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I tried so many special diets in the past I intend to never follow one again. I have learned that I can control my sugar just fine with the lifestyle changes I have made. I still slip up some, but I am happy with the progress I have made.

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I ate raw potatoes when my mom before she cooked potatoes for a meal. So, to me they are good...don't have to eat much. They are also good for an upset stomach.

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Wow, an interesting thread. I am not a fan of no carbs especially because carbs are what the brain uses as fuel and nothing else. I NEED to keep thinking clearly all day and I need energy! 15 grams a meal is definitely not enough for me. That said, empty carbs do go straight to my head and make me light headed or sleepy. I have just as much problem with low sugars when I am not eating properly... so for me this "diet" is not perfect.

I have really found increasing my fiber to be key. If something has very little fiber like white rice then I measure it or only take small portions. That has been the biggest change.... filling my plate half with veggies and then a quarter with protein and a quarter with starch and I will try and find an alternate carb source if the starch is low if fiber. Like some chick peas. I eat more nuts and seeds now for healthy fats. But those have to be measured or I will eat too many.... too yummy!

I do eat wheat but less. I used to be such a sandwhich girl. But I have not cut it out and have found a super high fiber bread for when I am craving a grilled cheese or BLT. The difference is I only eat those once a week or so. I DO eat sweet potatoes but I don't slather on butter or add sugar as I find them sweet enough and have learned to eat them plain. Raw potatoes? Really??? I remember when I came on this site for the first time someone said "a potato is not a potato for everyone. Just because the books say they have "X" amount of carbs in them does not mean that is how you will process it. And they suggested doing a BS test before, after, and hour after and two hours after eating a potatoe to see how YOUR blood sugars reacted to it.

I am still diabetic but my blood sugars are normal now since I started eating this way. Now... I just have to lose the rest of the weight! I used to be on two insulins twice a day... and I never want to go back to that. My sugars were all over the place but I ate a lot of processed high fat foods and very little fiber. Even when I ate healthy I had unhealthy foods that my body was happy to process first as they were easier. After all, if fiber is hard to process and pretty little cakes are easy then my body is going to choose the efficient source first and become lazy processing the last.... and we know that digestion itself burns a lot of calories. I want my system to work for its nutrients!

I love paleo recipes but I am not strictly paleo... It was a way of eating I found because I have three family members who can't eat gluten. I have one site I favour "real healthy recipes" because she avoids white sugar in the recipes and has a lot of recipes that I get my sweet tooth satisfied (like her freezer fudge that is dairy free, gluten free, and except for some semi sweet chocolate chips, sweetened with dates). Many of the recipes are naturally low carb so I often need to watch my blood sugars if I plan to exercise after or I'll crash. But if you think this kind of low carb diet would work for you I would recommend her site for some good meal suggestions because they meet the low carb criteria.

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Okay, I was interested enough to buy the book for my kindle. :)

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Gluten free is working for me!

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My docs wanted me to give up all carbs except for "free" veggies (non-starchy). Yes, it will bring the BG numbers down to a lower level; however, it made me really grumpy. My sis (who lives with me) was begging me to go low carb.

She said no sweet potato, but I could eat raw potato (yuck). The only carb she allowed me to eat was brown rice. You have to be careful with brown rice and check to see if the carbs are about 36 grams per serving. Some so called "brown rice" has 56 grams of carbs per serving!

I try to stick to 15 to 20 carbs per meal, but I am not always successful. I had to give up the doc's plan, but I try to do it about once every other week or so. Grumpy, grumpy!



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Yes i forgot about that! I'll look into it, and see if I can't borrow the book from the library, end of the month and all that. Or maybe buy it on the first :) Thanks for reminding me, at least he's got lots of science behind him.

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Also, try to get on the Bernstein Diabetes forum for all things low-carb with diabetes. Later today, 5pm Pacific Time, there is a free monthly online seminar which you can find from the forum where Dr. Bernstein answers questions. It's amazing stuff and cutting edge. This doctor reads the current research.
Here's the link to the forum.

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I'm going to start trying with cold turkey, but if that turns out to be too hard I will give the gradually weaning down approach a try.

Also now I"m really grumpy because I started to look at the things the writer of the 'miracle' book was claiming for proof and the 5 hour timing thing isn't true. it's a 'gross simplification' of what really happens according to one nutritionist and it's not a whole glycogen dump in a short time like she -seems- to be stating in the book (or did I misread it that badly??) , but really small amounts after 4 to 5 hours of not eating carbs that keep your sugars from going in hypo. And I -know- the liver makes the stuff from ketones too from other studies/nutrition info. So, eating carbs to avoid the glycogen release that trickles in after 5 hours? I don't think so. Darn and I thought I'd found the missing piece!

