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12/4/09 9:04 A

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I haven't decided if I'm going to get the shot yet. I don't get colds or the flu that often so I think my immune system is doing its job. I definitely don't judge people for getting it or not getting it. There is a huge, heated debate in my workplace over the shot.

Sunshinedays, I noticed you said your mom used to live in Nanaimo....that's where I live! I love the island!



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12/3/09 11:46 A

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I got the shot Tuesday because of having asthma and my dgks having had the flu. I feel fine.

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12/3/09 12:35 A

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Honestly I was unaware of any animal products in the H191 vaccine becasue i havn't looked into it on the count of my immune system is strong and I'm pretty healthy ...If i really thought i needed it i would take it but as a few of you have said it was just thrown together to fast and that scares me WAY more then "swine flu"

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11/30/09 2:50 P

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Won't deal with shots period eating the right ORGANIC! foods will keep your Immune system up any way, and different food based herbs as well like oil of Oregano,Garlic,Ginger,Echinacea,Goldenseal Root, ect ect. don't really trust Western Medicines too much. that's why America is so stricken with all types of diseases! F D A Food!!! Drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Administrator they're all sleeping in the same Bed Plus this Virus sounds Man made as well...??????????

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11/30/09 12:56 P

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Looks like I'll probably get it tomorrow. I have an appt with my doc. I may not be able to get it because I may have H1N1. I almost passed out Saturday from a standing position, not getting up or bending over or anything. I've been feeling like I'm "coming down with something," many evenings over the past few weeks. I go to bed early, as I did last night, and by the next morning and my first cup of coffee, I feel fine. No fever, no real sore throat. Yesterday I was also extremely achy all over, and took 2 acetaminophen at bedtime. Felt much better today.

I'll post about the visit after I see the doc tomorrow night.

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11/30/09 7:55 A

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I hadn't thought about the shot from this perspective. My family chooses not to get the flu shots. We have never gotten one and don't suffert o badly from the flu. Both of my kids alreay had H1N1 flu before the shot became available so we automatically turned it down. I am not sure how I stand on the animal product in the shots. For religious purposes I couldn't take anything with pork in it. I will have to consider this.

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11/29/09 5:11 P

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I found a list of all the ingredients in the H1N1 vaccines here: answers.flu.gov/questions/4801 . There seem to be three different versions of it plus the spray, and some non-vegetarian ingredients (like gelatin) are in one of them but not the rest. If you feel that one or two of the types is suitable for you but the others aren't you can probably ask your health provider which version he's using.

Of course there's no guarantee that all three versions will be available in your area, in which case you just have to decide on your own what you're going to do. I think if I were in the primary group getting told to get the vaccine I probably would even with ingredients like gelatin (just as I would take medicine in gelatin caps if I couldn't find a suitable alternative). I'm not in the main group so I'll probably skip the H1N1 vaccine.

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11/29/09 4:05 P

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i don't do those vaccines because of all the heavy metals and all the other stuff they have in it. I don;t think it is necessary if you have eat right and employ proper hygiene at all times.

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11/29/09 3:41 P

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I requested the ingredient list for the H1N1 shot at the hospital I am employed at and it contains gelatin and formaldahyde (sp?). I didn't feel comfortable getting the shot in the first place even though I care for the sick b/c of how quick they threw it together. I am a true believer that handwashing and using standard precautions (i.e masks, gowns) will protect me. I am a vegetarian, but the ingredients helped me make the decision. I want to make sure this shot doesn't cause any side effects. I don't judge anyone who is vegan or vegetarian if they take the shot; we do the best we can:)

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11/29/09 3:22 P

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To my knowledge there are no sheep/cow elements in H1N1 vaccine or any other influenza vaccine. The vaccine information sheets (complete with ingredients lists) are available at http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu. I'd be interested in seeing what these elements are that the original poster mentions. Yes, the vaccine strain of the virus is grown in eggs, but that's still not sheep/cow. :-)

The "shark element" is probably squalene, which is an adjuvant. There are, however, no adjuvants in any of the seasonal influenza or H1N1 influenza vaccines in the U.S. Squalene isn't even licensed for use as an adjuvant in the U.S.

Hope that helps clear things up a little bit!

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11/29/09 1:53 P

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I agree that it is darned difficult to avoid anything that has ever been tested on an animal somewhere in its development.

My strategy is to avoid using non-vegan products whenever I possibly can and when I am aware that they are non-vegan. My personal convenience is not a good reason for me to do things that support industries I think are unethical. I don't believe that is obsessive.

For this reason, my husband and I declined to get flu shots. However, I understand that many people are great believers in the flu shot. To be honest, I probably would not get it even if I were not vegan. All pharmaceuticals have side effects and risks, some of which are probably unknown, something that is minimized to the consumer. I prefer to try to prevent the flu, or make it easier to recover from, by eating healthfully and staying fit. However, I understand that for those who are high risk, the benefits probably outweigh the risk.

In any case, all vegans are different on these types of issues. Some wouldn't think twice about it, some would never consider it, and many are somewhere in between.
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11/29/09 1:40 P

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I don't like medicine, not because they were tested on animals, but because of some of the potential side effects and the impact they could have on the body. If I can help it, I don't like taking medicine and I am thankful that I don't have any conditions that require it.

I go get my annual checks like I should and have been fortunate that I don't need any meds. I don't even like taking Advil or other pills in that family of OTC medications.

I'm sure that the older I get the more prone I will become to various illness and if I'm stricken, then I'll be forced to take them. But until I need to take medicine, I avoid them at all costs.

