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Right. So just to clarify (for anyone new to fasting), you actually break your fast with BPC, not use it to stay "focused during IF."

There are a great number of people new to keto and IF who believe that they're still in a fasted state while drinking BPC and do so all day because it's filling ("keeps them from getting hungry and helps them focus") when, in fact, with their BPC they've ingested a minimum of 200 calories and 26 grams of fat (which is exactly why they are never hungry, and it's the instant ketones from coconut oil/ketones that increases mental focus)... definitely not fasted, and autophagy has effectively been side-lined.

As I said, I love BPC, and often use it to break my fast, or as a meal replacement to keep my fats high, or to boost my energy levels and mental focus, but BPC stops a fast, it doesn't help you extend it.




Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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Right but I don't usually have my coffee until 10 am --- which is around 10-14 hour fast depending on when I ate last. It's not a first thing thing. My first thing thing is working out and water, water, water!

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I love BPC, and I drink it regularly to keep my fat to protein ratio high, but if you 're looking for the physiological benefits that fasting gives you, just be aware that BBC breaks your fast.


Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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I love coffee and I make bulletproof coffee with MCT and cacao butter.
It gets my day going and I am focused during IF.

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So, apparently the coffee controversies continue, and coffee is a trending topic for anyone concerned with health markers, I'm offering these articles here, as they each offer some food for thought with regard to keto:

Coffee Questions
www.marksdailyapple.com/coffe
e-questio
ns/


Do Coffee Brewing Methods Matter For Health?
www.marksdailyapple.com/do-co
ffee-brew
ing-methods-matter-for-health/


Does Coffee Break an Intermittent Fast?
www.marksdailyapple.com/does-
coffee-br
eak-a-fast/


14 Ways to Make Coffee Healthier
www.marksdailyapple.com/14-wa
ys-to-mak
e-coffee-healthier/


Coffee and Cancer
www.marksdailyapple.com/coffe
e-and-can
cer-beef-cheeks-paleo-pancakes/


New Coffee Study
www.marksdailyapple.com/big-n
ew-coffee
-study-letting-a-fever-run-it
s-cou
rse-collagen-dosage/


Coffee Alternatives for Liver Health
www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-
mark-coff
ee-alternatives-for-liver-hea
lth-v
itamin-c-gelatin-vs-collagen-nac-
m
y-favorite-way-to-cook-greens-and-pot<
BR>ato-starch-breading/


Coffee Talk
www.marksdailyapple.com/coffe
e-talk/


The Definitive Guide to Coffee
www.marksdailyapple.com/the-d
efinitive
-guide-to-coffee/


...and playing Devil's Advocate, LOL:
Blue Light: Better Than Coffee?
www.marksdailyapple.com/blue-
light-bet
ter-than-coffee/





...I'm still trying to figure out where I need to personally land on the coffee issue... I love it, but is it really in my own best interests, and how can I hack the issue to get the benefits, without the problems.... I'm starting to lean heavily toward light roast, French press. We'll see...





...and for anyone who still thinks a banana is a cardinal keto sin:


www.ketovangelist.com/choosin
g-your-ke
to-method-clearing-up-the-con
fusion/


& Choosing Your Keto Method: A Study in Pictures
www.ketovangelist.com/choosin
g-your-ke
to-method-a-study-in-pictures/



The real point is, don't rely on anyone else to manage your keto journey for you.

Do your own due diligence (don't take on keto with only a vague idea of losing weight quickly and a set of numbers from a keto calculator), and then KETO ON with the confidence that you know what you need to know to manage and trouble-shoot your own journey.

Listen to your body, and find that place where your metabolism, hormones and nutritional approach find harmony.



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Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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My connection to Dr. Furhman is only with regard to his fasting protocols, which synch up well with Dr. Fung, but are more detailed for long-term fasting.

I really can't support his take on nutrition, and I personally find the basis for his ideas out-dated.

There are a very rare few people who are successfully vegetarian and keto, and the resources are out there, but I haven't spent any time figuring that out. Most who are vegetarian keto do acknowledge that it's a but more work. I believe Martina Slajerova of KetoDietApp (very solidly keto) provides some free vegetarian keto meal plans.

While I respect anyone's choices to provide optimal nutrition for their own body, personally, I don't see the need to exclude meat (I have to exclude so much already). I also believe that a diet which includes a moderate amount of good quality, responsibly produced meat is nutritionally superior to a vegetarian diet (according to current research, micronutrients in animal products are more bioavailable than those in plant material). I tried to do vegetarian years ago, and my health deteriorated exponentially, and it took a long time to regain the ground I lost.


Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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I like Dr. Fuhrman, "Eat To Live", I like his idea of getting the most nutrition for the least calories, which in my mind cuts out sugar and other high carbohydrate things in the most logical way.

You avoid those things not simply "because they are carbohydrates", you avoid those things "because they are nutritionally empty calories".

But he is a vegetarian, and I have trouble getting my protein without extra carbs at the same time. Meat just does that with zero carbs (or pretty near zero). Vegetables don't do that. So I'm not sure how to deal with that.

If one is a vegetarian, how do you get enough protein and still be Keto? Eggs?

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From Dr. Furhman (who uses fasting extensively in his practice for healing): "One cannot achieve the powerful benefits of complete fasting if any sort of nutrition is included. If any sort of nutrition is included that body cannot enter the "protein-sparing" fasting state. Also the powerful anti-inflammatory properties of a pure water fast, essential for the healing of autoimmune illnesses cannot be mobilized."

I do dairy-free keto, so to get that creamy texture in my BPC it includes, coconut oil, butter and 2 egg yolks (a la Mark Sisson)... definitely breakfast/meal... and would most certainly break any fast... as does any other version of BPC.

I love coffee... the taste, the smell, the warmth, the associations... BPC coffee is keto approved comfort food for me... and BPC is essentially a fat delivery system, LOL... the coffee itself is incidental. You can use any hot beverage the same way.

When I'm fasting I drink only water/mineral water.




Edited by: _RAMONA at: 3/29/2018 (19:02)

Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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Ramona,
I too drink my coffee with just cream. I like the taste and texture.

I've not had bullet proof coffee, which is like caffeine plus extra fat. For some folks wanting to eat Keto, but not having enough dietary fat, this can be a way to add fat to their diet. So that is interesting to have decaf bulletproof coffee. A way to have more dietary fat, even if the caffeine is something you don't want.

I wonder too if fasting is really fasting if you drink your calories, and young babies, drinking only mother's milk certainly drink their calories.



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James, in terms of your question, "Do you think coffee increases ketone production, or in some way aids in ketosis?" I think this is the key takeaway from the video: "while both ketones AND glucose rise when i drink coffee and 4 hours later ketones keep higher and glucose normalizes... and that caffeine at doses of 2.5 & 5.0 mg/kg stimulated safe and mild ketonemia in *healthy* adults to a ketone level twice that seen after an overnight fast."

I've always been a coffee drinker (always with cream), but years ago (when I wasn't keto) I had to switch from caffeinated to decaf, because I found the caffeine upset my hormonal balance in some way... I always thought that it was my adrenals most impacted, but now I wonder if it was the rise in blood glucose that may have contributed to exacerbating my insulin resistance, which then caused a hormonal cascade, and subsequent weight gain.

Now eating ketogenically, I still drink coffee (decaf BPC), though not when fasting. I don't consider that still fasting... while it may help you stay mostly fasted longer (which is still a good thing), any calorie intake curtails the metabolic gains that come with water-only fasting past 18 hours... and I fast specifically for the metabolic/health gains. I have also found that I can now drink caffeinated coffee without backlash... but I'm also now well into menopause, and many of the things that disrupted my hormones as a younger woman just don't come into play anymore.

Right now I'm doing an extended fast, and I'm tempted to test my coffee response based on the video, but as I have some very specific health outcomes I'm hoping for, I think I'll wait until my next fast to test this dynamic for myself. I'm a little leery of how my body will react to the caffeine, and I don't want to disrupt the good thing I have going at the moment.

Like anything else, I think that whether or not coffee is *healthy* and whether or not it enhances a ketogenic WOE, depends largely on your own personal metabolic quirks and considerations, as well as the outcomes you desire.

There are several keto experts who don't recommend the use of coffee, simply because of the hormonal backlash it can cause for many people.

When it comes right down to it, whatever you do in light of a keto WOE depends much less on what you think and on what you think you know, and much more on how your body responds, and what allows you to make keto a sustainable lifestyle.

I like what STRNGNGRNDED said: " I plan on living my life, not the way I eat living me."


Edited by: _RAMONA at: 3/30/2018 (00:36)

Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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STRNGNGRNDED,
having a banana, along with other carbs during the day will probably put you out of ketosis, but just barely. I think that glycogen may come to the rescue.