I'm going to try to read through Peter Attia's stuff about glycogen and how it works, does anyone else know good other links/pieces on how glycogen works, so I can know what it -really- does?

Also shows me -never- to take books seriously again that do not have a bibliography! That should have been a hint.

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I gradually stopped eating a lot of the starchy carbs until one day I decided that I was not going to eat them anymore. I had more of a problem with candy bars. The only thing of that type I eat now is 86% dark chocolate.

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Wheat and sugar are addictive substances for many people, myself included. I do believe that these food addictions are just as strong as an addiction to cigarettes or illegal drugs. This is backed up by evidence described in the book "Wheatbelly" by William Davis. If you have not, join us on the Wheatbelly team on spark to learn more or read the Wheatbelly blog.
I do think that wheat and sugar are best just eliminated cold-turkey, but other carbs can also be eliminated/lowered over time. A lot depends on how your blood sugar levels respond. People on diabetic meds need to be careful not to lower carbs severely too quickly unless they monitor their blood sugar levels very closely before and after each meal. Sometimes diabetic meds need to be stopped within days of going very low-carb. The same goes for injected insulin of course.


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Hi Foxstar, did yo do the slowly cutitng out carbs thing and did it work well for you? I've heard other people say the best way is to go cold turkey. I already don't eat rice just because I don't like the texture, but bread is my biggest 'addiction'. And low-carb bread, even self-baked stuff, just doesn't have the right texture and taste for me. I still need to experiment a little with how to use coconut to bake bread though, if that is any better. potatoes I am used to eating in very small amounts (half a smaller one, quarter of a bigger one, with skin) on the 'medium carb' I was following (though not on the low carb period and I didn't miss it much) and I wasn't necessarily craving them. I crave bread and sugar, or more specifically, wheat and sugar. it's like an addiction :(

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Amaranth

You can get plenty of carbs and nutrients from veggies and a few berries. It does take time to learn to live without bread, pasta, rice and potatoes. I no longer eat any of those things (I might have 1 French fry if my son has them but only 1).

Take it one step at a time. Pick one of the above that you like the least and stop eating it. Cut the amount of the others a little. In a couple of months or when you feel ready cut another one and reduce the amount you are eating of the others. It will take time but is worth it.

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I gave up on trying to make substitutes after a couple of weeks. Now I sometimes just eat individual foods when I'm short with time: cheese, hard-boiled egg, veggie sticks, an avodaco,spoonful of coconut oil etc., you'll get better at it with time.

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That there is the problem. I have a full time job that I barely manage with chronic fatigue syndrome and my husband can't take care of himself, so we basically live off of microwaveable meals (thank god there are more choices in frozen lower carb meals now) and one bulk meal a week I try to freeze.

But I am going to hope that if I eat low carb with things like chewing on a half cucumber, and having hardboiled egg and some cheese for lunch is going to work enough that my energy will improve enough that I can cook for real. Because after a few weeks you get really really tired of the same types of foods all the time. I also know that if I have cravings for say french toast if I spend time and energy on making a low carb alternative I can make it go away, but if I don't I start feeling more and more deprived until I fall for the high carb thing and fall off the wagon.

So I got a plan in place :)

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You may find that things have gotten a lot easier now because more people are educated about low-carb eating and even restaurants will have low-carb options if you ask.
Just make sure to avoid all processed foods, including the Atkins crap (bars, shakes, meals) which would make Dr. Atkins turn around in his grave, and make your own convenience foods.
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I know I did induction significantly longer than 14 days, could be 6 weeks, but i'm not sure exactly at what period that was and what things I had incorporated. I am going back to that level of carbs again anyways though, so we'll find out soon enough if the cravings really do go away after that long.

I did lose 40 lbs at one point on atkins, 10 years ago, and gained that back because I didn't fight to keep up with a low carb lifestyle, but I didn't have diabetes then. That surely is a better motivator this time around.

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this is an interesting discussion

185 on my fourth anniversary of July 7, 2010
Joined weight watchers on 10/18/10 @ 188.0/after multiple 17 week passes took a break on 2/11/12
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1/04/13--149 :-)
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It is normal to have cravings on Atkins temporarily as your body adjusts from burning carbs (glucose) to burning fat. The key is to stick with it for 10-14 days and then the cravings will be over. During that time you want to make sure to cut down on exercise, sleep more and rest more. After this period energy levels will gradually increase (unless you are taking diabetes meds that keep your blood sugar level too low) and after about 6 weeks you should have far more energy than you ever had from carbs.
Read the book "Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" by Volek and Phinney for much more detailed info.
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I've been on the low carb diet and I also asked about the Diabetes MIracle on the low carb forum. The first two phases of this plan are low carb, but the higher third phase is not the normal 50 percent of carbs either. I'd be eating about 8 servings a day on maintenance, which does not include non starchy veggies, so that would end up being about 150 grams. Not normal ADA levels, not low carb either. That is what I always gravitate towards.