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11/29/09 12:03 P

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It is an interesting discussion. The truth is - every medication, new medical device, (heart stent, artificial heart etc) out there is tried out on animals first. My son worked in a research lab at the Cleveland Clinic while he was in college taking care of the calves, dogs, and pigs with artificial hearts, pacemakers etc in them. We owe our lives to these animals. Could we have the advanced medical technologies we have now without testing them on animals first? I don't think so. Could you imagine putting an artificial heart in a person that hasn't been tried out on another of God's creatures first and shown to be able to work with actual blood coursing through them? These are hard truths to imagine. In my son's lab the animals were treated well. He played with them and petted them and often told them that he thanked them for their sacrifice. Do medicines have to be made with animal parts in them? I am not a Dr. so I don't know, but in some ways I am more worried about the mercury in the flu shot than the animal parts.
But whenever practical and possible I will try to find drugs without.

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11/29/09 11:54 A

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my mother-in-law who lived until 96 years of age got the flu shot every year and my husband and i also get it with no adverse effects. i don't believe vegans should be obsessive.

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11/29/09 9:50 A

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This is an interesting discussion. I had the seasonal flu shot last year and this year after my doctor urged it because I'm over 55. Because I have asthma that has been much worse this year after about 5 years of being symptom-free, he said I will be one of the first to get the H1N1 vaccine and should do so.

Have I had it? No, and not for not trying. It hasn't been available to me in NY or PA where I divide my time, until last weekend, that is. Did I get it? No, because I was presenting papers at a professional conference out of state.

I knew it grew in eggs but didn't know about the other "animal elements". Because my health supposedly depends on it, I would still get it if I could. Mostly because our DGKs and their parents have been battling what the pediatrician believes is H1N1 for over a month, getting better, then feeling awful, missing a day of school a week per child on the average. I haven't seen them. Have been scared to do so, so that's my story. In a perfect world, I wouldn't give it another thought, but...

Reminds me of my struggle with the idea of Synvisc when my orthopedist suggested it for my knee a few months ago. It's made from rooster combs. I said, no way. But if I couldn't walk and it offered me relief, as it gave my cousin, I suppose I'd go for it. whenever practical and possible? I like that phrase.

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11/29/09 8:36 A

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I got the flu shot once and before a became vegan. I was so sick and sore afterwards. I will never have one again. I believe the body needs to build its own antibodies.

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I am required by my Doctor to get flu shots every year because of my severe RA, so I do. I don't need to cope with any more health problems, and if there is a way to prevent any more, take it.

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11/29/09 1:46 A

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I would definitely not have flu shot if it had animal products in it. As I feel my health to be quite good generally I would not have it - even without animal products - unless a health professional specifically recommended I do so.

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11/28/09 9:47 P

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I don't think very strict vegans would have the shot if it has animal products in it. I'm vegetarian and I have concerns about animal testing in the development of medical/pharmaceutical products. I would probably not accept an animal part transplant for example but if one of my kids lives depended on it.. I guess one doesn't know til we're in the situation.

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11/28/09 6:56 P

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I never in my life considered getting a flu shot, even before I became vegan. I just don't see the benefit to me to getting a flu shot, and I never have.

Edited by: WILLBOYWONDER at: 11/28/2009 (18:57)
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11/28/09 5:48 P

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Wisdom73 I'm north of Montreal. I never got a flu shot before and I'm not getting the H1N1 shot either.

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11/28/09 3:31 P

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Wow, not something I'd known about, the fact there are animal elements in it, I simply hadn't even thought about what goes into a flu shot...

I don't plan on getting a flu shot any time soon. It is something I will definitely have to take into consideration when the time comes when I will have to seriously consider getting one.

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11/28/09 3:29 P

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The definition of vegan is to stay away from all animal based foods, clothing, etc. including anything that would exploit any living thing, "whenever practical and possible..."

If a vegan were ill and a doctor strongly recommended that they receive a vaccination with animal ingredients or - as most of all medications and medical procedures are - tested on animals. It would not interfere with their vegan lifestyle to receive the medication. All of those things are open to an individual's interpretation. I am vegan and have severe autoimmune illnesses and would do what ever my doctor recommends to help me live a more healthy life.

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11/28/09 3:16 P

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I live just outside of Toronto in Whitby :o) My Dad was born and raised in Pointe-Claire and my Mom in Nanaimo LOL.

Oh and I got the shot too... although I'm vegetarian and not vegan :o)

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11/28/09 3:13 P

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I am Vegan.. I got the shot... I am a vegan for my health.. and I don't want to get sick. Besides that.. I am front line in health care.. I HAVE to get the shot or risk passing on the virus to people with compromised immune systems.
This was not even something I thought to hard about..

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11/28/09 3:00 P

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Hi there, good question indeed although I am not vegan. I am going to get the shot even if there is much controversy around it. I am in Canada too, where are you? I live on the south shore of Montreal.

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11/28/09 2:58 P

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Very good question. Maybe we can get a truthful answer from some of them. I think there are vegans, that still eat honey, but if they are living a vegan LIFESTYLE, they probably don't ...eat honey or get the flu shot... emoticon



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Someone on a parenting forum asked if vegans use flu shots... this is the question...

"This is a genuine question, and not a sarcastic remark.

I know that vegetarians and vegans come in all colours (so to speak). But are those vegans who won't touch even honey.

But I recently read that there are sheep/cow elements in the H1N1 vaccine, not to mention that shark element too.

So, would a very strict ethical vegan, the kind that won't even eat honey, abstain from the flu shot?"

Of course now I have to figure out what "shark element" and "sheep/cow elements" are in the flu shot. I knew about the egg issues but not the others.

Do the vegans here get the flu shot or not?

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