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11/3/18 8:32 A

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I always find myself trying to make meals from my freezer. I have a ton of stuff in it, and I like to keep it rotating. But then I find a good sale and stock up again. Oh well, most of the time it works. I usually try and think of what I'm going to make for dinner in the morning, and if it requires other stuff, stop by the store on the way home.

I also started getting "Imperfect Produce" which is mail order organic veggies. This keeps my veggie selection different all the time! We had beets a few weeks ago - not very keto, but delicious! I keep these to a minimum.

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11/3/18 1:12 A

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> I survived my 1st grocery shopping trip!

OT, But one way to stick to the diet is to meal plan. Myself, I print out recipes and buy only what I need with the recipe. I did spend $149 two nights ago (: but that was because my refrigerator had a cucumber, half a red pepper, an avocado, some artificial sweetener water enhancers, half a pound of frozen sausage, and not much else in it, I've switched to sardines to my midnight snacking, and I finally cooked enough recipes to need to buy some new spices, instead of trying to use up the ones that were older than the dog! :D

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11/2/18 9:22 P

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I’m sure it will get more popular as people start asking for it more

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11/2/18 8:41 P

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Thanks, Holly. That's an interesting article.

I just got off the phone with Blue Shield to check coverage and they weren't very helpful. She said it would be like any other blood work, so would be covered, but she didn't seem too sure. She put me on hold 5 times. It's so exhausting dealing with insurance. I need a drink now! emoticon

I searched the lab's website and they said it's not available at all labs because it requires "specialized instruments". I guess I'll wait until I see my Dr. but it probably won't be covered because the lab says it's not recommended to be "diagnostic". It's used mostly in research and for people who don't show obvious risk factors.




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11/2/18 7:11 P

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I believe its LDL C and LDL P. here is a good article on it..
www.ruled.me/the-ketogenic-diet-and-
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olesterol/


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Does anyone know the name of the test for the fluffy vs. dense cholesterol?

I made an appointment today to get my cholesterol checked (and to talk to my Dr. about doing Keto.) The nurse who wrote out my lab order didn't know what I was talking about. I'm curious if my insurance would pay for the density test and if so, I'd like to get it.

My cholesterol is something like 230 (I forget the number) but it was just one or two points below where they recommend medication. My Dr. suggested medication but I wanted to see if I could lower it on my own first. Now I've lost 25 pounds in 2 months so I HOPING that will at least lower it a little.


P.S. I'm not doing Keto, just low carb. If my Dr. gives me the go-ahead, then I'll go Keto. I have more confidence in trying it now since I've already learned that carbs = hunger.


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11/1/18 9:33 A

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HAT_WRIGHT,
if you've made it to the end of day 3 that is a great milestone. Almost the very hardest part. If you've not felt weak, or dizzy you are doing great, and even if you've felt that way it is part of the process.

Don't push yourself physically for the next 2 weeks, just do the minimum.

As for cholesterol, as you've probably read, people with cholesterol problems have those problems because internal cholesterol generation is out of whack, and about 80 to 85% of your cholesterol is internally generated, and 15 to 20% from food.

Its consuming a lot of carbohydrates that impacts the internal generation, so eating Keto is actually very good for making your internal cholesterol situation better.
www.healthcentral.com/article
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11/1/18 5:36 A

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HAT_WRIGHT: Congrats - nice work! You can do it!
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10/31/18 5:37 P

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Great job!! You are rockin it!!

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10/31/18 5:05 P

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Thanks Everyone for the responses. This is why I love SP!! People actually care! Going strong so far, 3 days, and I survived my 1st grocery shopping trip! emoticon

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10/31/18 4:58 A

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The more I read about cholesterol and diet, the more I'm convinced that I'll wait for something conclusive. One keto article points out that most cholesterol studies are done on Americans on the typical American diet, which we know isn't healthy for you. The typical American diet has high levels of carbohydrates, and these excess carbohydrates are converted to triglycerides, which is fat. That's certainly noise that's not helping us understand how low carb / high fat diets affect the body.

https://mysugarfreejourney.com/day-14-th
e-ketogenic-diet-and-heart-disease/
https://www.livestrong.com/article/53638
4-ketogenic-diet-and-heart-failure/
https://www.tasteaholics.com/news/the-ke
to-diet-and-cardiovascular-health-risk
-factors-16879/

