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thats the biggest problem, Karen, it would be nice if it did all work the same. i personally think genetics has a lot to do with things, too...we all are programmed a little differently. i'm never going to be tiny thin..i'm half german and robust. i have a very large frame, and obviously built for difficult winters and childbirth. my friend from china is tiny and slight..she has a small frame..and she can pack food away like nobodys business and has never been larger than a size 4. no matter what she eats. i look at a picture of food and gain weight..LOL!!

Alana it took me a long time to be ok with eating all the fat and no fruit. how many times have we heard how good fruit is for us..noone ever told us its really just sugar. and how many times have we heard the fat is bad thing! its so hard to unlearn and accept things we have heard our entire lives. and yes, you CAN and will do this. i have the utmost faith in you!!

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Wish I could get rid of the 'Psychology of Eating the Old Way' monkey on my back. Or, perhaps if the Keto Angel on my shoulder would get louder.

Just sayin'

Edited to add: I know I can do this. I just need to do this. LOL

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I do not have enough time in the day to do all the research I would like to do - so I appreciate the Cliff notes on carbs and fiber. I have already determined that artificial anything is not the best choice. And really, the one most basic keto rule is 20 grams of carbs or less.

So who are you cheating when you count net rather than whole? Only yourself..... I'm not trying to figure out the easiest way to do this WOE. Just the right way. But as Holly has said - not everything works for everybody. It sure would be easier if it did, then you could just buckle down and do "it".

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5/8/18 10:24 P

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Thank you, James.
It is so difficult to read all these conflicting reports from so many experts in the health fields.
We all need to do our research, try and try and try, until we find what works for us to live the healthiest way we can and then stick to it.
I am a work in progress.
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Wow, interesting. I was on board with the carbs - fiber and sugar alcohols = net carbs... but I think I might just go with full carbs, and stay away from sugar alcohols. I've not had any of those yet this go 'round, but back in the day I used to have sugar free Russel Stover candies all the time.

I've become more and more averted to chemicals in my foods. Last year when I went back to Atkins, I used his old book and did not buy any of their prepackaged stuff. Nothing. I opted for real foods... but I was subtracting fiber.

I do appreciate you posting this, James. I had no idea the net carbs thing had... "issues."

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thanks James!

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Termites for example eat wood because they can extract calories from wood fibre.

In theory we can't, but is it really zero energy from fibre?

There is insoluble fibre (roughage) and soluble fibre. The latter turns gelatinous when it gets wet, and helpful bacteria in our gut do extract calories from soluble fibre. Again do we really get none from soluble fibre?

Here is one article on net carbs, not a Keto article, but I think still with merit:
www.webmd.com/women/features/net-car
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To quote this article:
"Fiber and sugar alcohols have a minimal effect on blood sugar."

Here is another one:
vitals.lifehacker.com/what-net-carbs
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To quote this second article:
"So, neither fiber nor sugar alcohol is truly a zero-calorie food."



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It is a fuzzy area. Carbohydrates are complex molecules built from:
- C (Carbon)
- O (Oxygen)
- H (Hydrogen)

The simplest carbohydrate is a collection of these, and from what I found on the internet is a mono-saccharide with 3 Carbon, 3 Oxygen, and 6 Hydrogen.

They just get bigger and bigger, the starch amylose has 3 Carbon, 17 Oxygen and 15 Hydrogen.

Depending on the organization the body can extract energy from these chemical bonds, or not, or maybe only partly. The approximate rule of 4 calories per gram of carbs, is an approximation. Here are some more exact values:
- sugar (3.87)
- fructose (3.68)

With some digging one can find very precise numbers.

Then comes fibre. It is also a carbohydrate. The "theory" is that fibre can't be broken down by the human body for digestion. Then you have to ask yourself ... really? What makes a slightly different arrangement of C,O and H not digestible? Is it really such a hard line? This type isn't digestible at all, and this type is? Not even a little bit of energy can be extracted?

Lets face it, where to these precise numbers of calories per gram come from? Basically burning the food and measuring heat produced. How close is that to human digestion?

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