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KETOBUNNY,
ah well a third of a bottle a day, is about 2 grams of carbs then. About the same as a square of my dark chocolate.

So neither of those things are keto, since the majority of their calories actually come from carbs. That said, there are so few carbs that they can be worked into your daily carb load with little effort.

I eat a things like a bit of dark chocolate now and then, and don't give it much thought since I'm not eating enough that it tips me over the edge, wakes up the hunger dragon, and that dragon drags me to the kitchen late in the evening looking for pop tarts ... that never happens.

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I would think it would depend on how long you ferment it. I was told that it is comparable to apple cider vinegar nutritional wise. I never thought about putting ginger in it... when my ginger is ready to harvest, I will have to try that.

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Thanks James and Bunny
I was drinking a small bit in morning and same small bit in evening.....I LOVE that stuff!
But now I will only have it in the morning. I make my own and it is fantastic.
Thanks for your research on it.






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I drink Kambucha raw and organic gingerade. thhe bottle is 480 ml. The nutrition facts are for the whole bottle, which I never drink. I usually will drink about a third of the bottle in a day. Per 480 ml calories are 30, fat is 0,no chol, sodium 10 mg, carbs 7, no fiber, sugars 2g and protein 0. No other vitamins ect,

The ingredients do not have any added sugars, The ingredients are water, kombucha culture (yeast and bacteria) black and green tea and ginger juice.

Only drinking a third a day gives me the benefits but keeps the carbs way down as well as the calories.

Only you can make the change.


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Kombucha tea: First guess 6 or 7 grams of carbs per cup. Given that Keto is about 20 to 30 grams of carbs a day it seems to be a tight squeeze. Possible though.

I don't have any experience with this fermented tea. It has sugar in it originally as far as I know, it is fermented, and I'm not sure how much sugar is left.

The nutritiondata website indicated 3 grams of carbs per 100 grams. A cup of liquid has about 250 grams, an so in this case about 7 or 8 grams of carbs.

This page:
www.livestrong.com/article/313476-th
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indicates 30 calories per cup. This comes from the leftover sugar, and from the yeast that was eating the sugar.
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/baked-p
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So hard to say, but assuming that all the calories come from carbs, this is 7 grams (7x4 is 28, very close to the 30 calories per cup). So this is consistent with the first estimation of carbs.

At first guess it looks like you might be able to tolerate a cup of this each day, just as I tolerate a square or two of dark chocolate (4 grams of carbs) on some days.

Perhaps others have a better idea on this tea. I have heard of it before, I just don't know it.

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does anyone know if kombucha will knock you out of ketosis...just drinking 8oz a day.
very leery about this and keto plan
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James, I was most definitely talking about KETO pizza, where I can make a crust with 0 carbs.

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Cat,
while I recognize that pizza has cheese, and probably meat and vegetables, all of which I eat, a single slice typically has about 30 grams of carbs in the crust.

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I can't fit that into my daily carb target (20 to 30 grams) with all the other things in my day, unless the crust is left uneaten.

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The Atkins diet starts out like Keto, in its "induction" phase 1, with an average of about 20 grams of carbs in this phase.

Then in phase 2 Atkins ramps up the carbs every week for up to 4 weeks. Each week your daily total increases by 5 grams, to a maximum of 40 grams a day. You can keep increasing as long as you keep slowly loosing weight. When you reach your goal weight you move to phase 3.

In phase 3 you ramp up the carbs weekly by 10 gram increments, again to your personal tolerance. If you start gaining weight, then you have to cut back the carbs, and find your balance.

So Atkins finds your personal tolerance with carbs, and basically eat as many as you can as long as you don't gain weight. The overlap with Keto is in the induction phase, where the carbs are pretty similar.

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Again, so as not to confuse anyone new. You can be in ketosis and not be following a keto diet. Atkins is an example. Atkins is low carb (not specifically VERY low carb), high protein.
A keto diet, by definition, is very low carb, high fat, and moderate protein.

