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5/28/13 9:57 A

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I am so with you on BOTH these things, Amber. Have read a lot of Rand and can't stand her ideas or morality. Have my ups and downs in terms of Heinlein, but I LOVE this quote. Happy Tuesday!

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5/28/13 7:39 A

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Ayn Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, as well as numerous short stories and essays. She also wrote screenplays in the 40s - although I am not sure which ones. She is the founder of a philosophy called 'objectivism'. There is something very fortiesish about her work. But basically, she believes we are all on our own. She was from Communist Russia and so is against the idea of philanthropy and dependence. She started a foundation on Objectivism before she died. Her followers are really quite fanatical and it has a cult like feel to it. It's interesting to me how her ideas sound good but are ones that I don't think lead to any true or lasting success/happiness/fulfillment. Also, it seems to me she came to see the communist bugaboo around every democratic corner. I do not think she ever truly understood Americans.

Also, her fanatical followers managed to get 2 movies made based on Atlas Shrugged. They were so boring I couldn't make it through and fell asleep.

It is a fear based philosophy which owes it's attraction to the idea of man as an independent and individual force owing allegiance to no one other than his own self.

Unfortunately, no one, most especially Ayn Rand, gets where they want to go, without assistance.

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Well now I'm curious. I don't know who Ayn Rand is but now I will be forced to look her up!!

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"I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." ~ Heinlein

I love Heinlein. He was an unusual man and had a lot of uniquely liberal views for a man who was probably fundamentally conservative. Maybe a label can't be put on him at all and maybe labels shouldn't be put on any of us. I believe he was just supremely practical - a man of his time - as well as a man who could look to the future - in every way - not just technologically.

I love the idea of personal responsibility not so much because it is a morally correct position but because it is an empowering position. To me, the use of the pronoun 'I' is worth noting. He doesn't say that YOU are responsible for your lot in life and so take care of all your problems yourself. I think it matters what directions we apply ideas - whether we apply them to ourselves or to others - in other words things we use in our own personal philosophy aren't necessarily standards we should hold others to - because it's not about being right - it's more about what works.

A writer who might seem like Heinlein who has gotten some attention recently in the political arena is Ayn Rand. People who know me laugh at me because although I have read and even listened to her work several times I despise her. I studied her work and considered her ideas the same way other people would analyze a horrible disaster so that they could better understand how something so terrible could have happened. LOL


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