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4/9/08 10:15 A

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I agree 100% with all that has been said. I have always thought that it is a parental choice about what TV shows, movies or games they allow their children to watch.

I guess it is the overall celebration/accreditation of the negative aspects of our society in any media format that touches a nerve. One of the first things I learned in journalism is the saying "if it bleeds, it leads." These games, shows, movies, etc. wouldn't be produced if they weren't top sellers. That's just basic economics.

I think legislation in a crazy, ineffective way to deal with what comes down to a social issue. Their are lableing in place to give parents a clue what is in the show or game -- if parents pay attention and want to enforce it.

It just always strikes a nerve in me when I notice this stuff is released. It amazes me that so many kids and adults love this stuff so much that it has grown into a multi-million dollar business. Crazy!



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4/8/08 5:25 P

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"Guns don't kill people. People kill people. And monkeys do too. If they have a gun."

...sorry, just felt like shamelessly quoting the almighty and powerful Eddie. But it's true. Substitute "guns" for "video games."

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4/8/08 4:42 P

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The Pac man quote is from the most excellent humourist Marcus Brigstocke

www.marcusbrigstocke.com/pacman.asp

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
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4/8/08 4:36 P

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Looks like my opinion is right along with everyone elses. "Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected our generation, we'd all run around in dark rooms, munching pills, and listening to repetitive music" - unknown author......wait a sec :)

Why do we fall?....to learn how to pick ourselves up.


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4/8/08 4:10 P

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I had forgotten Bully was rated a T. It still stands to the idea that it's not appropriate for young kids and that the rating reflects it.

I agree otherwise though. Video game violence is frequently highlighted over movie violence but isn't worse. It makes me angry.

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4/8/08 3:46 P

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My main topic my entire English 102 class was on violence in video games and how there is no proof of any negative effects on children, and how hypocritical it is that that Sin City is considered "art" while Vice City is supposedly corrupting the 8-year olds who should not have been playing it to begin with.

I will spare you the acid. Trust me, you really don't want to get me started on this topic... you really don't.

Oh, one more thing, since I'm anal about getting facts right. Bully is rated "T for Teen", and was always meant to be T-rated. Rockstar never pretended anything else.

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4/8/08 2:58 P

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Of course I remember playing Barbarian from Psygnosis aged 14, that was clearly the most violent game at the time. Those days there were no ratings for games - and I seem to recall (although I don't really know) that it was one of the games that Germany banned for its violent content.

However videogame violence and concerns over it are nothing new. I recall fuss over Wolfenstein, Carmageddon, fatalities in Mortal Kombat.. Doom.. the original 2D GTA series..

In fact this debate has been rolling since Death Race (1976)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Race

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4/8/08 2:15 P

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While I was doing my B.A. and M.A. degrees, I worked at a local GameStop. I was always shocked by how many parents bought "GTA" and other such games for their 7-8 year old kids. I'd always ask them if they knew what was in the game, but I had no power to really stop them. I did, however, refuse to sell "GTA: Vice City" on launch day to two 15 year old kids. No ID, no game.

My 10 year old nephew, however, does play *some* violent video games, such as "God of War" and other ancient history combat games. While it's quite gory, for the most part the games are actually a reasonable way to get kids into Greek mythology. I'm sure it could be done in a less violent way, but ho hum. But, I may add, the game is played in front of his mother and father... and they limit him to 30 minutes a day.

I agree that this is a parental responsibility issue, rather than a legislative issue. Parents need to know what their kids are playing, but ultimately the discretion is in their hands.



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4/8/08 11:00 A

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I tend to do more games of the rp variety as well but I'm hightly in defense of violent games.

Video games are a relatively new phenomenon but there have been violent movies and violent books for a very long time. I'm responding far too early in the morning for me to be bright enough to actually remember a lot of good and solid examples but I know I've seen a lot of shoot-um-up type movies and horror movies for years. I certainly wouldn't say they're less violent than the games I've played.

Really, what it comes down to is both video games and movies have ratings. It seems like a lot of parents ignore them both but all of the games you listed there are the gaming equivalent of an R. Parents have every right to decide when their kids are or aren't ready to watch or play things with that rating. (barring when they become an adult)

My last point is that all of those games aren't the same on violence level. I haven't played it but Bully is all about fist fighting. It's no where to the same par as any game with huge amounts of gun fighting (imho), and probably puts it below a lot of games that don't even register on people's violence scale. The M rating in it mostly comes from cursing... and more because Rockstar games made it.

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4/8/08 10:36 A

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Games have age ratings for reasons

Parents need to abide by them for their children

Adults should be trusted to be able to make their own choices about what they do

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I have programed all my computers, TVs, DVD players, and remotes for all of the above with "Parental Empowerment Buttons".

I can look at what is on/playing/online and hit the empowerment button if I disagree with the content.

I explain to my daughters that if something is inappropriate the empowerment button will be used.

If parents just took the responsibility to use their empowerment buttons this would not be an issue at all. Parents would take care of it as they see just. Blaming games because parents don't care enough to monitor their kids is a cop-out.

For those of you parents looking to set up your own empowerment buttons, usually they come with the TV, DVD player, or computer. It is often already enabled by the device, you can find it on the remote labelled with a circle with a vertical line at the top, or shorthand "POW" or "POWER", or simply labelled "on/off".

If people took responsiblity for what their kids did, legislation would be unnecessary.

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4/8/08 10:05 A

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Ok...I have to admit I am not an avid gammer so maybe I'm biased. (I like RP games much better -- paper, dice, online MUD, etc.) So I feel I should refer to those that are. I just may be overly sinsitive.

Ok...What everyone's take on these truely violent games or games that seem to celebrate a trend in our society that traditionally hasn't been positive: Bully, Postal 2, Grand Theft Auto, etc.

Steven King just spoke out against the upcomming Massachussets bill. Not getting in to the legislative issue, becuase I truely do believe the issue should be left up to the parents.

I find these games offensive. I know I won't buy them for my son or let my son buy them. (Not that he wants to now. He's only 4, but I know this issue will stay around for a long time.)

What's your take?

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