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8/15/14 8:55 P

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You are so right about the time commitment of running a marathon Siobhan! I had a "bucket list" goal of running one before I turned 50, which I completed last September (the marathon that is, I turned 50 in Dec). I didn't run it, I walked when I couldn't any more, so I figure I ended up running about half and walking half. I really enjoyed it, but wasn't well trained for it because I injured my knee. Lesson learned, though, and I probably won't try one again until I'm retired, just because of that time commitment.

And I'd much rather be on a trail than running on the road!

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8/14/14 5:48 P

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I just joined this SP hiking group last week and saw this thread today.

I recently had to make a very tough decision related to this same issue. I turn 60 next year and had a couple of things I wanted to do to celebrate. I have never run a marathon, but have run dozens of halfs. I thought it might be nice to run a full marathon in 2015. I also have a goal of hiking to the summit of Mt. Whitney in 2015.

Considering my extremely limited time I had to seriously consider what I could realistically achieve. It finally, for me, came down to how I wanted to spend my time. Training for a full marathon is like having a part-time job on top of everything else I do. I love running and normally run 18-22 miles a week (I'm also s-l-o-w). But hiking and getting out into wilderness feeds my soul even more. So in June, before registration opened for the races I was considering for 2015 opened, I decided I would blow off trying for the full marathon and concentrate on getting out hiking more.

My DH & I just did 45 miles in Yosemite in July and it was marvelous. I continue to run three days a week which helps my stress levels. I'd like to get out hiking more often, so I'm going to look into group hikes with the local Sierra Club chapter.

Making the decision to skip the full marathon was tough, but I think it was the right one for me given my limits. It's a very individual thing, and each person has to follow their heart. I'm already signed up to do the Big Sur half in November, though, so I'll be back to that level of training (one longer long run and speed work one day a week) for a couple of months.

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8/12/14 9:01 A

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Yep, keep getting out there Laurance, emoticon Happy trails! emoticon

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8/11/14 9:35 P

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Hi-ho, Changinghorses, that's me who went hiking with you! And yes, that was a nice hike, what with the trail up the hill being all lovely and green. We sure did have a lovely day and a great hike/walk together.

I'm starting over from the beginning, having had a really bad winter and having lost all the good health I built up in 2013. I need to get back to Beating Pre-Diabetes - got a genuine health issue here.

I'm a lot slower than you. I just chug along at the back, moving along as well as I can. I feel guilty holding up someone who is faster than me...

But we sure did have a lovely day!
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8/11/14 9:19 P

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I'm not a fast runner either. It's nice that you were able to work something out with the running and hiking! Good luck with your race!

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8/11/14 8:04 P

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The hike that I was suppose to do didn't work out after all and I made up for it hiking with a Spark friend! We had a really nice hike which turned out for the best. My legs got pretty sore after the 15.5 miles that I ran the day before so I needed a less strenuous event. The weather day was gorgeous and the company was enjoyable!

I guess I am just trying to make the best of both worlds and I know that I will never be a speed demon when it comes to running. I will continue to make the best of whatever I can do at the moment and still keep an eye on the pie! The real test will be the race in 2.5 weeks.

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8/11/14 6:48 P

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I used to be a emoticon distance runner years and years ago.. and am just struggling to even find my feet again. I really liked doing trail runs and feel that they are much better for the body than running on concrete or asphalt (although one must have tough ankles *which I do). I am just sooooo heavy now which is a double edged sword because I used to run to lose weight but if I run too much while I'm really heavy it's really hard on my knees! And once the knees go everything is GONE. Darn menopause anyway it's just tough..!

Yes on running & hiking! (both)

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8/10/14 9:44 P

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I have to say I'm admiring and astonished that you can do a run and then the next day do a hike.

It was ME you were hiking with after that run, and I'm SLOW SLOW SLOW now, being badly out of condition and now in somewhat questionable health after a bad bad winter and not so hot spring and early summer.

I was so happy to see you and so happy to go on that not too strenuous hike with you.

