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8/21/14 10:33 A

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As you mentioned there are two schools of thought on fat consumption and my advice would be to listen to your body. If you haven't noticed, there are contrary opinions on almost everything regarding optimum diets. I personally am not afraid of eating some fat, especially omega fatty acids as it adds satiety and my knees feel the best they have in 4 years. I also have tons of energy and my strength training is going better than ever. That being said, as I have IBS, even healthy fat can give me some problems if I overdo it on any given day. So I can't go too nuts like some of my hard core fitness friends...like adding coconut oil to my coffee etc...so do some experiments on yourself and go with your instincts. I have lost weight on both a low fat and "medium fat" diet the medium fat diet is easier to keep up because I'm rarely hungry (and really no longer a "diet"). Good luck to you.

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8/19/14 6:02 P

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Ok maybe it's best to agree to disagree.

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8/19/14 8:36 A

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actually we do not have omnivores teeth. a bear has omnivore teeth. if you had omnivore teeth, you could eat a rabbit without tools or fire. that means our mouth could tear through it's hide, rip it apart and digest it raw. i don't think so and neither dose any dentist that i have spoken to about what type of teeth we have. people think we have canine teeth, but those pointed teeth are too small to be canines. for a tooth to be a canine it has to be around 3x larger than our other teeth. the teeth we have that we call a canine is just a nick name, not it's real name. it's like an old 1964 Cadillac, the car was a tank but that doesn't mean it works in a battle, it was just a nick name. there is a simple rule for what is natural for humans to eat. if you are locked in a room naked, with no fire or tools, with an assortment of foods, the natural ones for humans to eat will quickly be obvious. fruits vegetation nuts and roots are the only foods you will be able to eat.

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8/18/14 8:59 P

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Actually, we have the teeth of omnivores. And this isn't a vegan-only group. The op asked for opinions. That's plural. Thanks for sharing yours. Please allow others to do the same.

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8/18/14 8:14 P

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Food oils do not occur naturally. Ghee is not vegan, and does not occur in nature. If you consume these items you are not eating naural foods. If you look at the real science behind food, we should only eat what our bodies are built to digest. Our teeth are herbivores teeth. Look at a horse or donkeys teeth. Our teeth are identical. Horses and donkeys don't consume processed oils. As for ghee, that is dairy and no animal consumes dairy after it has grown especially the milk of a different type of creature. Cows milk is designed to grow an animal fast because it needed the size as defense against predators. Humans are designed to grow slow so that our growth goes towards brain growth.


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8/18/14 5:33 P

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I am definitely not in the low-fat camp. I've read both sides and found the pro-fat side far more scientifically compelling. I do not track my food, so I have no idea exactly how much fat I eat. I eat what occurs naturally in the foods I eat (I do not avoid things like olives or avocados), and I cook with ghee and coconut oil, and roast or dress salads with olive, walnut, or pecan oil.

I do avoid transfats and industrial seed oils like the plague.

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8/18/14 5:17 P

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the thing with oils is that they are unnatural. you can eat nuts, avocados and olives (once when you are at your desired weight) these are high fat foods that are natural for humans to consume. when you make oils from plants, you are stripping away the nutrients and fiber and leaving behind only the fat calories. we were meant to have that fat, but it was meant to be accompanied by fiber. be careful of the numbers you see put out by the government. they are influenced by industry.

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8/18/14 5:12 P

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Hi DJUNAMOD and welcome - welcome to participating and welcome to your healthy life style!

I think that if you look at the two sides you've presented here, you will see scientists in the "No Added Oil" camp and bloggers and non-science based folks on the "eat 15% added fat".

Take a look more closely at your health. It's not just about losing weight. Although, I've lost a lot of weight by eliminating added fat into my diet.

I too used to have the same problem with restrictions. But you know what? After a couple of weeks, not adding oil to my food didn't feel like a restriction. Now it grosses me out to have oil in my food. I mean think about it, it's oil! The nutrients are practically gone - it's such a refined thing and it's grease! Yuck.

But what really motivates me is my health. Oil damages the endothelial cells - the little tiny fragile cells that keep our arteries open when they're healthy. I love my endothelial cells!

Give the no added fat thing a try for 10 days and see how you feel!

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8/18/14 4:51 P

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Hi Everyone,
I just started back on a healthy vegan diet today and this is the first time I'm using SparkPeople, though I've been a member for some time. I'm a little overwhelmed at all of the tools available so I'm still getting to know everything!

One thing I was curious about is, how much fat do you eat in your vegan diet? I know there are a lot of schools of thought about this, especially in the vegan community. There is a whole group of vegan doctors (like Neal Barnard, John McDougall, and Caldwell Esselstyn) who advocate a very low fat vegan diet. I've read many of their books and they basically advocate eating a vegan diet of fruits, vegetables, beans, and whole grains with no added oils and very little/no added higher fat plant food (like avocados, nuts and seeds, and tofu). According to these doctors, they suggest a diet of no more than10% of calories from fat and even 5% is best.

I've also read the books Vegan For Life and Vegan For Her and follow Gina Messina's blog. She says that the very low-fat vegan diet that these doctors advocate is outdated and that studies show that a higher fat diet is fine. She suggests a diet of about 15%-20% fat, so it's still lower than what the government recommends.

As for me, I've tried the very low fat diets, but I've felt very restricted on them and since I have a history of binge eating, that kind of restriction drives me to binge on junk food. In January, I revamped my menu so that it was about 20%-22% fat and it seemed to work quite well for me. I was able to stick to it until May (when I had some major stress having to move alone for the first time in my life and dropped back into bad habits) and felt good on it and I lost weight and felt great. This time around, I'll be doing a menu that is a bit less fat but not very low fat.

So I'm curious what others are doing.

Djuna

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