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8/29/16 3:41 P

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I read where a publisher like the story so much he made an exception with all the spelling errors. The man couldn't spell. But doesn't always happen.

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Exactly. One or two mistakes isn't going to automatically send you to the reject pile.



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8/26/16 1:50 P

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No matter how many times you edit or have someone edit for you there will be mistakes. I see them in books I read. I called the newspaper office once to make a correction in an article I wrote that had a mis=spelled word. They would not do it over. I felt that everyone that read it thought I could no spell, but it is the copy writer who copies it for the paper. A lot of times they read so much stuff they do not check it more than once before sending it to press.

There is always going to be a mistake no matter how well you have someone edit it. People are human and do make mistakes. But if you have too many, I read where a publisher did not want to go any further.

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No manuscript is going to be perfect I've found typos in my published books, and I can't tell you how many eyes viewed it before it went to print. Can you imagine if JK Rowling misspelled peak as peek, and an editor dismissed Harry Potter because of it?





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Never heard of that.

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I've heard it depends on your story in addition to mistakes. If you've got a great story, a publisher isn't going to let it go because you have a comma out of place. If you have a good story and it would take a lot of work to get it to great, then they might let it go.

I got a style guide from my publisher when they sent back edits. Like, is it spelled grey or gray? Blonde or blond? Oxford comma or no?



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8/21/16 8:17 P

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I hate grammar. Always did and always will. But I heard if you do not have the grammar right then a publisher will not even look any further into your ms. There are so many regulations when writing a novel that a publisher wants and if you do not stick to them there is no sense in sending them a ms. Then there is the waiting for a reply, some will and some won't. I can remember a time when I heard right away, but that was years ago.

Anyway thanks for the input. Sure appreciate any info on writing to help any writer that needs it. Writers should ask questions if they are seeking answers. There are enough published writers here to help.

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What this thread proves is that not all bestselling writers are grammarians. Not all grammarians are bestselling writers. And readers don't give a rat's patoot about grammar unless it presents a distracting "speed bump" to their enjoyment or understanding of the text, but grammarians will drive themselves to drink if they catch a minor typo. You can start a major flamewars among writers by asking, "What wrong with passive voice?" or saying, "I thought the rules had changed; I was told never to use the Oxford comma."

Language evolves. This is good, or we might all be speaking in middle English. Most of us struggled mightily through Beowulf and would rather not, thank you.

Change is good; mindless change is just fidgeting and time-wasting.

Chicago Manual of Style is the preferred guide for general writing and fiction. AP Style Guide is the bible for journalists. APA or MLA depends on your institute of higher learning. Harvard Blue Book has its own course in most law schools, but nobody else really needs to know anything about it.

And, finally, there aren't nearly enough grammar jokes. We should do something about that.

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I know what you mean. I try to use words where you don't need comas, if possible.
I have books on grammar but haven't read them. I think writing books sometimes are boring, but I still bought them years ago, when I started writing on a daily basis. They are still sitting on the shelf waiting for me.

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Well, I try to cut down on comma usage because I tend to overuse. It looks like I used a comma salt shaker over the chapter if left untamed. lol

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3/15/16 11:29 A

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Thanks Abby.

I would have written.

She went to the store, then the bank, and left out the and.
But She went to the store is complete, also she went to the bank. But to make two sentences out of it doesn't sound right together, unless there is a connection. I try to leave and out if possible.

I always hated grammar in school.

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Okay, this: This time, when she said goodnight to her friends after dinner, she didn't feel depressed, although she still felt different from them now.
...is a really poorly constructed sentence regardless of commas. :)

Here are the rules:
If whatever follows AND is a complete sentence, put a comma before AND.
If whatever follows AND is NOT a complete sentence, there is no comma.
She went to the store, and she went to the bank.
She went to the store and the bank.

If you are listing things, you can choose to use a comma before the last AND. This is an OXFORD COMMA, and you will see Great Debates about its use. I use Oxford commas in my day job, so it's in my MS out of habit. I'm pretty sure my editor took them all out.

Use a comma if it's a DEPENDENT CLAUSE.
Following this style, you should use a comma.
You should use a comma following this style.

Hope this helps. :)
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I have seen some with no comas after and then again some with. Also, Danille Steel seems to put a lot of comas in her words, Like, Tonight, he went to the movies, and bought popcorn.
Tonight can stand alone, because he went to the movies is a sentence, and again the question about the coma before and. I also do not know which is correct, but if I get a chance, I will try and look it up, in the net. Again, the sentence I just typed is something she does with comas, and breaks up words, as long as it makes sense. Do you do that too?

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It probably is situational. I don't use commas after an for the most part because it looks unnatural. I was always taught that if you use "which" you do the comma but "that" you don't. But varies a little depending on the sentence, but I'm no expert. ;-)

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I am glad you posted on this Darlene. I was reading the Darlene Steel book, Country. It has so many comas in places I would never think of putting one. I hope others come in on this.

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These are good questions Camey! Sometimes I use a coma after the word "and", and sometimes I don't. In the sentence I just typed there is a coma BEFORE "and".

I wonder if it's good using a coma after "and" when there's a change coming. Such as She almost invited Jean to come over, and then she changed her mind.

No, the coma is before the word "and" here too! I'm confused.

If I was making a list of names such as Nick, Don, Bradly and Harry...no that's not it either!! lol

I'll be interested how others answer this.

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I noticed reading a book where there is always a coma after and, which and but. I thought you didn't have to put one after and.



She almost invited Jean to come over and watch a movie with her, but she was afraid to wake Fred, if she called her, so she didn't.

She almost invited Jean to come over and watch a movie with her can stand alone so a coma is ok before but, but why a coma after Fred? Why could that not be added on to afraid to wake Fred if she called her then a coma after her?.



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This time, when she said goodnight to her friends after dinner, she didn't feel depressed, although she still felt different from them now.

Why couldn't you just say This time, when she said goodnight to her friends, after dinner, she didn't feel depressed, although she still felt different from them now.




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