One part of the brain needs about 20 grams of carbs a day. It only runs on glucose. The rest of your brain can run on ketones or glucose. If you eat no carbs your body will make glucose from protein for just that part of the brain that must have glucose. Eating a banana may mean that one doesn't need to generate glucose from protein, ... for about a day and a half.

The body can also store up to about 400 grams worth of carbs in glycogen. I think the bodies first priority for extra carbs, when in ketosis, is to refill the glycogen.

I hope that over the days the body will use up this glycogen just for that part of the brain. That certainly would make sense as it would save the body from probably the less efficient route of making glucose from protein for that purpose.

My impression of the body's "ketone fitness" is that when you initially cut carbs it is very tough. First the body uses the carbs last eaten, then body uses up carbs stored in its glycogen, just to keep using that primary fuel, and then when that is gone, reluctantly, and inefficiently starts to burn fat. Ketones are not fully burned and are "wasted" in urine. Over time the body burns fat and ketones more efficiently and fully.

At that point, I'm guessing that the body also has a harder time getting out of ketosis, just like it had a hard time getting into ketosis. So maybe it is not going to burn extra carbs for its primary fuel for movement and other things, but save extra carbs in glycogen, and then use that glucose for the part of the brain that absolutely needs glucose.

I know I'm rambling a bit, ... I somehow can't get this written was succinctly as I would like.


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Ramona,
that is an interesting video on caffeine and Ketosis.

Caffeine is something that some athletes take for performance. It looks like it mobilizes both fat burning, and carb burning. I think if you give little children coffee they get all hyper, so almost nobody does that. I'd have to guess that for children it is the sudden release of carbs in glycogen, practically like giving them a chocolate bar, that gets them all hyper. Even for adults who feel jittery after drinking coffee.

For someone already in ketosis, and and glycogen depleted, drinking coffee would not release carbs from glycogen as there is very little glycogen.



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Holly, I never said I thought a banana was part of the keto diet. i guess this is where the confusion came in. I simply stated I occasionally have a banana smoothie. Does it kick me out of ketosis? Probably. However, I probably get back into ketosis quicker because I fast. I just wanted to clear up that misconception. I really wanted to be a part of this team, but I didn't feel welcome. Cheat meals are acceptable. Maybe not for everyone, but I plan on living my life, not the way I eat living me. If I go to a wedding I will celebrate with them with a bite of cake; IF I choose. I get the impression that it's either black or white and the keto diet doesn't have to be like that.

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How Does Caffeine Affect a Keto Diet
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Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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What the heck is going on here?

Doesn't anyone want to talk about coffee?

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STRNGNGRNDED,
sorry things didn't work out. Bye.

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I'm very sorry you feel that way, Ramona. We only try to help here. We do try to explain, and to do it kindly. Sorry you feel otherwise. And nowhere will you ever find me saying i'm an expert, in fact, quite the opposite. I am careful to state that I, too, will always be learning. As i think we all will be.

We all have access to the same professionals. Not just me. Most are happy to answer questions, you just have to ask. If you would like names I would be happy to provide them for you so you can ask yourself. I've never insisted i was right. I provide links to the information I post, so people can look it up themselves.

Again..so sorry you find it necessary to act in this way, but I totally respect your right to state your feelings.

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Holly, I more than clearly understand what a ketogenic diet is, as well as the difference between simply being in and manipulating ketosis, and following a ketogenic diet/lifestyle. You'd have done better to explain that to the poster in question, instead of beating up on her for mentioning a banana.

Going in and out of ketosis isn't dangerous, nor is it going to harm your health... our bodies do it all of the time naturally, and there are some keto experts who feel that there's a metabolic/health advantage to 'carbing up' occasionally... and for some people good reason to do so.

There are two perfectly acceptable approaches to ketosis... the one that body builders have been using since the beginning of time, and the one that people use for health reasons, and to remedy obesity.

Just because you are well-versed in one, doesn't mean that you can in any way speak to the other (and clearly you can't), and I really don't see how beating up on someone with your all caps emphasis is helpful to anyone (I for one find it distasteful).

Which approach anyone follows is highly individual and based on any number of factors, and is completely determined by their personal goals. It doesn't make them wrong.

...and this high and mighty insistence that you are right until you're proven wrong (because you have access to so many professionals) is tiresome... and while you may often be technically right, you are very often wrong with regard to application in specific and individualized situations... which is precisely why I don't participate on this team with any regularity.



P.S. ...and you should have looked harder... you're wrong about this guy... he absolutely provides education about a ketogenic diet/lifestyle... and I didn't have to look far to find it.