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Yes, it was very low calories, but I'm not worried about calories. I have plenty of calories stored on my body. I'm not going to eat if I'm not hungry.
If I'm hungry, like this morning, I'm going to eat pizza which has plenty of fat, protein and calories.

Edit: That's KETO pizza....0 carb crust.

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I see... I was just checking out your eating diary thread.... hmmm. Lots of low carb veggies. I can see that as long as it's not high in carbs... the cravings would be tamed.
Not that I am arguing... I've been in a stall for so long...I am not in the position to argue with anyone, but it must be extremely low in calories. Are you not afraid of mucking up the metabolism and are you planning on making this a WOE or is it short term? I love reading through these posts and getting ideas on what could help myself. My nutritional goal this challenge is to add more veggies to my diet... although probably not go low fat.

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No, carbs are staying low.

I did a liver cleanse. To prep for that you have to stop eating fat and animal products for a few days. The weight started melting off. And I had to stuff my required fruit and veggies in, meaning I was never hungry, while staying Keto. It was an awesome surprise to be losing weight and eating all the veggies I wanted! I'm sure I've mentioned that I enjoy vegan eating.

I am listening to my body, eating what it wants (what makes me feel good) while keeping carbs low enough to stay in ketosis.

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Obviously it's working for you Cat. Your numbers show the proof...I'm just trying to understand what you,re doing. Carb cycling?

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The days I posted was fruit and veggies. No fat, and almost no protein in those foods.

It's working for ME. I'm not saying others should do what I'm doing.

There are vegans that do Keto.

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Cat.... you're not eating any fat? Am I reading this right? You are just eating protein?

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The Ketogenic diet was created for growing children with epilepsy . It's where the marcos 80% Fat, 20% Protein, 5% Carbs come from.

KETO ISN'T COMPLICATED: save time, money, sanity: AVOID KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS PITFALLS - www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjCNjo_cNrw

Yes, the urine strips might not show ketones in your urine later on in the diet because you are using them for fuel. The strips would then be reading tan (no ketones), not purple.
I'm not lucky. I'm losing because I'm not eating any fat. I'm burning the fat stored on my body. I've been on Keto 8 weeks.

I agree my food choices are not recommended for people just starting Keto. They will need to eat fat to keep hunger away. Once fat adapted...one might want to lower the fat.


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My post did not mean to single anyone out....its was for everyone. Keto is interpreted differently by different people. You are very lucky to be able to eat the fruits and vegetables you do...most cant and still lose. How long have you been on keto? When you are fully adapted your urine strips will not show ketones, as once you are in a ketogenic state your body uses the ketones and they wont spill into your urine. Which is why we are told that the keto sticks are good for the first couple weeks until you are adapted then they should not be showing the ketones, you need a ketone blood monitor for that.
My main point of my post is to make sure that people new to the ketogenic diet not feel that some of the foods some are posting are considered keto compatible. You are fortunate to be able to lose when you eat the foods that most experts feel are not keto compliant. And, as I've said before..if it works for you thats great!! Just don't want people trying to learn to think that some foods they may want to enjoy are on the suggested lists when they aren't, and could keep them from reaching their goals.
There are many, many websites with food lists and books with information...my suggestion is if anyone is questioning a food that they go and look it up to see if it fits in with accepted keto practices.
I know there are some who use "if it fits your macros" but most experts do not agree that that is a keto way of eating. Again..if it works for you that's wonderful!! There is also a lot of discussion right now about whether people should be using net carbs or total...I do total and trust me, there are few fruits that you can even have a taste of, to stay under 20 grams of carbs a day. Many experts suggest using total carbs until you are at goal, then going to net IF it doesn't put you into a gaining trend. That is an individual choice, one i hated making. But if I want to reach my goals it is what I personally need to do.
If you are new to keto, and learning, I think its important to know the guidelines to stay in. The studies that the NIH did, and their approval of the Keto way of eating, is based on the recommended Keto plan. If you know the basics of that, then you can make your choices based on whats best for you, even if it isn't following the recommended.

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My weight loss isn't just calories consumed. Somehow carbs just lock up my body fat. My body is ultra-sensitive to that.