I'd like to see more studies on the long-term effects (we're talking decades here) of a keto diet. The closest I've found was a study on GLUT1. "GLUT1 deficiency is the technical term for what some medical practitioners are now calling diabetes 3. Its the brain cells insulin resistance or a deficiency of glucose transport to brain cells."

http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/study-l
ong-term-high-fat-ketogenic-diet-is-he
althy-and-safe/

Unfortunately, with most dieters failing to stay on their diets, I dunno if there are many studies on the 10+ year effect of any diet. (We've certainly found out, however, the result of the USDA telling us that saturated fats are bad for you.) This doc certainly hasn't found a long-term study on keto.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/keto
genic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-di
et-good-for-you-2017072712089

However, of the low carb diets, the Mediterranean Diet has been studied the longest, including less heart disease. Myself, I find measuring heart disease more useful than measure cholesterol levels because I think dying is a good way of knowing if you are alive or not.

https://heartuk.org.uk/cholesterol-and-d
iet/mediterranean-diet
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes
tyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-d
epth/mediterranean-diet/art-20047801

EDIT: Actually, there's one study of a diet that indirectly tells us the impact of saturated and other fat in our diet -- and it's the American one. Ever since we were told to cut out saturated fats and thus fats in general, we've been consuming more carbohydrates and increasing obesity. While this is a cultural study rather than a controlled one, it again shows the result of a higher carbohydrate diet that (might) have less saturated fat.

France is well known for its low rates of heart disease, despite a saturated fat diet that they're not supposed to have, at least if you listened to American nutritionists. OTOH, Researchers attempting to explain these low rates have, like in any cultural study, found several food, health, and cultural differences between the American (and British, a common cultural comparison) diet and French, such that they were hesitant to isolate single variables (or at least admit the American nutritional advice we've been receiving could be wrong!).

Here are two articles mentioning French cholesterol which... come to different conclusions. I disagree with the New York Times article, because it doesn't consider that a Western diet is a high carbohydrate one. One thought, though, is to study various different cultural studies (eg. Chinese, Japanese) and see if these studies have any commonalities.

http://www.thincs.org/Malcolm.French.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/22/healt
h/personal-health-paradox-or-not-chole
sterol-in-france-is-on-the-rise.html



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10/30/18 2:22 P

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Hi HAT - I just had my yearly labs done. Everything excellent except LDL (259). My insurance does not pay for the fluffly/dense differentiation test, so I just ignore it. The longer science evolves, the more LDL is a meaningless number.

Did you know 77% of people admitted to an emergency room for a cardiac related problem have normal cholesterol?

My sister - 120 lbs overweight has a total cholesterol of 150something. Her doctor is happy. But she is always short of breathe, can't stand for more than a few minutes at a time and has a myriad of other health issues.

Mine is over 300 total (I have great HDL and low trigs) and my ratio is great. Even so, my doctor said that since everything else is great, there is no need for statins. So medicine is slowly changing. Good - because I wouldn't have taken it anyway.

Eat Rich, Live Long (Cummings/Gerber) and Cholesterol Clarity (Moore) and there are other books out there that also say this, with scientific studies to back it up.

By the way - my doctor says my labs are "like a teenage". emoticon

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Hi and WELCOME!!!

Mine has always been good..my total that is. its anywhere from 122-132. my HDL went WAY up with keto, and my LDL stayed around the same, but the ratio is perfect.tryglycerides are perfect, too. so for me its been great!!

some docs freak because many peoples LDL goes up with keto..but you have to do a different test to see if its the fluffy kind or the sticky kind..i dont know the exact terms..but there is a book called Cholesterol Clarity that explains it all well..i'm sure you could get it at the library!! or order it from Amazon..

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emoticon HI Gang! SO my hubby and I started Keto because we both need to lose weight. 120lbs for me, 70 for him. I also started because my doc recently diagnosed me with high cholesterol, and wants to put me on meds. That has these side effects are 1-weight gain, 2-brain fog(I have fribromyalgia, this is something I already experience) 3-develop type 2 diabetes WHAT!! emoticon

I know cholesterol is something I can control to a certain degree with diet and exercise, and recently discovered the KETO is great for cholesterol?!?!?!?! emoticon

SO excited--so I was wondering what others have experienced with their cholesterol since starting KETO.

Thanks in advance!! emoticon

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