Edited by: _RAMONA at: 3/30/2018 (00:32)

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Ramona..ketoisis is NOT a keto diet. As stated before. Here is an excellent article showing the differences, AND supporting what I said. which is NOT off the top of my head or "something some people need to learn". It is the accepted description of a keto diet. The conversation is taking place due to a member's feeling bananas are a keto food, and cheat days are fine and accepted..
i would think that you, having been one of the people that corrected me when i was new (and i was glad to know the correct information YOU gave me) would understand why we need to be careful to give out accurate information. From what i can see, this man is a bodybuilder, selling HIS plan to people..and it does NOT follow normally accepted keto protocol.

ketogenic.com/nutrition/difference-atkins-

ketogenic-diet/

this link tells the differences between atkins and keto...though both use ketosis, they are different plans with different protocols.

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Ironically:




How Does Caffeine Affect a Keto Diet
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYMKM
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...maybe there are still some things some people on this thread have to learn. Just sayin'...



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Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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Wow, his entire channel is about ketogenic diet




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Please note also:
There are many plans that use ketosis. Atkins is one. Atkins is NOT a ketogenic diet. It’s a low carb high protein diet. South Beach is another plan. Again, NOT a ketogenic diet.
The hallmarks of a true keto diet are:
High fat—at least double your protein
Moderate protein: 40-70 grams for women—the 70 being for extreme athletes. Most women should be between 40-60 gm a day
Very low carb: under 20 total carb grams a day. Some feel 25 total is acceptable, but most experts say 20.

Hope this helps..

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I just went to his site. There is ZERO mention of his marketed diet plan being keto. He wants you to eat more protein..keto is a moderate, very low carb, high fat way of eating.
I am in no way saying his plan isn’t a valid way of eating. It just doesn’t appear to be keto, nor does he claim it to be. The word ketogenic is not mentioned on his site at all.
Check out these respected sites for the keyogeniv way of eating:
ketovangelist
Diet doctor
Ruled.me
Mariamindbodyhealth
Common Sense Keto

While most have coaches available for a fee, keto information is readily available at no cost to everyone who wants to find it. Ketovangelist will send you free food lists of keto approved foods.
Again, I know of no respected keto site or coach that would ever suggest that cheat meals are ok. They are NOT. They will derail you, kick you out of ketosis, and doing that often can harm your health.
I don’t know this mans plan. But I do know it’s not keto.

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Strng...no one has asked you to leave. We just ask that you understand that we all have a responsibility to post correct information. I do not know ANY true keto group that allows for or endorses cheat meals. Keto is not something you go on for a short time then go off.
If you overeat carbs you will go out of ketosis. Never a good thing on keto. The accepted carb limit as posted by experts is 20 total carbs..some allow for 25. But I’ve not seen any current figures for more than that.
If you can tell us where you are getting your information we can check it out. No one here wants to see anyone getting (or giving) misinformation. As I’ve said before..when I started here I thought heavy cream and cheese and eggs had zero carbs, because the labels said zero. Kind people here pointed out to me that I was incorrect. I didn’t take offense..I want to do this the correct, healthy way. I’m grateful to all who corrected me.
You said you joined the group hoping to learn..as James posted links for you from valid sources, Not just people here making a statement. We can always back up what we tell you with respected sources. As I stated earlier, there are some borderline foods such as onions and blueberries that can go either way. Bananas aren’t one..there is NO question they are not keto, and posting it’s ok to have them is confusing to new team members who are learning.
I hope you WILL stay, and be open to learning. The team leaders have been at this long enough to have a good grasp on keto. I personally have worked with expert coaches and medical professionals. I do not know everything but I do have access to experts to question and get answers for the group.
The one thing we can’t, in good conscience, do, is stay quiet when misinformation is posted.
You are always free to eat as you wish. We will support you if you slip. We will applaud your victories. We just can’t support something that is so solidly NOT keto.


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I was really hoping to learn a lot from you all. I'm human; not perfect but I do know that everyone's carb level is different. While one is on a keto diet they are allowed cheat meals. Maybe this team isn't aware of this yet? Or prefer not to do this? However, it's been made apparent I am not welcome here. I will move on.

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you do what you like, stay or go, its really up to you.

I just don't want others to think that eating bananas fits into a Keto way of eating. It isn't just this teams idea or standard of Keto, that is simply how Keto is.

I googled "banana keto" with no judgement in the query, I didn't google "are bananas bad for keto" or anything like that, the neutral "banana keto" query.

