. I have not started them yet due to finances. Do you have any ideas where I can purchase decent vitamins without breaking my bank? Lol.

Here are the vitamins the holistic doctor prescribed for me.

Maganese 2.5 Mg once daily
COQ10 100 mg. daily divided into three doses a day with each meal.
DHEA 100 mg. two times a day
Niacin ER 500 mg. once daily
Selenium 200 mg. once daily.

I have Rheumatoid Arthritis to go along with the Hashimoto's. I'm not surprised I have Hashimoto's.

Most of my weight is abdominal. I should have insulin resistance, but my A1C is 5.0, normal.

I do take medicine that doesn't help with losing weight. The docs say they slow my metabolism.

My labs last February were the following:


Results and reference ranges:

TSH: 4.720 High. 0.450-4.500

T4 (Thyroxine): 7.2. 4.5-12.0

T3 Uptake: 28. 24-39

Free Thyroxine: 2.0. 1.2-4.9

My labs 3 months ago were basically the same, even though I was on Synthroid 50 mcg. since February. That's when the holistic doctor put me on Amour. He said he wanted to keep the Armour on the same level as the Synthroid I was taking. I suppose he wanted to see how I would do. I'm now due for a repeat lab and a visit to the holistic doctor.

I have to find my other labs, but my antibodies were positive for Hashimoto's Disease.

Do you need more information on my labs? If so I can find them.

What do you think?


Thanks so very much for your help. I think you are amazing!

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hi Miami

50mcg of Synthroid is not considered a full replacement dose.
25mcg or 50mcg is the initial dose given to people (like myself) whose thyroid's need help but whose thyroid's are not completely destroyed. We are considered to have Subclinical Thyroid Disease. the TSH will be between 3-10, and the free Ts within range.

A complete replacement dose of Synthroid is usually between 125 + depending on age, weight, health, other medications.

I am not clear on what your current situation is.
Are you taking the Armour in addition to the Synthroid?
Or are you just on the Armour alone?

I have never heard of a dose of Armour at 0,5mg? Is that a typo?
The smallest dose of Armour that I am aware of, is a 1/4 of a grain or 15mgs.
15 mgs is equivalent to 25mcgs of Synthroid.

My thoughts based on the idea that 0,5mgs is a typo and what you meant to type is 15mgs, is that your doctor wanted to see how your body would respond to the T3 in the Armour.

As for how you will know you are on the right dose, the answer for that is when you have remission of symptoms and no side effects.

Its different for everyone.

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My dose of Synthroid was 50 mg. Yes, I have a doctor I can go to. I just wanted someone's opinion. I'm going to see my doctor who prescribed Armour in two weeks.

Thanks!

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Hi Miami!

What was your dose of Synthroid?

My thoughts are that it's important to get a doctor who is comfortable with prescribing Armour, and includes it as a regular part of his practice.

Reason being that the doctor is the one who writes the prescription, they're the one that ups or reduces your thyroid replacement hormine based on you labs and symptoms. They are the one who knows you best of all, next to your own self, of course.

So even if you get the best advice from us or someone else, it's not the same as being under the care of a experienced professional.

Just my two cents...
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Hi! emoticon

I'm hoping to find some answers here.

Two months ago I switched from Synthroid to Armour. While Synthroid helped me with the fatigue, it did nothing for my weight loss. I am on a next to nothing dose of Armour. 0,5 mg. (not mcg). With Armour the fatigue is 50% less better than the Synthroid, but I'm losing a tiny tiny bit of weight. How do you know if you are on the right dose of Armour. I'm thinking of the doc upping my doses to twice a day. My heart rate is normal and has not become irregular or rapid on Armour. With the Synthroid I did notice my heart rate a tiny bit faster, but not rapid or irregular. I kind of liked the Synthroid and was hoping to be put on Cytomel, but my doc said he didn't like Cytomel. He said it was hard to regulate. ??

What say you?

Thanks!

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