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See, we all have so much to share. I like Carol's ideas of planning. I've missed some of that in my life which gives me a bit less freedom now than I'd like to have, but I still have time to shift and I'm always looking to better myself!!

I have a client!!! It's a referral from someone I know from the barn. They are a start up that really needs some help with bookkeeping. I'm working up a proposal now, and the sticking point is how much to charge......so I'm going with what I think is fair and will suggest a six month rate that then we could look at again and make sure then that we are both happy with it. And I have a meeting with another potential client the week of July 17th. This is really gonna work!!

OK, off to write the proposal.

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That's an awesome work and career history, CALGALFOX! Thanks for sharing.

Hello everyone! I am slowly doing my goals here in SP and taking it one day at the time. emoticon emoticon

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Haha - yes, I love our group. I will throw my two cents in about careers and career paths because I probably have the most experience of changing those paths. I believe you should do what you want, but look at what all the careers pay or what you can earn (if self-employed) to choose. Lead with your heart, control with your head!

I started out as a graphic artist, went to school for programming, accounting and couldn't decide so mixed and matched, got very technical, worked with businesses going bankrupt to save them, did software implementations...then had kids and was determined to stay home...but I am a worker.

That lead me to start-up a children's gym (like Gymboree, but on my own). That was very successful, so I started a toy company and taught parenting classes since, by then, I had two children and it allowed me a professional outlet but kept the kids with me. I did accounting on the side to keep up the practice.

I did the planning to start a 401k pension company, and lots of other ideas, but I decided the best money was to be a CFO which I've done now for the past twenty some years because the money is so good and I love the work. Always trying to find new pathways for a company to go down is a fun job for me.

Now we're a year + off of having enough put away to do what we want...this came sooner than expected because several of our financial plans have paid off. So I will say, do what you want and plan, plan, plan.

My husband and partner (coming on forty years - talk about old!) have always saved all we could. We've been fortunate to be on the same page and the same plan. We are both absolute in our support of whatever whim the other has for a new direction, location or whatever. My husband has changed careers as often as I have so we're really okay with jumping off a new cliff.

I am a true believer in doing what makes you happy...but doing it such that you make as much money as you can since it does buy freedom.

We are enjoying Bali right now and plan to return! I'd like to spend a month here exploring more, then go off somewhere else, maybe Viet Nam, then go to Jakarta and explore some more. That gets us around the visa issues.

I'm also thinking that I will work to get back to somewhere close to the shape I was in doing two hours a day of heavy exercise and twelve hours on the weekends. It will take some doing, but We're thinking a US road trip would be fun next year...

Laurie - LOVE the baby pic! Jay and Maureen are thinking maybe in five years... (It's still cool that our group brought the two of them together!)



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I just love this group!!! :)

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WOW, Heather, I love your insights. You and Carol always have such great things to say about career paths.

So here's my take on it. First of all, I agree wholeheartedly with everything Heather said. You must examine your values, your needs, your strengths, and your desires, and decide how those fit into a satisfying work life. And then you need to plan the path to get there.

My path was pretty different from Heather’s. I've also been working full time pretty much all of the last 34 or so years. (Good grief... when did I get so old!!) The only time I worked part time was when my kids were little and I was lucky enough to be able to stay home with them. And then during law school I worked part time, but I had to live on student loans to do that, and that's not something I would ever recommend.

I agree that you must find something you love to do and find a way to make a real living at it. My father used to tell me that all the time, but he also said that very few people manage to do it. Then you read stories about people who say at the end of their lives that they wish they had spent more time doing what they wanted, and less time doing what others expected of them. More time with family and friends, and less time at the office.

Jen, your art is beautiful and I know you're trying to move in that direction, so I would start with that. The problem with "working the cube," even if you make a nice paycheck, is that the paycheck is all there is. If you're not truly satisfied with the work or the environment, the paycheck will not buy you satisfaction for the long term, all by itself. Like Heather said, enjoy what you're doing, and the environment in which you do it will make all the difference.

You and I share experience in the printing and graphic arts trade, you on the artistic side, me on the production side. I loved working in printing, but it's hard on the body to do the physical work, and hard on the mind to have to be competitive ALL THE TIME. That said, a well-designed and produced printed piece can still hold my interest for hours. On the flipside, when I see something with mistakes or poor execution, it makes me crazy. Hazard of the trade I guess, even after being away from it for nearly 10 years.

For me, I didn't have a vision to a path to a creative endeavor like you do. Law was something I had thought about for YEARS, but never did because one thing after another "got in the way." Then in 2008, when I was close to turning 50 and my kids no longer needed a “mommy,” I did a complete re-evaluation of my life and career path and decided I didn't want to be in printing anymore. The industry has changed so much over the years, in ways I didn't like. I was also physically tired. Finally, I had spent the previous 5 years working in corporate environments that were rigid, had unrealistic expectations, were driven by stupid internal politics, and treated their employees like replaceable commodities. In short, I liked the work and the clients, but I hated the environment. (Heather, I know you can relate!)

But what to do next? That's when I decided I needed to be working for myself and my clients, without a "boss" and a timeclock. I could either buy a printing business, or go to law school. As you well know, printing lives on very thin margins and costs a lot of time and money to run and be successful. Law school was the much easier path, despite the crazy study hours and this barbaric tradition called the bar exam. So at the ripe old age of 49, I started law school, graduated in 4 years, passed the bar exam on the first try, and I've been in solo practice for about 3 and a half years. And I've never looked back, nor can I imagine doing anything else.

I know I've said this many times before, but if you have a talent at something (Jen = art, Heather = accounting) it's worth exploring to work for yourself. You get to make your own hours, go to work in your pajamas, pick and choose your clientele. Of course, there are downsides (lack of a regular paycheck being high on that list), and there is a pretty big learning curve, but it's still worth trying. Or, if not for yourself, then at least for or with someone who has like-minded values and desires. Yes, it will take a thing you love and turn it into work, but isn’t that better than stagnating in an environment you hate under someone else’s demands?

