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9/1/09 12:42 P

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My problem with the low cal recommendations is what happens when you lose 10 pounds and now you need to reduce your calories even more because of the weight loss. If you are say 50 pounds over weight and lose 10 pounds eating 800 cals, and still have 40 pounds to los, where do you go from there? If you keep eating 800 eventually you will hit the bottom and now you are stuck eating 800 cals a day or less for the rest ofyour life. No thanks!



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9/1/09 12:21 P

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Yes, I have had an endo recommend less calories. At the time I was at the gym three times a week doing cardio and weight lifting, plus I walked over half a mile each day. He said I was consuming too many calories and that I should drop to 800 calories a day without doctor supervision. I reported him to higher authorities. Needless to say, I won't be going back. I now have an internist that is working with me.

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8/30/09 9:27 A

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Wings,

I've never had that advice (I've had 3 endos over the years). And thanks to cancer, I don't have a thyroid, so all my thyroid hormone is artificial.

Regardless, I think you think that advice is unsustainable (and I can certainly understand why you might think that). So, if possible, I recommend your getting a second opinion. I'd say find an endo who will work with you to find a plan you can stick with.

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8/29/09 6:00 P

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I eat around 1200-1600 calories a day. At first I was eating around 900-1000 a day. It wasn't intentional, I just wasn't writing stuff down.

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8/28/09 4:48 P

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My doctor wants me to eat more calories, but I have to say...from my personal experience, I tend to lose weight when I eat under 1200 daily.

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Weight Watchers worked for me and now I work for Weight Watchers.

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8/28/09 4:39 P

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Yes, I had an endo tell me that, I never went back to see him again.

I have tried low calorie and exercise, lots of exercise and it doesn't work for me. At one point I was exercising 8 times a week, an hour of cardio plus strength training. I was eating 1200 calories a day, and only lost 3 pounds in 12 weeks. Talk about frustration.

A few weeks ago I started to eat like a caveman 90% of the time and I have lost about 5 pounds in 3 weeks. That is significant for me! It means no wheat, not even whole grains, no rice, no beans. But the sacrifice is worth it. I can eat all other fruits and vegetables without a problem and as much meat (not high fat stuff like sausage) as I want. I really think the extra protein is the trick.



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8/28/09 4:22 P

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Yes you will lose weight, but your body will adjust and your metabolism will get slower and slower.

I'm working with my nutritionist (through my Dr) specifically on building my metabolism. I detailed it on a blog post on my sparkpage if you're interested, but the short story is:

1) Eat breakfast within 45 minutes of waking up-- if you wait longer than an hour your metabolism will drop.

2) Eat every three hours (like was mentioned below..) smaller meals

3) Cut out all of the pasta/bread, etc. You can have some, just use whole grains. If you O.D. on breads, even whole wheat, this will affect your weight loss.

4) Eat enough fats (good ones like olive oil, olives, avocado, etc)-- I'm supposed to have 4 servings a day, but it can differ. I count my fish oil in the a.m. as one serving...

5) Exercise 7 hours a week (an average of 1/day)-- 2/3 cardio, 1/3 weights. You want to burn calories, but you also want to build lean muscle mass as this is what also speeds up your metabolism. You may walk the dog a few days a week, and then do a yoga or strength training class, or video, whatever works for you.

I had the benefit of getting tested which showed us how many calories my body burns during the day. So we took that, and subtracted the 350-500 for calorie burn in exercise (I use 350 as I feel it's more realistic)-- and that gives me the amount I should be having per day.

Going lower is bad juju on this plan as your body goes into starvation and you start eating your own body-- specifically your muscle, which lowers your muscle mass which slows your metabolism...

Just my nutritionists point of view, but I'm thinking she may have a bit more knowlege about the subject than an endo. No matter how good the endo, they just don't have enough hours of study about nutrition and metabolism.

Hope this helps, but of course, your mileage may vary!!