Here are the top hits:
www.ruled.me/best-low-carb-fruits-av
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"Bananas have 25g carbs per 100g serving (the size of an average medium-sized banana), so you should not consider eating them when on a low carb, ketogenic diet."

Next link:
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On the avoid completely list:
"9) Tropical fruit (pineapple, mango, banana, papaya, etc.) "

Next link:
www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2t1yg
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would_a_banana_a_day_knock_me_out_ofR>_ketosis/

"perhaps for you ketosis is no longer the end goal so eating bananas would be ok. My maintenance keto is 20-30 net grams same as it has always been ..."



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JAMES, would you like me to leave because I occasionally drink a banana smoothie and apparently don't fit this teams keto standard?



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Agree..sometimes, you just have no choice! I preplanned a rare dinner out. Texas road house. I did my homework. Go there ordered a steak, green beans with bacon and mushroom. And a salad..oil and vinegar. The oil was vegetable. I ate it anyway. But the beans? Had sugar and onions. Left them. The mushrooms had something,.probably a little flour. I ate half. Sometimes it’s just futile..

Coffee. I can’t gave caffeine. So it’s a good thing I guess that I don’t drink it!!

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Thanks Holly - for being so real with your advice. I agree. You can't pick and choose if you're going to do keto today or tomorrow consistently - either you are or you're not. And then, like in real life, some things happen, or you accidently eat something you realize has non-keto food ingredients in it. I was eating a salad with my son the other week - it had bacon, eggs, lots of good veggies and oops - some tiny sliced up apple too. I tasted the apple, and wasn't going to spend 15 minutes picking out tiny pieces of apple just because. So I ate it, and didn't worry about it. That's life.

The Starbucks items I love are flavored lattes. Since I'm not doing milk or sweeteners, those are out. I could have an Americano (coffee with water?) or a tea or an espresso, but really, I just love the flavor of their coffee. I think it is excellent. I found a 2.5 lb. bag of Starbucks French Roast at Costco for $17 - you can't beat that. So I have my Starbucks, and love it, just cheaper at home!! BTW - they will put HWC in your coffee if you ask. They know keto and they know the difference!!





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James..i always wanted to walk into a starbucks and say give me a 6 pump mocha latte espresso matcha whatever....
truth is i've never been in a starbucks..LOL!! no clue what i'd order, i know there is a passion tea something with cream a lot of people do thats keto...but i'd be afraid of messing it up.

i did try a coffee i liked once. it was in a little can with a red and white lable..i believe instant coffee...and it was coffee and chocolate and caramel all mixed..and i think i got through half a cup..but the taste was wonderful...till it wasnt.

i used to beg my mom to let me open the metal coffee can when it was new. that smell...omg so wonderfull..i LOVE the smell of raw coffee. i so wanted to like how it tasted, but for me i think i'd have to have so much cream and sweet it would be a dessert!!

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Thats the way to do it KD Girl! plan ahead. If i am iffy i call ahead and talk to the chef. MOST chefs LOVE a challenge..and this one isnt hard even!! You are doing fantastic!!!

and thats my point on the info. Hang in you are doing great!! Remeber, Keto is first and foremost to get healthy. Once your body has healed, the weight loss will happen. and yeah it may be slow. But you have the reward of being healthier, and thats FAR more important than the weight going.

REALLY glad you and others can see that there is so much outdated info out there on keto. Its just exploded so fast that you can actually pretty much find people telling you whatever you want to hear...so you have to hold out for the ones that ARE doing it right, and the healthy way.

For everyone:

Putting yourself in and out of ketosis is NOT healthy...we all slip. It happens, but doing it on a regular basis just because you can do it "and still lose" is playing a dangerous game, and is NOT even close to keto. people playing with carb cycling and adding non keto foods are asking for trouble. Again, its totally up to the individual..its their body, their health--but for those trying to learn and do it correctly, its hard to see people saying "i do this and lose" when its totally AGAINST everything keto is based on.

and i want to clear up another misconception. I've seen a lot of people using the term "lazy keto"--not on this forum but on many others...Lazy Keto ONLY means you dont track..not that you eat as you wish. as in,.... you arent putting every morsel into a log. I, personally, do lazy keto 75% of the time. I will eat without tracking for 3 weeks, then log the 4th religiously. I eat the same foods over and over, am fully aware of their counts etc, and have great results...but that one week of tracking keeps me from slipping. Others track every single day. I did for MONTHS when i started, until i was comfortable with what i was eating. Again, it does NOT mean you can eat non keto foods. just that you arent logging every one.

