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7/31/15 1:48 A

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I grew up eating meat and dairy, and now I am vegan. It's weird how common it is for people to believe that carbs are bad for you. We should ask meat eaters where they get their potassium and their vitamin C, magnesium, etc. Fruits, veggies, beans, legumes, grains, etc. come from the earth. They are healthy. People really think that burgers with cheese and no bun are good for you, but think that apples have too much sugar. It's ridiculous. I am just really happy I educated myself on veganism because I love the food, the weight comes off better, I'm being ethical, and I all around feel better and have more energy to exercise. I don't have to force myself to work out anymore. Our bodies need carbs for energy. You guys all know this, but it is frustrating explaining it to people who judge me. CARBS ARE NOT THE ENEMY. I say, so what, ignore people who say things like that. You are fine. Plus, nobody had to die so you could eat your meal.

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7/29/15 4:20 A

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I've been and was being realistic with myself. My feelings were hurt because someone who is supposed to be my friend (I've known her for nearly 20 years now) jumped all over my food choices instead of celebrating a huge recovery milestone with me. I was sensitive about it because healing has turned me into an emotional basket case. I'm considerably more mobile than I was at the time of my original post here (just released from physical therapy yesterday!) but I'm still healing. My injury was pretty severe. I'm lucky that I am what my doctor calls a "super healer," but I still have a lot of emotional ups and downs, and that's normal.

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5/27/15 11:02 A

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Oh carbphobia and facebook nutrition experts. I just have to roll my eyes.

My favorite moment was a discussion with someone who questioned whether I got enough protein since I'm a vegetarian. By the end of the conversation she realized that I get more protein than her (because I focus on doing so for my strength training) and ended up giving her tips on how to add protein to meals.

Keep your head high. You made a healthy meal from scratch while injured. That's a total win!

"Number one, like yourself. Number two, you have to eat healthy. And number three, you've got to squeeze your buns. That's my formula."
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5/23/15 8:26 P

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think you have to be realistic with yourself and say "who am I on this journey for?" If you are doing it for someone else, you will never be happy. If you are happy and satisfied with your progress, does it really matter what people say?

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5/23/15 10:50 A

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I have a cast on my ankle and I applaud your achievement. It takes so long to fix anything and then you're wore out when you finish. I finally cooked everybody supper last night. My sister has been doing the cooking since my surgery. Afterwards I did the dishes taking turns balancing on one leg and/or sitting in the wheelchair. As far as the naysayers on the carb discussion. I get more people commenting on whether I get enough protein or not. I'm new to this vegan game but doing all right.

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5/18/15 11:34 A

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LOL awesome

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5/17/15 3:59 P

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The ankle is the real killer, here! I was so cocky after making those beans that I decided to try my hand at baking. I made oatmeal raisin cookies this week, which turned into a 4 to 5 hour venture! I spilled my flax seeds when I was putting those away (thankfully it happened after I made my flax eggs!), and then completely didn't think about how much hopping would be involved in getting the trays in and out of the oven... I won't be doing any baking again until I don't need the crutches anymore. By the time I was done baking them all, I couldn't stand to look at them, much less taste them! My nephew thinks they're amazing, though, so that's good enough for me!

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5/17/15 12:00 A

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I think people also make vast generalizations-- I.e. All carbs are created equal. Fortunately, I don't get A LOT of the carb-phobia from people (it's mostly the "what do you eat?"/ "how do you get full eating veggies?") and when I tell people the amioint of grains I eat they're so freak out, or say things like "well careful not to eat too kcuh fruit, all that sugar" while they literally are eating salt and vinegar potato chips. For whatever people feel threatened by not eating leading (God forbid you tell people you don't consume dairy or eggs or cheese etc). Lately, for some odd reason, I have been getting into arguments with people of fish/ seafood is "meat" (them saying no meat is beef pork chicken; seafood is seafood not meat).

Hang in there, bask in the pride you have for nurturing your healing body, and take a deep cleansing breath!! Keep up the good work on the ankle!

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5/15/15 2:11 A

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The trouble is that there are so many so called " experts " with conflicting opinions that the advice becomes extremely confusing . Carbohydrates are an essential part of everyone's diet but like everything moderation is the key . Beans lentils and wholegrains play a large part in my daily diet and at 77 I am in excellent health . Yes I am vegan but having had a complete health check I lack nothing , not even the dreaded B12 :-)


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5/14/15 8:06 P

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Beans do have a lot of carbs - good carbs - they are slowly digested due to all of the protein and fiber, as well as vitamins and minerals.

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5/11/15 9:26 P

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Everyone's got an opinion. I'm with you and that I'll never view homemade, whole-grain food as bad-for-me, but for everyone that feels that way there's someone else with a "carbs are bad" attitude.

