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6/1/17 10:07 A

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once a day i have a big spinach salad with cheese and olive oil and vinegar. the rest of my day is butter, bacon, meat and cheese. I count total carbs now not net, so i have to be really careful of the veggies..last night i had mushrooms on my grilled strip steak and between that and the salad almost hit my 10g carbs a day limit!!


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6/1/17 4:16 A

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I'm thinking a lot of people, even the pros in the article, assume all you're eating is oil and meat. I sure did. I know in the past some people have said they're trying low carb because they hate vegetables. They were childish people, I won't lie lol If you're not allergic you should at least have a salad!

If you do this right, you're eating all the dark leafy greens that most people are trying to avoid. I had long cooked greens and fried cabbage darn near daily growing up so I've never had an aversion to them. I loved spinach as a kid and I'm one of those weirdos that eat kale and don't complain.

So when they said butter on top of butter they were showing their lack of understanding in my opinion.

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5/31/17 5:58 P

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Interestingly, I am seeing more and more people on other SparkPeople teams (like recently the Thyroid team, but I've seen on other teams completely unrelated to our Keto/Low carb teams) suddenly saying something like "should I try low-carb diet?" or "what do you know about intermittent fasting" etc. When I encounter those comments, I try to point them to this team and the others - Keto Clarity etc. I figure they might as well know we already have teams working on these issues.

I'll have to get on my phone and edit this post from there, but recently one of our pastors went to Africa to visit various sister congregations there. It was during Passover, so they had a "big meal" and I thought it was interesting the food shown on a plate that the pastor took a photo of. I made a screen shot of it:

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Except for the one blob on the top left, which I'm not sure what it was, and the piece of Passover Matzo (which Pastor brought in from USA to share - they had never seen that kind of "bread" before), and the banana or plantain thing on the left, I'd say it was a spot-on KETO friendly, low carb meal!!

Edited by: PROVERBS31JULIA at: 5/31/2017 (18:02)
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5/31/17 5:19 P

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I have to disagree, James, on the cost. I am spending about HALF on keto what i was not on keto. No more fruit. no bread or rolls etc (bread is $4 a loaf last time i bought it!!) no flour etc. I bought a bag of almond flour and a bag of coconut flour and a box of carbquik back in november when i started, and they are still ALL over half full, some more than.
i buy: spinach, cheese, eggs (3.78 for 5 DOZEN at walmart) meat, i shop the sales for meat and stock up. i bought a package of thighs/legs of chicken yesterday...5 big pieces (i think they call it quater of a chickem?) for 3.29. each one of those pieces will last me 2 nights. i bought 2 ny strip steaks marked down to $3.50 each..each will last me 2 nights. When i see roasts on sale i buy them and smoke them, and they last me a good week...i make hash when i get sick of them..(grind the meat in the food grinder, cook some bacon, crumble it in with the meat, cook it all in the bacon grease and some butter or coconut oil) its so darn good and fills you up really fast..i can make a roast last a week and a half that way!
I bought 2 CASES of butter at aldi last christmas when it went on sale. I used half for my chirstmas baking, and i have 3/4 of the other case left. yeah it was a big bill to buy that much, BUT...at $2 a pound you cant go wrong. Sinach is on sale at aldi this week for $2 a big bag..2 bags lasts me more than a week. i get mushrooms on sale, and occasionally a zucchini. Cheese I buy at $3 a pound on sale and stock up. (i'm pickly..i really like cabot seriously sharp hunters cheese...and its a little more expensive. I could get regular for $2 a pound) Cream is pretty expensive at $4 a quart..but i buy one about twice a month.
and thats about it...WAY cheaper than eating all the stuff i used to!!

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5/31/17 4:43 P

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MEADSBAY,
there are a lot of diets out there and a lot of ways of eating. The overlap between all of them is zero. So there are ways of eating that you just can't follow perfectly, or perhaps not at all, and one typically picks a style of eating and doesn't rotate eating plans. Lets say Friday is vegan day, Saturday is vegetarian, Sunday is steak and potatoes kind of day, Monday is organic day ...