Hopefully this clears a couple things up. We arent trying to be mean when we say this or that isnt a keto food...we are trying to give CORRECT information, so people that want to do it correctly, and reap the health benefits, arent getting misinformation.

James has a good food list on here. And i'm fully aware that some places say onions are ok, or blueberries, they are borderline, some experts say tiny quantities, others say absolutely NO. I prefer to er on the side of caution and go with the no. Others may want to test it and see...but those are BORDERLINE foods (and just an example) When we see foods posted that are blatently NOT keto, nor accepted in ANY keto way of eating, yes, we are going to point it out. Hopefully that helps those who are working hard to do it correctly, and want to gain all the benefits of keto.



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Subject: Economics of Coffee

I'm drinking coffee again this morning. I buy my capsules from COSTCO. They are 40 cents each (Canadian), that is about 30 cents US.

I used to buy the jug of water from the grocery store, about $5 for the water, and that ended up being 10 cents per coffee mug (I weighed the water in the mug). But I have a machine that has the jug put in from the bottom, not the top. So I refilled it with well water, so I figure the water costs nothing.

I have the water tested every year. They do that for free here, I think the county wants to support people living in the country. So I know its healthy. But if I was in the city it would be tap water there.

Back to coffee-nomics. So at about 4 cups of coffee a day that is something like $48 Canadian ($36 US) per month, not counting the cream. There is no way I could afford drinking Starbucks coffee, at something like $4 per cup, that would be $500 a month in coffee.

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I looked at that website and plugged in my numbers for keto - they had me eating more protein than fat. So there's that. And 26 gms of carbs. So outdated keto information for sure.

I agree. 20 grams limit on carbs. Double that for protein. (I'm a 5'2" woman) and double again for fat. I guess the thing to do now is track my grams and see where it fits.

My ketones were 1.6 again today, good nutritional ketosis, but no weight loss. Still, the struggle is getting less and less.

My husband and our neighbors want to go to an Italian restaurant for Easter dinner this year. That's new. I'm going to research the options, and have my meal planned out before I fall into the pit of bread pudding or any such.

Still drinking and enjoying very much my coffee.



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just one banana alone has too many carbs to fit into a Keto day.

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Every one is different. And every day is different. =)

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I just looked up carbs in a banana. One small banana has 27 carbs. More than an ENTIRE days worth of carbs. Which leaves less than no room to count the carbs in cream, cheese, any veg you might have, any nuts, etc.

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Please, for anyone new or struggling reading this..know that bananas are NOT keto. Not even in old information. The ONLY fruits that are keto are avocados, olives, and TINY amounts of strawberries, raspberries, and blackberries. And they (the berries) aren’t recommended unless you are at goal.

That said, as always, do as you wish. But do it armed with the knowledge that you may be choosing to eat something that may, and probably will, throw you out of or keep you out of ketosis.

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absorb what is useful
discard what is not
add what is uniquely your own


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STRNG...I agree with Fogfog..and most experts in keto would agree with us. 1700 cals seems much more reasonable. 50 grams carbs is not keto in ANYONES book. I've seen 30 max....20 is now the accepted..some can still lose well with 25..but thats total not net. 105 grams protein is more than a large man needs. Women are 40-75, with 75 being for EXTREME athletes. as in..training daily for the olympics or ironman.
CICO doesnt really work for most anyone, longterm, and you cant stick with it longterm.
50-60 on protein is fine...much more than that and you are asking for a stall or a gain. The fat numbers, however, are right on.
Please do not take my, nor Fogfogs word for it. Do some research on respected, up to date sites. Its ultimately your choice, but I know when i first started I was reading everything and SO confused, because they dont remove outdated information, they update in other places, but many leave the old up..I keep up with it through Ketovangelist, Common Sense Keto, and others.


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That is starvation mode, gosh...
Your fat should be higher than protein...like double
Most women do fine on 50 grams protein and at least 100+ grams fat with 20 grams carbs
Which calculator did you use?

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ps..the figures you got are reasonable except the fat should be higher. you may want to drop the protein some, too..if you arent seeing the results you want.