I have tried induction on Atkins, cravings, carbohydrate addicts diet, cravings from hell, south beach, some cravings and mostly trouble with keeping everything balanced all the time, protein power, same result as Atkins, my body feels better on low carb but the cravings are bad. I know I'm supposed to do something wrong if I have cravings on Atkins induction but I tried it while cutting out everything he suggests in artifical sweeteners, sugar alcohols, all that, be careful what I eat, and it still happens. I'm working on emotional eating too. Recently some experimentation with chromium has helped me lower the cravings so maybe that was the missing link. I do't know yet.

Also, some more news on the Diabetes Miracle. I find the title very unfortunate, it makes people immediately assume it is a fad diet. I have been struggling with food for years and years and have been reading nutritional information, blogs, books and also experimented with my own way of eating for years and years (hence the various low carb diets I tried). I know a lot about nutrition and the diet seems a very sensible approach, gave me information I didn't have yet about type 2 diabetes that I couldn't find elsewhere (about timing of eating, glycogen release timing, and combining carbs with fiber), and the theory behind it (though it is not completely scientifically proven because it would take large amounts of funds to do so) is working for a sample quite a bit bigger than n=1. There are quite a few type 2 diabetics doing very well on this way of eating.

On the other hand, I joined her site and got a refund with a message my being a member there didn't work out. Because I was writing blogs in which I shared some of my personal experiences, referred to low carb, and asked questions about where the two plans were different. Real discussion and questions about this eating plan based on knowledge of nutrition and of comparing several types of eating are not encouraged by the author (at least on the support site), or said even stronger, they are actively cut off as soon as possible. I am not sure if this is just because she wants to keep things simple for her clients like she stated in her refund email, which I think is massively underestimating what people are able to understand. Or is it because she wants to limit how much her clients think for themselves? If so, I find that very alarming.

Because the plan has merit and it gave me hope, I still want to try it. I might tweak a few things based on my own experiences and blood sugar reactions, I still believe even a plan for type 2 diabetics is probably not right for -every- type 2 diabetic. But I have lost my enthusiasm for trying to be an example and a torchbearer for this plan. Still I would really like to exchange some experiences with others while working on it, and I am considering starting a Sparkpeople group for it. Such a group would welcome discussion. The first thing I'd have to do is remark on the very unfortunate title which is so sensationalistic and makes it look like a fad diet, and also explain that it might be she's trying to do it more focused on earning money and having followers who do not question her teachings than really to help people. The site, if you're willing to swallow whole whatever ideas are fed to you (and not swallow whole any large amounts of even low glycemic carbs in one meal :) ) is a good, positive and very active place with a lot of information. It could be worth the money if you can keep from questioning things. But don't expect any real discussion.

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I can't remember if I recommended this to you before but check out Dr. Richard Bernstein's book and forum about diabetes. You will find all your questions answered and more.
Going much lower on carbs (20-30 grams/day) can be easy and you can still have lots of leafy green veggies, green beans, some onions and lots of tasty herbs along with your meat, dairy, eggs, fish and nuts. The lowest carb fruit are probably berries so you can occasionally eat some in small amounts (2-3 oz.).
The foods to avoid completely (and it's easy after a few weeks) is grains, legumes, sugar and other caloric sweeteners and processed foods.
The low-carb team has a ton of recipes and resource links, all free.
There is a lot of evidence that damage like neuropathy happens at levels much lower than 140. I try everything to keep my levels under 120 and closer to 90 for fasting levels.
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As with most Type 2's, I am also insulin resistant. It is hard and I appreciate your question, but I don't really have an answer. I just know that using insulin is helping to keep my numbers in check.

I also went to a Nutritionist who told me I should have 197 grams of carbs per day (spread out over the day) and I told her that if I did that, I would be in a constant coma......

I advocate finding a Diabetic Nutritionist who has "one on one" experience with diabetic patients working to get the BG down on an individual basis. I have found that so many nutritionists come straight out of training spouting the party line which is just.... bull----. I have a nephew who is taking courses to become a personal trainer, nutritionist, etc, some kind of combination of those things. One night he was talking about his instructor who he said would not tolerate any opinions about nutrition other that what SHE had to say on the matter. I tried to ask a few questions but he (my nephew) had already been indoctrinated into believing that everybody should eat 45 to 60 percent of their diets as CARBS and we need those carbs to function, to think, to move......