So each person needs to decide how they want to eat. In my case, as a type-2 diabetic, I just can't eat many carbs. Oh, I guess I could, if I wanted to take metformin, or insulin, or other stuff. But it makes no sense to me to do that.

The one thing about the balanced eating idea, is that I think it may be tolerable for healthy, normal weight people, lets say those at their ideal weight (or below). My ideal weight is 155 pounds, and I'm not there yet, so I'm eating unbalanced.

So Keto is not a "normal" diet, just because most people eat a lot of carbs. Eating Keto is more expensive, so there is an affordability issue. As much as I love Keto, I don't think that the world ecosystem could support 7.5 billion people all eating Keto, so this is an individual choice.

James


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5/31/17 4:13 P

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Omg...thank you so much for clarifying all this, James.
Who takes their health advice from the Today show???
My limited experience with registered dietitians, whether they have written a book or not, is that they mimic back the government regulations to the T.
And isn't that exactly why half of us are overweight or obese?


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5/31/17 2:43 P

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This negative article about Keto was a link in LEMONYLACE's recent blog:
www.today.com/health/ketogenic-diet-not-re
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I'll give you my opinion on each of the non-keto statements in that article.
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article: “Cutting out carbs is usually an invitation to overeat them at another point,”

me: "I find if you eat keto for a few months you crave carbs very little, indeed old carb high foods start to taste unpleasant to me."
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article: “For safe and effective weight loss, the carb reduction is too extreme,”

me: "It is not safe to be overweight, and I find Keto to be effective for weight loss, and too extreme for what? Too extreme to be healthy, to extreme to be easy? Yes eating keto is not mainstream, so in that sense it is extreme."
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article: “mostly fat with a teeny bit of protein and carbs.”

me: "Well it is a teeny bit of carbs, but protein meets the daily minimum, if not more. Eating potatoes, rice, pasta and other high carb things does not get you any protein either, so I don't understand the teeny bit of protein"
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article: "Yes, you can lose weight on the ketogenic diet. One reason is that the body burns fat for fuel. Another is that you can’t eat many of your favorite foods, like crusty bread, potato chips or sugar-laden pastries. "

me: "Yes the body burns fat for fuel, either fat you eat, or your own body fat. You CAN'T eat that list of favourite foods. But really, how natural are sugar-laden pastries? Isn't lots of raw veggies better?"
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article: “It’s not really sustainable, nor is it good for you,”
me: "Its been six years of Keto for me. So don't tell me its not sustainable. Not good for me? I'm very nutritionally aware. I pay attention to what my body needs, protein, fats, vitamins, minerals. I was on diabetes medication for 12 years, and for the first 5 years of Keto I was off off them, so I can't agree that it isn't good for me."
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article: "Since this diet doesn’t provide all the essential nutrients, you’d need to take supplements and multi-vitamins"

me: "WHAT? Look up the nutrition of sugar, the purest of carbs, it has no nutrients, zero. If you eat leafy greens, bell peppers, radishes .... etc. etc. all those low carb veggies, you will get your needs. Dietary fat and protein are essential, carbs are not essential"
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article: "You’d also need to make sure your digestive system works properly because the diet is very low in fiber."

me: "This is true."
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article: "The ketogenic diet is a very restrictive plan that most people can’t stick with and shouldn’t try for weight loss ..."

me: "Yes it is restrictive, but I now enjoy all sorts of healthy veggies that I didn't used to like, so I also had new things to eat that I enjoy. Weight loss? I find cutting the carbs and the reduction in need for insulin to handle the carbs to be my ticket to weight loss."
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article: “If you’re eating a more well-balanced diet — eating carbohydrates that are high in fiber, whole grains, and combining it with fats, you feel good, too,”

me: "I'd like to agree with the balance argument, but I think that applies to healthy, not overweight people. If you are unhealthy, or overweight, then I think you need to eat an unbalanced diet, unbalanced in the opposite direction to what got you sick, to get healthy again."

Bottom line ... Keto is not for everyone. If you do try Keto you will need to cut out a lot of common things, like bread, rice, wheat, pasta, rice, sugar. Does it make you healthier? Is it too hard to maintain? That is for the individual to decide.





James


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