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8/28/09 1:50 A

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Lol, no he's not a nutcase. It's true that if you eat less you Will lose weight, but that low is too low. I knew in the back of my mind I was remembering something about 10 times a weight, to maintain. So I did a search and came up with this:

http://primusweb.com/fitnesspartner/libr
ary/weight/calsburned.htm

Here's another one - read under #1 about BMR. Here they put it in really easy terms:

http://www.essortment.com/family/howdoyo
uknow_svkw.htm

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8/28/09 1:37 A

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exactly....he's a nutcase. Try following the suggestions we do here because there's no reason to starve yourself....when you get in range you will lose. Slowly probably but you can do it without starvation. Mini meals are an excellent way to ramp up your metabolism!

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8/27/09 8:33 P

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yes it does work i sort of graze all day it helps me

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8/27/09 6:55 P

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Ya know how they say, eat many small meals a day? Well, I tried it a few years ago. Granted I need to do it again, lol, but that time's coming up here shortly. I just need to wrap my brain around the concept AGAIN.

It works! I never believed it but it's true. I cut out the white stuff, switched to 100% whole wheat everything, bread, rice (use broth instead of water, it tastes much better - not so boring), etc. when eaten, and watched my portions. Ate every 3 hours (it takes some getting used to). Breakfast (all important), snack, lunch, snack, dinner, snack.. healthy snacks, with a carb and a protein (they balance each other out).

All important, I started walking 30 min. a day then went longer after a bit. Not a "stroll down the street" a brisk walk. The dog loved it, lol. My new endo said in June that 1 mile is for maintenance and 2 to 2+ is for weight loss. The good thing is, it's cumulative and you can split it up at different times.

After 3 months with just these small changes, I'd lost almost 20 pounds. I was shocked!

I'm hypothyroid. Found out in the late 90's. Probably was years before that. Just found out in June that I have Hashimoto's (I probably did way back when too). At least I finally know! Yeah, it's harder for us that are hypothyroid to lose weight, it comes with the territory.

Give it a try tho. Less calories, that low? I'd say eat more often. It keeps the metabolism working. Not eating/skipping meals puts it in the starvation mode and everything comes to a screeching halt.

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8/27/09 3:28 P

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My endo never mentioned a specific amount, but he did tell me he believed in creating a deficit from diet rather than exercise, and that if 1800 calories a day wasnt helping me to lose, then to go 1600, if that didnt 1400, then 1200. If Im suppose to do that with diet alone, what happens when I lose a bit of weight and my body stabilizes to that new weight and calorie amount?

Granted Im stuck now to begin with and Im not a doctor, but if you have to go so low, then arent you doubly screwed when your body readjusts to that? If at 180...something ...I had to eat 1200 calories a day to lose weight...what happens if I do manage to drop to 170 or 175...that 1200 would already be the bottom of the barrel without doctor supervision. And with the amount of real attention the endo gives, I doubt theyd be all that attentive to a dangerous diet. I mean if they were willing to put that much supervision in, they'd be looking at ways to treat the hypo.

Wouldnt it be better to look at other factors in the patient like if they still have hypo symptoms other than weight issues? Im sure there are a lot of people that use thyroid issues as an excuse not to do anything, but if the other symptoms are still there....you would think the doctors would think thats a clue that things arent right.

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8/27/09 3:25 P

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Actually no! My dr. told me the opposite, I told her I was eating about 1300/day and she recommended that I eat at least 1600 calories/day.
I don't see 1000calories as realistic. Perhaps if you didn't workout you could do 1100 once or twice a week, but I don't think it is a life long thing that you can do.

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8/27/09 3:16 P

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My Endo is a protein pusher. Restrict calories has never come out of his mouth. Do you know what your numbers from you last bloodwork are?

Mary

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Wow, I don't see how anybody could make it on that, especially if you are exercising too!

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8/27/09 2:55 P

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I went to an Endocrinologist yesterday after being SO frustrated with my previous doctor. The first thing out of his mouth after he said hello was "your thyroid condition has been UNDER treated, and we have a long way to go to get you back in a normal range". He also told me that he felt that the only way for me to lose weight was to SEVERELY restrict my calories. I've been staying between 1,200-1,500 calories a day. He thinks that a VERY low calorie diet is the only way. I don't agree, I think that it's starvation! He is NOT the first doc to tell me this. How do you live on 1,000 calories or less for the rest of your life? Has anyone else been given the same crappy advice?

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