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strng how tall are you? i have NEVER seen it that low for most anyone..thats starvation

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please be aware that there are as many keto calculators as there are anything out there...you can get about any number you want if you look hard enough. Generally accepted macros from most experts are:

20 g TOTAL carbs
40-60 gm protein
the rest fat but at least double protein.

cals should NEVER be under 1200, and thats a VERY low number unless you are 4 foot nothing and do zero exercise. most come in around 1800-2000. here is a largely accepted calculator..
www.freedieting.com/calorie-calculator

never use the extreme fat loss number when doing keto. the fat loss number is the minimum you should have, but you can eat to the maximum and still have good, safe weight loss. min min is over 1700 calories...i usually do 18-1900. i have trouble eating enough to do what i should be.
I know this is contradictory to what we have been told forever, but so is eating all the fat we do.
www.freedieting.com/calorie-calculat
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the thing is. You can find articles to substatiate whatever you want to believe. we just need to wade through and do whats right for us. without being in Bob Harpers kitchen, we have NO idea how he eats or how he did eat. no matter what you choose to do, genetics plays a HUGE part in our health...we can temper it down or poke it like a skunk with what we put in our mouths and how much we sit on the couch. its possible he OVERexercised. his life may be terribly stressful.

i actually had a coach tell me to go off my cardiac meds. yeah..NO. i refused. i know if i do i die. literally. i have an arrythmia..caused by chronic Lyme disease. The meds keep me in rhythm, and prevent the tapdance. We all have to use our own heads. not follow ANYTHING blindly..especially when someone will profit from us.

edited to add..i have also had chiropractors tell me they could fix EVERYTHING..including my poor smashed up knee. Sorry, but it was in PIECES. there is no chiropractic fix that will put me back together again. They mean well, these experts. They SERIOUSLY believe in what they are telling us and mean NO harm, i'm sure. But in the end we need to do our OWN research, and come to whats best for us, and take that responsibility. I believe it in medecine, and in diet, and exercise. and in about everything.



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I looked for a connection between coffee and plaque build up in the arteries and saw nothing in the direction of helping or hurting in this area. Just neutral, like this article:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
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Bulletproof coffee might be a way of getting extra dietary fat into the body. Some folks do have problems eating enough fat on Keto, and this could be a way to bump that up. However, other folks want to loose weight and there is no strong reason to bump the fat up by drinking it.

I drink coffee, I drink it with whipping cream, not to raise my fat intake, but because I like the taste of it that way. I don't like just plain black coffee.

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I dont think BPC was the "cause" of his heart attack, correct?

Did they say what the cause was? Insulin is a bigger contributor to heart disease than cholesterol. And the CICO Biggest Loser thing--they got sued.

Dr Fung discusses why CICO doesn't work and why keto etc helps the body go into the "deep freezer" and get the fat/caloric energy" out



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I watched those videos - and got sucked into YouTubeLand. So much to watch!!

I'm going to continue to drink coffee in the am. I gave it up for Lent one year, made it through, but just missed the routine of drinking coffee while I took care of things and checked into Spark etc. in the mornings.

The most important thing in preventing heart attacks, I believe, is preventing the plaque buildup in your arteries. My insurance doesn't pay for a carotid scan, so I have no way of knowing, but I'm doing my part by eating keto, exercising (some) and IF to keep my insulin down. Now if weight loss would follow....

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Subject: coffee and blood sugar

I think that blood sugar levels are one key area that is connected with Keto. One avoids carbohydrates because they most easily impact blood sugar. Sugar of course does this the most, but ground wheat isn't much different, and so on.

What about coffee? The mayo clinic:
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditio
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"Some studies suggest that drinking coffee, caffeinated and decaffeinated, may actually reduce your risk of developing diabetes.

If you already have diabetes, however, the impact of caffeine on insulin action may be associated with higher or lower blood sugar levels. "

So one way, or maybe the other ... no definite statement there.

This keto article:
ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2017/12/14
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affeine-on-a-ketogenic-diet-friend-oR>r-foe

is also on the fence.

It looks like if you like coffee, drink some, but not excessive. Who knows what it does in your body, and if you don't know, and you like it, why not enjoy it?

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I agree. Bob Harper has a type-A personality.
www.popsugar.com/fitness/Bob-Harper-
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Bob has gone from crazy workouts and a lot of things, including drinking coffee, to post heart attack and totally changing what he does, including cutting meat and fat. Really non-Keto, and cutting coffee too.

Is coffee helpful for Keto? I don't know. Bob's decision to stop drinking coffee is not going to influence me one way or the other.

I don't drink bulletproof coffee either, just heavy whipping cream in it.

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3/26/18 7:35 A

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What does Bob Harper having a heart attack have to do with coffee?