Well the simple truth is that Type 2 is a carbohydrate INTOLERANCE so for most diabetics, that much carb is dangerous. It means our bodies do not handle carbohydrates the same way "others" do. Would they tell a Celiac to flood their bodies with gluten? NO, but they will tell a T2 diabetic to flood their bodies with carbohydrates.....

Everyone is individual, so the only way to really know our limitations is by testing, Testing, TESTING..... What one person can eat, another may not be able to.

Insulin is just another arrow in your arsenal against this disease. There is only so much you can do without it. Talk to your doctor and explain that you are trying your best to keep your carbs low but you are concerned that you are missing important nutrients at your current level. Find out what options he gives you, and ask if insulin would help.

As a final comment, if your doctor and nutritionist do not give you satisfactory diabetes care, call around to find ones that specialize in that field. Find out what percentage of their patients are diabetic and their method of treatments. You can learn a lot from talking to the receptionist. (This can be harder to do if you live in a rural area)

After all, it is your body and your life, and you have to live.

Best wishes.

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I'm glad to hear it's not as bad as I fear. I agree 5 grams is sooo low. 15 a meal is doable, i've managed okay on it, but it's not enough. The 5 would not include veggies (green and other non-starchy ones) but it would include most other foods. So in the end it would still end up being more near 10 a meal and that's so close to 15 that's not working now.

I do already have to limit foods, especially fruit which I think are healthy, to things like kiwi and grapefruit that have the lowest glycemic index and load, but considering maybe using insulin so I can eat some more fruit is not a bad idea. I have just been referred to a nutritionist but the advise they were giving me not too long after I was diagnosed a year or 3, 4 ago, to eat 30=45 grams of carbs a meal wasn't working for me and they were diablerizing low carb, which made me walk out of the class. I'm sorry but the results of not having your blood sugars under control are wayyy worse to what happens to my body if I don't eat enough whole grains. My body actually feels better on half the carbs that was the lowest advised there.

I just really want my sugars under 140 because above is where you get neuropathy and such things, and I already have some of that. But I believe they don't want to put you on insulin until your A1C is over 9, and it never has been that high. Also I should mention I'm insulin resistant and the large amount my body is producing is not being used in the same way anymore, it's not that I do not create enough insulin. So how is injecting even more insulin not going to keep worsening the situation? There is so much about diabetes that makes no sense to me...

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diabetes is a bad deseae . it hurts your body without you even know that is wrecking your body .it hurts your quaintly of life . little by little it takes away your life and your sight . isluiln is a big help . eat the right foods . move your body and remember to smile .drink water not pop eat veggies . fruit really has a high sugar content .good luck

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Please do not be afraid of insulin and needles. I fought it for years but I wasn't having much luck with diet alone, and the pills were no longer working for me. I have been on insulin for over 10 years, and even though I was (and still am) terrified of needles, I now find it to be the best thing I ever did.

The biggest thing to consider is that going down to 5 grams (or lower) of carbs per meal, is not sustainable in the long run for MOST people. It is a big commitment. Where would you get you veggies? You would never have salad, or a piece of fruit, or a lick of ice cream or even half a sandwich..... Can you really give everything up forever? Remember we are trying to LIVE with diabetes.

Be conscious of your carb intake. I am definitely for that..... But you still have to live and it sounds like you have taken things are far back as you can. Talk to your doctor about getting an appointment with a diabetes educator who can help you balance the need for insulin, lower carb foods, and LIFE.

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Hi, has anyone tried this version of 'eat to your meter'? It's low carb, in phases of 8 weeks instead of 2 weeks, and you can repeat phases as needed or wanted. I am using low carb to keep my blood sugars in check and I was still failing even on 15 grams of carbs (1 serving) a meal. This plan sets the first 8 weeks at 5 gr per meal, and warns you to eat every 5 hours to prevent glucogen release by the liver. It gave some information specific to diabetes and carbs, timing and amounts, that I didn't know yet.

Did it work for you? 15 carbs a meal is doable for me but I know 5 grams is going to be a big big stretch and challenge. But I was still having 180 blood sugars in the morning. So I'm hoping that going even lower might help. The biggest problem is finding enough time and energy to cook special foods because I don't think the highly processed foods you can buy (which are horrendously expensive too) are a good idea. Unfortunately with CFS and fibro and a full time job finding time and energy to work on making alternatives when I have cravings is hard, and I invariably crash for what I'm craving in a high carb version at some point if I don't.

I seem to have severe reactive hypoglycemia along with my diabetes and even 15 grams of low-glycemic carbs with high fiber and protein and fat sets it off, it seems. Or maybe I should not push down further and admit to the inevitable and go on insulin, but I would really rather not have to give myself injections unless absolutely necessary. Though I want to avoid more neuropathy even more than that, and right now my numbers are not going to keep me from it developing further.

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