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3/15/15 1:04 P

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I'm currently reading this book, which was released at the end of last year. It explains that for diabetes the best way to eat is very low-carb. It also explains in detail why the American Diabetes Association and most of the medical establishment have been fighting this truth for so long.

www.amazon.com/The-World-Turned-Upsi
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3/14/15 11:45 P

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If you were to look at what I eat, you would probably say I eat mostly vegetables. That is certainly the largest volume of food I get. If you look at it by calories, you get a different picture. By calories, I eat 70% fat and split the rest between carbs and protein.

What I don't eat much of (anymore) is starchy carbs or sugar.

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3/14/15 11:16 P

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I got a fairly young doctor within the last year or so. He helped a woman go from 1500 units of insulin to no meds. He reccomended a book called "Eat to live www.drfuhrman.com/shop/ETLBook.aspx

It is primarily vegetables and beans. I think there is a small amount of meat. I somehow found his wife's blog. She had written a series "What is a healthy diet and why do you want one."

He says a balanced diet with meat grains and vegetables where dinner has to be hot is all marketing. It appears they eat mostly vegetables. I am working towards something like that. This guy is thin. When reading his wife's blog I found out he used to weigh 250 or so.

It has been interesting working with him.


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3/14/15 1:23 A

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Another thing that the "experts" never tell us, is that as diabetics, we must also watch our kidneys, and if the protein starts spilling over into the urine, we should be talking to our doctor RIGHT AWAY ! ! ! That happened to me and I backed off so much protein. My next lab work showed everything back to normal, but my doctor keeps a good eye on it and adds this to my quarterly lab req's....

They try to tell us that we should keep the fat low to almost non existent, but as long as it is healthy oils/fats, I think we need to balance that with the protein and keep the carbs low(er) It is fat that gives us satiety.

But of course that is just my opinion. We must each find our own ways, preferably under the watchful eye of our doctors. I am a firm believer in TESTING.

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3/13/15 6:20 P

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From that article it seems like the dietitians they surveyed know that too high carbs is bad, but I'm sure they will still recommend the high carbs to their clients. They were also low fat. I don't know how that would work. Their emphasis seemed to be on the protein.

I don't understand how the fats and proteins work, but it just doesn't seem to make sense to me to eat more carbs if the carbs are what turn to sugar in your bloodstream.



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3/13/15 1:30 A

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Linda,
thanks for passing this on. It is very interesting to me that they are still teaching this nonsense in colleges. I'm thinking of the ketogenic diet program at Johns Hopkins for kids with epilepsy, it is very successful and there do not seem to be any side effects for the kids who are on it. I wonder how people who write textbooks and teach at University level can ignore this information coming from highly respected medical schools.
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The problem is that the courses are still teaching that we need to eat 45 to 60 percent of our foods as carbs.... My nephew is in college and last semester took a course where he was taught that we NEED carbs.... our diets should be 45 to 60 percent carbs, and that our Brains needs carbs in order to function..... So he firmly believes this.

Another problem is that the Canadian and American Diabetic Associations advocate higher carb content in their recommended eating plans. When my dad was first diagnosed with T2 (in the early '70's,) was very limited as to how many carbs he could eat. Then the guidelines were changed and it almost killed a lot of people because it was so high.

I have heard that more and more studies have been done which prove the fallacy of high carbs, not just for T2 diabetics, but for EVERYONE. These results are slow to be accepted and the guidelines have not yet been corrected.....

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3/12/15 1:46 P

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Interesting topic, I'm sure there is quite a range of what dieticians eat, probably representing all types of diets ranging from ketogenic all the way to 0 fat and from animal-based all the way to vegan.
The sad thing is that too many people pay attention to what the majority does. Well, if the majority of people don't drive with their seat belt on (just an example) than I won't copy that. We all have the obligation to ourselves to learn, study hard (not just in college) and make wise decisions for ourselves and our loved ones.
With so much new info coming out in the field of nutrition I personally feel that the risks of being an early adopter are far less than the risks of being a late adopter as far as eating style. But our decisions still need to evidence-based, even if the evidence is not a tightly controlled double-blind study.
I agree that most dieticians and nutritionists are really trying to help people, at least when they first get into the profession, same with physicians. They may get discouraged later on and misled by professional organization (which are in bed with the industry).
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3/12/15 1:27 P

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The dietary advice given to all diabetics, as you point out, is not particularly helpful to most type 2 diabetics and will result in progressing to full beta cell burn out and insulin dependence.

I believe the reason for this is not some big conspiracy with drug companies to sell more drugs, but who the target audience for that diet is vs. who the majority of diabetics are (and who should be the target). If your target audience is non compliant type 1 diabetics, the advice might actually be helpful as it gives them a no calculation way to inject insulin and they don't have any beta cells left to worry about.

What is really needed is for the dietitians to catch up with the fact that most diabetics are type 2 and that there are better options to addressing them.

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3/12/15 1:19 P

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I just read an article where they had surveyed dietitians and nutritionists to find out what they ate for snacks, lunches and desserts. For lunch they said something about "heavy" grain like quinoa, for a snack a KIND protein bar, for dessert Cuties or dark chocolate. Those were the only higher carb foods they listed. Mostly they were saying to have protein. After reading that I had to ask, "Why do they eat that low carb and recommend higher carbs to people with diabetes than they had been eating before they were diagnosed." That doesn't make any sense to me at all.



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