At about 20 grams of carbs (and lower calories of course) I loose, which is probably what is happening right now. I'm not snacking on things during the day, and I don't mean big snacks, I mean like one square of dark chocolate, or a few (like 5) blueberries, or a few (like 3) strawberries. I just have to buckle down.

I was at about 30 for the longest time, and my weight was pretty stuck.

That is not to say you can't loose weight eating higher carbs, like even say 150 grams a day, you can, but one is going to be hungrier while loosing weight, a constant struggle. If you can cut the hunger while loosing weight, and eat healthy, its a trifecta.

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I know I'm one of those people you are seeing Holly. To me, there are no non-Keto foods. 20g of carbs (or whatever your number) is 20g of carbs. If you're sensitive to something and it stalls you, sure, get rid of it. If you're losing and feeling great...why fix it!?!

My weigh-ins this week, eating roughly 30g of fruit and veggies. And I'm full and satisfied!
My Keto urine strips are the darkest purple.

6/23 - 208
6/24 - 207
6/25 - 205
6/26 - 204
6/27 - 203
6/28 - 202
6/29 - 202
6/30 - 201

Please, I'm not trying to be ugly here and you do have a good point about people just starting Keto.

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Excellent post, James. I am seeing a lot of people posting on the full day of eating thread with very non keto foods...i always figure thats your choice, but hope others are aware that these foods are not going to help you meet your goals, no matter how healthy we have always been told they are (like your apple analogy).

Hoping new people can see how this could prevent you from reaching ketosis and your goals.
I only track carbs..and in my head..and thats not good either, i'm just so swamped at the bakery (wedding cake season). my biggest want is fruit, and i know i cant have any. on stressful days its really hard not to grab for some of the blueberries or raspberries i have in one of my freezers, hand picked from my bushes, which makes it even harder for me..but I know it will toss me out of ketosis and i'll never get my weight where i want it!!

Again, thank you for your thoughtful, factful posts. Appreciated!!

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Thank you, James.
I aim for zero carbs but understand the 'leaking' analogy perfectly and understand that 20-30-40 grams will happen.
For example, I like cream on my coffee and try to keep heavy cream in the fridge but often only have half and half.
I start my day with a half teaspoon of good PB with a tof coconut oil while the coffee is on.
Almost never any fruit, starches, sugar.
Nightly wine or no carb vodka drink (my downfall).
I am rarely hungry, exercise moderately every day and am losing verrrrry slowly but feeling great.
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Subject: Eating non-Keto foods

To be in ketosis you need to eat very few carbohydrates. Just how low? Usually about 20 to 30 grams a day. I view these carbs typically as "leaking" into a diet. Like if you eat broccoli, it has some carbs, yet broccoli, unless you have an allergy to it, is going to be good for you. A cup of raw broccoli in a salad has about 4 net grams of carbs.

There are a couple of paths to Keto-land, and one of them is not to eat carb high things at all. You can also weigh, track, and count things, especially grams of carbs. In this case you might find that at the end of your day had 20 grams, and you figure another 4 or so might not be so bad, and you like chocolate. I eat a little dark chocolate now and then. I know that each square of an 85% cocoa chocolate bar by Lindt has 2 grams of carbs.

Eating carbs can be a slippery slope as they have a blood sugar impact. In my case if I up the carbs a little I sometimes start bargaining with myself, I'm only at 26, I'll just 4 squares of dark chocolate adding 8 more grams to get to 34. That's not so bad, and tomorrow I'll make up for it by being closer to 25. I know this is my primitive brain percolating to impact my rational brain. It's my blood sugar talking to me, more, more, more ... and getting the rational part of my brain to justify things. I have to get a grip.

So if you choose to eat non-Keto things be absolutely sure to limit quantities, and count, don't guess. A single apple has about 25 grams of carbs, 20 net (not counting fibre). Can you fit that into your plan, with all the other food in the day? No, I don't think so. Half an apple, so 10 grams net, ... maybe, maybe not. Quarter of an apple 5 grams, most likely.

The real goal of eating Keto is to eat very low carb, and get the nutrition your body needs.


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