Keep up with the good cooking work. That sounds like an *awesome* meal!

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5/11/15 10:37 A

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LOL

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5/11/15 4:37 A

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That's the spirit ! You will find that Facebook is full of nasty people just waiting to pounce . It is a myth that carbs are bad for you. If we took notice of every person giving advice we wouldn't eat anything . The only really bad thing is animal products . Some say don't eat carbs some say don't eat any wheat , some say don't eat fruit etc etc etc . The internet is a good thing but too many cooks ( as the saying goes ) spoil the broth .😁😁😁

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5/10/15 9:50 P

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Thank you all for being voices of reason!

I... really don't know why I let myself get so worked up over this. I know it's a losing battle with most meat eaters and those who jump on the low-carb train. I responded very defensively, left my entire recipe for them (the only "processed" food in the whole thing were canned tomatoes, just because it's a bit early in the season for really great fresh ones), and the response in kind was, "Carbs on carbs in a carb sauce."

I don't know why I bothered, to be honest.

I'm looking forward to my leftovers tomorrow.

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5/10/15 7:27 P

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Honestly, what most people know about nutrition, you could fit in a thimble. They buy weird diet combinations and listen to people who believe the meat/dairy/most traditional medical industries. You could ask to educate them, but the brainwashing runs deep. Therefore, celebrate this meal you made under very trying conditions, and know that it truly is healthy. (I'm betting if you asked your carbophobic friend to tell you why unprocessed, whole food carbs are bad, he/she won't be able to tell you.)

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Sounds great to me. Home made baked beans are a super option with lots of fibre, vitamins, protein and complex carbs.
The CIA (Carbophobic Institute of Asshattery) are best avoided.

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5/10/15 3:30 P

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You worked hard during a difficult period for you to create a seemingly well balanced and healthy meal. To have someone who likely doesn't read beyond the new fad diet books reduce your struggle to not healthy because it's on a bread with an ignorant passive aggressive comment like hers is demeaning and hurtful. Your feelings are very justified regardless of if you are just sensitive from healing.

You worked hard and are deserving of praise. She missed the point entirely and decided to cut you down (carbohydrates are not unhealthy, they just aren't cool) rather than support you.

She deserves to be ignored.

Good job and congratulations are in order! Also good luck and speedy recovery!

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5/10/15 2:14 P

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I get bad comments on Facebook very frequently but I just laugh about it !!! The thing is people go on vegetarian/ vegan pages just so they can pull it to pieces . I have read your menu and I find that it is a very healthy meal , congratulations for that . I personally am vegan so you can imagine what idiots remarks can be !!!!! Carry on the good work and rest assured that you are not alone . I do hope your ankle recovers well , love and blessings , Jan

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5/10/15 1:13 P

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A couple days ago, I posted a picture of my lunch on facebook as a means of celebrating a milestone. I made a meal, from start to finish, on my own, while standing on one leg! (I'm recovering from a pretty severe injury - a trimalleolar spiral and butterfly fracture with dislocation and syndesmosis rupture and partial tear of my distal ligament of my left ankle) It's the first time I was able to do that since my injury, over a month ago. The meal was beans on toast.

The whole thing, start to finish, was made from scratch - including the bread. (Although to be fair, the bread was frozen from the last time I baked, which was before my injury.) The beans were English stye baked beans. The sauce had carrots, onions, celery, parsnips, tomatoes, garlic, and vinegar in it. Bottom line, it was a high fiber, high protein meal. I posted it with the hashtag "healthyeating" because it was absolutely not junk food.

I don't usually care about what people think of my food choices (or any choices I make in my life), but one person made a comment that bothered me tremendously. She said, "Not really healthy, but I guess it's hard for vegetarians to avoid carbs." I think what bothered me was the implication that animal protein is somehow healthier than the plant based protein of my beans and whole grains.

As if it weren't bad enough that at every turn people want to know where my protein comes from - now the other nutritional merits of my diet are being called into question too?

I understand that a plant based diet is going to be inherently higher in carbohydrates than an animal protein based one - but that doesn't mean it's impossible to limit carbs if that's your thing. And more importantly, it doesn't mean that carbohydrates are inherently unhealthy. The judgement that I can't make healthy carbohydrate choices because I don't eat meat and therefore eat more carbohydrates bothers me even more than the typical questioning of how I get my protein at all.

Has anyone else encountered this attitude towards their diet?

I don't know why it's bothering me so much. Normally, like I said, I don't really care. I know when my food choices are healthy, and I know when they're not - at least they're always ethical... I don't go around lecturing my omnivorous friends about their lack of ethics and how that colors the nutritional value of the foods they eat, though. Maybe I'm hyper-sensitive in my healing though. (I've also been told that if I ate meat, my bones would heal faster and stronger, which is ridiculous.)

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