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6/13/18 1:53 P

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KD thats the thing. I know i eat stuff that isnt the best..i do it on special occasions..for instance when i first started keto i bought carbquik. it makes WONDERFUL cheese biscuits. I keep it in the freezer..lets see, i made them for both thanksgivings, both christmases, and both easters i've been keto. Technically, you can fit them in, till you look at the ingredients. now, when i bought the box, i thought it was fine..it was being recommended all over.
then i joined a couple facebook groups where people are more concerned about health (the one that is run by ketovangelist was my first) i remember someone asking about a roll or bread sub for christmas, and, thinking i was helping.. said the carbquik ones were great. One of the admins messaged me, and told me why it wasnt good or acceptable, but i dont waste stuff, so i use it for special occasions. the box will probably last me 10 years lol.
Soy products are extremely inflammatory. I was using soy sauce regularly..i love chinese food. it was a sad day for me when i found out it was the culprit that was slowing my loss in my first 6 months. someone suggested coconut aminos..so i switched.
i have some natural sweeteners. a little stevia or erythritol or monkfruit here and there. I know they are now suggesting we use none..but i literally hate keto food. i'm a carb queen, and would rather have mashed potatos than steak. pasta. fresh warm bread...fruit is my greatest sadness to not be able to have. and i know those are totally gone..and i really get close to zero pleasure from whats left..so if a little swerve is going to give me a small bit of something that tastes good to me, i'm going to have it once in a while.
This, from Keto Summit, on soy products:
Here are a few reasons why soy is bad for your health.

It could mess with your hormones
Soybeans contain phytoestrogens.

They’re a type of plant hormone which is similar to estrogen.

And they confuse your body by binding to the same receptors as your own estrogen.

Which throws your hormonal system off balance…

And that affects everything from your immune system to your bodyweight.

This is more of a problem with soy milk than soybeans, because the plant hormones are more concentrated in soy milk.

It contains gut irritants
There are problematic substances in soy milk called phytates and lectins.

They’re found in many grains and legumes as part of the “defense system” which plants use to stop themselves being eaten.

Lectins cause trouble for your health because…

They may cause inflammation and leaky gut syndrome.
They can interfere with nutrient absorption and disrupt the balance of your gut bacteria.

And in summary: they act like toxins in your body.

Phytates are just as troublesome…

They bind to dietary minerals like iron, zinc, manganese and that binding prevents your body from absorbing those minerals.

Which is why you’ll hear them referred to as “anti-nutrients”.

And again, these phytates and lectins more concentrated in soy milk than soybeans.


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6/13/18 12:20 P

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As Holly mentioned bacon can have sugar too. But like mayonnaise, in such small quantity that in my opinion there are other things in whatever that food might be, that are of more concern, like processed oil in mayo.

I eat mayo with boiled eggs sometimes, or get a bun-less burger and Wendy's and ask for two packets of Mayo to put on it, like KDGIRL I'm not a purist when it comes to oil, though others can be if they wish to.

A list of a few things which can have a trace of sugar:

Pork sausage:
www.eatthismuch.com/food/view/pork-s
au
sage,932/

1.4% of the weight is sugar

Mayonaise:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/
custom/64
8859/2

Under carbs there is a "~" which I presume means less than 1% of the weight. But sugar is on the ingredient label, so I guess they've added a trace of it.

Bacon:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/
pork-prod
ucts/7676/2

Under carbs, for 100 grams you find 1.4 grams, so also 1.4%

In other words, virtually everything will have a trace of carbs. In the case of pork sausage and bacon you have to think that a little was added. If mayonnaise has sugar on the label, you'd have to guess that it was added too. But the fraction is so small.



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6/13/18 12:08 P

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I love mayonnaise. The Hellmann's I use has soybean oil in it. I don't use it every day, but when I want mayo, it's my go to. I bought a (very expensive) jar of avocado oil mayo that has no soybean oil in it, but I don't care for the taste. So I'm trying to use it up by mixing it half and half with the Hellmann's.

Also, most dressings have soybean oil in them. My thoughts are do we have to get so nitpicky that we make everything so as to avoid soybean oil, or is it one of those "less than desirable but better than could be" items. Everything is a trade off. If eating mayo once in awhile would kick me out of ketosis (it doesn't) or make me stop losing weight (I'm losing but slowly) I could give it up. There's just so much that I have given up to eat keto that sometimes I just go with zero carb maybe a little more processed than I would like.

How strict do we have to be to successfully employ keto? That probably is a very individual answer in each person's case.

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6/13/18 10:47 A

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I am not "strict" keto in that I will eat some mayo that have sugar added, but still have low carb counts on occasion. For me the difference between using avocado and using mayo isn't about the carb count, its about the presence of cane sugar. Cane sugar, for me, can and does cause desire for more sugar/sweet, and can cause inflammation, even in small amounts (as Holly pointed out, in bacon or smoked meats is negligible). So, I guess my basic answer is I do occasionally eat mayo, but I try to get one without sweetener or make my own. And I don't shy away from eating *some* avocado, but I do limit how much.

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well i dont like avocados, either...i just use butter. but i see a LOT of the people on the forums, and the experts, using less avocado due to the carb count..and telling people its fine, but in small quantities only, due to the now accepted total not net carb thing..personal choice i guess.

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JWCOLBY says he uses avocado rather than Mayonnaise to avoid the sugar in Mayo.

As I look up the nutrition for avocado:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/
fruits-an
d-fruit-juices/1843/2

it shows that 100 grams have 8.5 grams of carbs. If you don't discount fibre from your carb count, isn't this more than Mayo?

If you do discount fibre of 6.7 it gets down to 1.3, and then it might be about the same a Mayo.

Thoughts?

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i do not. but i know there are some things that are fine with trace amounts of sugar, such as bacon. it lists sugar because its used in the smoking process, but you really get NONE. so its ok. this is an often brought up discussion on the facebook forums. I think they would be more concerned with the canola oil, or in many brands of mayo, the soybean oil, than a trace amount of sugar.
I do know many, many strict keto-ers make their own mayo...

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JWCOLBY brought up the issue that Mayonnaise lists sugar as an ingredient,

I think it is traces of sugar. Ingredient list go from most to least quantity. My Hellman's mayo lists:
1. Canola Oil
2. Olive Oil
3. Water
4. Liquid whole egg
5. vinegar
6. liquid egg yolk
7. salt
8. sugar
9. spices
10. concentrated lemon juice
11. calcium disodium edta

My nutrition label shows 0 grams per 15 ml (roughly 15 grams), My think that the sugar is so low that one need not worry about it.

Do others consume Mayonnaise?

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