Right now I'm just trying to regain my health.

I sure hope that our not too horrible hike was okay, not too hard and not too easy. All that lovely foresty green on the way up was such a pleasure!
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8/9/14 1:03 P

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I know how you feel!

I guess it's just what you decide to make the "main thing". Will that be the running or the hiking? You can do both, but there will be compromises, and that's OK too.

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8/7/14 8:29 P

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Well in this case, I will get my long run in the day before the hike so I will be okay I think. I may only go part way and turn back so as not to get too exhausted by it all. I will see how I feel Saturday morning. My main concern is getting the LSD done and I have scheduled this week differently so I can run tomorrow.
Last year I did a 9 mile hike the day before my first half-marathon. Although I don't think it made that much of a difference, I will be more careful in my schedule this time around.
So many fun things to do and so little time. I go crazy trying to get as much in as possible.

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8/5/14 9:52 A

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I did that with my training, but then again, I ended up messing up my knee (we had taken a week off to backpack, in which I didn't do any running, but we did hike some and bike ride as well) When I came back from that week, I tried to go back to the distance (well, time, as I was following a time based program) and it was too much for my knee joint. I ended up not being able to complete my program because of that, so I'll throw that caution out there, not all workouts are the same!

That said, if you have a good solid running base, I think you could sub a strenuous hike for a LSD run, because the muscles you are using are similar, and the pace may be similar as well, especially if you are a slow runner (I am as well). But keep in mind that running is a little different, so it may not train you for the race. Just for the endurance to complete the distance. Are you OK with walking some of the marathon? That may be the compromise you have to make to try this. Of course if it's just one or 2 LSD runs that you sub for hikes it may not make that much of a difference, as long as you are still running the majority of those training runs.

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8/5/14 6:52 A

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Since this is my longest LSD in training for the 18.12, I wanted to do somewhat a decent pace. I am rather slow to begin with and if I go much slower on a long distance, I may as well walk. (My LSD ends up being about 13.5 mpm) A faster hike may qualify, I guess?

I can't do trail running very well. I wear bifocals and it just messes with my head.

Right now the running is the most critical to me and I put that first but I want to train for a marathon that is coming in Nov. and now we are getting back into prime hiking season.

The training program that I am following puts a cross-train day after the long run. A hike would fit that.

Do you think if the program calls for running 4 days a week and I replace one of the runs with a hike of similar distance that it is doing any harm?

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8/4/14 9:22 P

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It really depends on your priorities and goals for the race.

I trained for a marathon last September, and ended up injuring my knee, so I walked about half of it. I still really enjoyed the event, but I was hoping to run it, and have a faster time...but life does get int he way sometimes!

If you are missing hiking, I think you have to ask yourself if the running is worth the sacrifice. It may be, especially if this is a bucket list type of event for you. Then you would skip the hike and concentrate on the running training.

Do any of your hiking group run also? Maybe you could sub a trail run as a training run and still get the time with your group? If that's not possible, can you do part of the run before the hike? (say your long run is 15 miles and the hike is 10, you could run 5 miles before the hike and then do the hike with the group. Not exactly perfect, but you're still getting the miles on your feet. )

You actually could try to do the long run on Sunday, it also wouldn't be perfect, but I've seen some training schemes where the do back to back training like that, and explain that this helps build endurance in a different way, I think you start out more depleted, and it does help train you for the latter part of the race where you will be more depleted.

Good luck whichever way you go!

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8/3/14 10:01 A

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Looking to see if any of you hikers are also runners? I am training for a couple of long races, including my first marathon and I am wondering and looking for any tips on how hiking can fit in. I sometimes have to choose between my hiking friends and my LSD and I wonder if I have to. We do some pretty good mileage when we hike.
Next week they are doing a hike that I really want to do but I have my last and longest LSD on Saturday of 15.5 miles before my 18.12 Challenge. I know the run must be done and I should not do it on Sunday after hiking on Saturday. Next weeks hike if definitely out but generally speaking what to do?
Anyone else?

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