I drink coffee every morning. Black. That's the way I like it. I've tried BPC, but almost makes me gag. I probably have 3 cups each day before 8, then no more.

I occasionally drink tea in the evening, mostly green tea or whatever interesting packages my husband comes home with. He usually stays at Marriotts when he travels, and they have a great tea bar and although he only likes Lipton black tea, he grabs a few herbals for me from time to time.

I think it helps with morning hunger - or just getting to noon before you eat. When I have coffee in the am, I do not even think about eating.


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3/26/18 6:57 A

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I switched from tea to Coffee when I started my 20/4. I was doing really well until I tried to quit coffee yesterday and all i wanted to do was eat! I am sticking to the thought that we all are different and have to find what works for each of us!

So besides the pound I gained by eating yesterday i have a tremendous headache~~So guess who is drinking coffee this morning~~with heavy whipping cream and a little liquid vanilla cream stevia! ME

It was working and I was energized so it will be my friend until it stops working! Even added my Collagen back into it!

What do you think? Foolish or realistic?
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3/25/18 8:49 P

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I drink about 4 large cups across the morning, each one with quite a bit of heavy whipping cream.

I don't like the taste of just plain coffee with nothing in it. I used to put a sweetener in it, like stevia, but I actually prefer it without any sweetener now. In addition to the cream, I occasionally add a very small squirt of Mio in a cup of coffee, like one cup like that every week or so. Like a little cherry flavour to the creamy coffee. Just a little, not overwhelming, a hint.

I'm still going to look into blood sugar and Ketone features of caffeine.

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Sorry FogFog I have been trying to find the actual article I read but can't find it. (It also said low sodium can spike LDL so that is another one I am working at and looking to refind...) In any case you can just google coffee and cholesterol there are apparently a lot of articles about it.

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I didn't know the caffeine can impact cholesterol! YIKES
THAT is a game changer and means both I and DH should stick to decaf ...
not because we have high LDL etc..but because why add a problem

TY for that info. Where have you read that.

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seeing these..i do drink tea. not regularly..and never put fat in it. i just like the taste..lol

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I drank black coffee before I went Keto. Now I drink bullet proof coffee or add heavy whipping cream. Usually I have 3 cups in the morning. I find it an easy way to add more fat so in that way I find it helpful but I am not sure the coffee itself is important. In fact, I read yesterday that coffee increases cholesterol so as a hyperresponder (as in I have very high LDL since going KETO) I am now considering switching to tea. I will be interested to see what others have to say.

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I am a coffee drinker.. and was one before Keto
I can drink 4 cups in a morning without thinking about it. I use half reg beans and half decaf beans as the pot has a grinder attached to it.
Also have a french press and espresso pot
Drank it black, or with half n half and stevia (or monk fruit) before keto

Now Drink coffee with coconut oil. Sometimes add HWC. No sweeteners


I am also a tea drinker--and when I am not feeling the coffee thing--will drink tea with coconut oil added. When I am trying to get fats in at the end of the evening I drink an herbal tea or herbal chai style tea (bag--not a mix) and add coconut oil.

Early on could not stomach the idea of adding butter-- but may try it again now that I have been keto since Jan.

I just stir the coconut oil in-- no whipping, no gadgets.
Trying to not make keto more complicated--as for me the changeover with recipes (love to cook gourmet and have done so for 30+ yrs) ) has been enough of a challenge. So not extra kitchen gadgets for frothing coffee.

Do have a frother for cappuchino and not sure I want to get coconut oil in the screen/seive.

Have never dont MCT. Not sure about it being much better than coconut oil.

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I dont drink coffee. never have. love the smell hate the taste and the bad breath it brings. I suppose you could call how i eat IF. i'm rarely hungry before noon..so i go from whenever the day before till noon or 1. i dont consider it IF..i consider it listening to my body. I do eat my calories in 2 bigger meals than most would.
I dont do "fasts". I dont like feeling hungry, the couple times i tried i got no benefit but wanting to eat ravenously after.

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Interesting James.
My son asked me the same questions. I had just started drinking coffee instead of tea while doing 20/4 fasting. He told me that new studies have shown it not advisable and that it interferes with your fasting. What have you found?

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I don't know the answer. So this is more of a post to start a discussion and see what happens.

Do you drink coffee? Did you drink coffee before switching to Keto?

Do you think coffee increases ketone production, or in some way aids in ketosis or health?

Do you fast, and if you do, do you drink coffee while fasting, do you add anything like cream to the coffee and consider that still fasting?

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