The best part for me? I get to travel pretty much whenever I want to go visit my beautiful granddaughter!! No worries about "vacation time!"

Don’t get me wrong, there are people who thrive in the office cube environment. I have several friends from law school who do it and they are doing really well. And Heather doesn’t mind the office environment, as long as it fits her values(!) and gives her some freedoms and a lot of responsibility that she’s earned along the way. I just don’t think you’re one of those people. But you will find your way, as Heather said.

Kind of interesting, I am in the process of writing a blog about that learning curve. I have a new website where I’m going to post it and link it to Facebook. I’ll post it here too.

And of course, I have to plug the website…. Check it out!
www.BoveingtonLaw.com

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Thanks, HEATHHILL! That same determination is needed here for our goals with SP. I have struggled for a long time with a low level depression and now I am trying again to reset my goals and help myself. What woke me up this time is needing a knee replacement and having it later this month so I am using SP to encourage myself. emoticon

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Jen, I worked like a dog in some jobs, and I worked less like that in other jobs, but I will tell you that fundamentally since I started doing work in accounting I generally like the subject of my work so it's a bit less like work. I've been at this full-time work slog for about 28 1/2 years now, which I find unbelievable. It's always work, but the environment makes all the difference. Also, getting past entry level work has helped to make it better work. That just takes time.......

My advice is to really look at what you like doing, and try to vision a path to a place where what you do to make money is in line with your values. My husband is an artist, as you know, and he is trying hard to finally make some money at it. And he says something like "I took my hobby and made it my work and now it's stressful like any other job". And there's some truth to that, but he's a heck of a lot happier trying to make money as an artist than he would be doing anything else.

For me, and here's some brutal honesty for you, I took a look at my husband and at me at around 3 years into our marriage (I was 28) and said if I ever hope to have any money it's up to me. He cares very little for actually making money but sure does love to spend it. If we didn't have it, he wouldn't spend so much, but you get the idea. I actually wanted a decent house and to be able to travel and to have decent cars, so I just decided I would be the breadwinner, and I picked a lucrative career, went back to school, became a CPA and did well financially. It happens that I'm pretty good at accounting and management, so that helps. That means, however, that I didn't get to stay home and raise my daughter at all. It means I missed a lot of events and just time with her in her younger years. It also means she gets to dance, and go to competitions, and academic camps, etc. So, I made that choice.

You'll find what works for you. Take some time and really think about your values. Then, pursue what you want to do that gets you out of that cube. You don't have to be conventional to have a good life with your needs met. But you do have to actively decide what your needs and values are and then proactively make choices and do the work to get you to where you will be happy.

And so ends my sermon....... :) You'll do great Jen. Just be true to who you are.

I'm so happy it's Friday!!!

Have a great weekend everyone!!!



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I'm not coping well with the stress over here... Heather I need a job like that, I'm at a loss as to how to find one

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Hi everyone! I'm just kind of giddy over how nice this job is. I know that after some period of time it will be a tad more stressful, but the woman I'm replacing and the staff here keep assuring me this is it.....it's not super stressful. I used to hear from people that they liked their normal jobs, and I thought it was all a myth. But, it's not a myth!!

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Ello ello, another day in the cube... I'm covering my boss's workload this week while she's on vacation so I'm trying to enforce my breaks so I don't go nutty.

I spent some time in Dad's pool yesterday cleaning it, and took Mom for a long walk in the woods this past weekend. Keeping my activity levels at a priority :)

Good luck with the home office Laurie and the CPA freelancing Heather! I need to get some good pinstriping practice going and work towards freelancing. This cube life is not for me, but then you all knew that I think :)


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Thanks, HEATHHILL! And again, congrats. emoticon I will be looking for a new job after my knee surgery and I know how hard it is to find a good job.

My goal today is to walk in the pool and I may do some breaststrokes too. It is small pool where I live . I need to just do it! emoticon emoticon

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Welcome COBEBU!! We chat here regularly, and we have other areas where people post up questions, workouts, etc. so look around and see what you find interesting. We are always so glad to have new folks adding to the conversation!

Back to the office job today. I'm glad to be here as I like my new employer very much.

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The best to you with your new home office, LMB-ESQ and HEATHHILL with your new job! emoticon Today is my first day in this team and I am looking forward to improving my health through swimming and walking. Have a safe and wonderful emoticon 4th of July.

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Hi all.... I have not been posting much but I have been reading.

I have officially moved my office to my home. I needed to get rid of a bunch of overhead... think in the neighborhood of $40K a year. Yes. It's insane.

I have been reeling with organizing while I try to keep up with my clients. It's coming together, slowly but surely. I guess it was good to do it around the holiday, because the clients don't typically have much going on.

Short post for now, but I now have a COMPUTER! permanently at home, so no more bother of posting from my phone. Hopefully I can be here more often!

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Good Morning!! I hope everyone had a great weekend. I'm having a good one so far. We had a fun weekend with family visiting and now we are recovering from all of the family visiting!! :)

Sydney and I are going to the mall right after I have a call with the company that is building my website. I'm so excited to start building a small CPA practice. I actually went to a new local distillery yesterday and on the tour I mentioned that I'm an accountant in the course of the conversation. As it turns out, the owners don't like their accountant and they are looking for an alternative.......so I'm going to stop by later this week to see about taking over their bookkeeping and tax work. We'll see.......

The call is actually now over, so I'm off to the mall!! Then home to work out and cook pizza on the Big Green Egg. Life is good......

Have a FUN and ACTIVE week!!!!

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