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5/27/17 1:03 P

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i know you werent, but in this age of skinnier is better, i just wanted to bring it up.

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Holly,
I'm sorry to hear that about your friend.

I was in no way implying that anyone here even try to get below 15% fat for men, or about 20% body fat for women, which is actually the upper level for athletes.

If anyone on this team is an athlete they should be getting their nutritional guidance from experts.

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A friend of mine...MMR champion and weight lifter..used to play with his hody fat percentage. He got as low as 3% and was very proud of it. And then he died. Its nothing to play with at all...we miss him every. single. day.

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RITA1956,
yes, I'm aware that for endurance athletes that running in ketosis may be just as good as running with carbs, and indeed just about everyone except for a few elite athletes has a little extra body fat.

For example my ideal body weight is about 160 pounds. If I had a "fit" level of body fat, that would be about 15% fat, so about 24 pounds of fat. If I were an elite olympic athlete that could get as low as about 6%, but not lower as the body must have some essential body fat, ... less than that and my health is in serious risk. So if I were an elite athlete I would have about 10 pounds of body fat. Running a marathon takes about 2600 calories. One pound of body fat has 3500 calories. In other words, one has plenty of calories to spare for the run.

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My opinion on taking ketone supplements is that yes they do introduce ketones into your diet, and ketones may have health benefits when you are fuelled by them.

However this is not weight loss. Weight loss comes from burning your own body fat, and ketones are partially burned fats. So adding external ketones does not mean you are burning your own body fat.

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Rita there is a huge Ironman Triathlon here. many of the winners are on keto...its a gruelling race with swim, bike and run segments, and its amazing how well they do!

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5/25/17 10:52 P

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I read some articles on the Diet Doctor site about athletes that are on a very low carb diet and never do the carb load thing. Especially runners. I sent them to my son. He is a marathon runner. It said that because the body is using the fat stores for energy they can run and run with an endless supply in comparison to eating carbs and needing to boost during the run with gels, etc...

I thought that was pretty cool.

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ahh ok..then Sam wouldnt. Hes about as healthy as it gets and everyone that sees him thinks he is on steroids...hes not.

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5/25/17 1:22 P

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Holly, the Sisson article I linked to below explains how exogenous ketones work as a performance enhancement.

Professional athletes can't use them because it would be considered 'doping'... in fact, I think there was a situation recently where this was exactly the case.

Edited by: _RAMONA at: 5/25/2017 (23:42)

Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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wow..the book was pretty careful to say none are effective, YET..and that was from the expert doctors, not the layman writing. You are lucky to have a doc you can talk to about that!!
Now i'm interested..I have a friend whose son is a top ranking professional athlete..wondering if they use them. I'm going to go ask..and what the theory is if they do.
I know they dont to keto..lol i think they carb load from the pictures but who knows...hes in a very rough sport and i know the franchise is extremely strict with what the ingest...

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Yeah... it's sad, really. Exogenous ketones are the new quick weight loss scheme taking advantage of the vulnerable. Remember Rasberry ketones (Dr. Oz was touting those)? That was the beginning.

I belong to several ketosis groups on facebook, and most of these groups ban the marketing of exogenous ketones on the threads. There is always someone popping up trying to get a sales pitch past admin, and promptly getting removed.

I was fortunate enough to have a really great conversation with a doctor who uses exogenous ketones for athletic performance enhancement, and he was really helpful in educating the group to the purpose and limitations in using them.

One of the on-line keto gurus actually sells them herself, but most are vehemently against them.


Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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Well, i'm no expert..and i doubt this is the one talked about, but in Keto Clarity he does talk about supplements that are being tested that WILL do what this claims, IN CONJUNCTION with a Keto WOE.
I think we would all know if the real ones had happened yet. Sad what people will pay money for..and i'm one that did in the past, i was so desparate.
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...

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Thanks for confirming my suspicion on this one. This friend is a super-sweet person, but she's an MLM-jumper and this is just the latest in a long string of health and weight-loss endeavors of hers. She was super-excited about it and I didn't want to burst her bubble, but in the back of my mind I was thinking, "sweetie, if there was some kind of magic pill that would make people burn fat, don't you think they'd be selling it thru big pharma or thru major retail chains and not an MLM? And don't you think it would cost more than $120 for a 30-day (or 60, I can't remember which) supply?"


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"It's not the actual ketones themselves that cause the weight loss, it's the process of ketosis your body goes through that makes you lose weight, And the ketones are just a by-products of that process."

You're exactly right. While exogenous ketones can address some medical issues (dementia and epilepsy, for instance), and can enhance athletic performance, they are pretty much useless for fat elimination because they don't in any way encourage the conversion of your own body fat to ketones, and any excess ketones beyond what you need to fuel your own body are peed out.

Some people claim they make you feel better (and if you are someone who is having a hard time keto-adapting this may be the case... they will give you an energy boost), but the more you use exogenous ketones, the less your own body has to develop the metabolic process that creates ketosis, and once you stop using exogenous ketones you're right back at square one with regard to becoming keto-adapted.

If you do a search for exogenous ketones and read the comment threads after the ads for this company you'll find A LOT of angry people, who have paid a lot of money to discover what you've already figured out.

In my opinion, your friend has been had.



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Edited by: _RAMONA at: 5/25/2017 (11:50)

Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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So maybe I'm completely off-base here, but a friend of mine has started pushing Pruvit Keto OS pills. She claims that the supplement adds ketones to your system and you lose weight.

I'm confused: it's not the actual ketones themselves that cause the weight loss, it's the process of ketosis your body goes through that makes you lose weight, and the ketones are just a by-product of that process?

Is this correct? So you can take ketones all you want, but if your body itself isn't producing them, they aren't doing anything besides costing money.

I'm thinking these pills don't do any good without following the actual keto WOE, and my pal is pushing these supplements that will just end up getting peed out. And there is no weight loss to be had by them because they're not from the body's process of ketosis. Seems like a really expensive do-nothing pill to me.

Anyone heard of this product? Am I right in thinking this is just a big waste of money and my friend has been had by this MLM????

Edited by: SWEET-PEASMOM at: 5/25/2017 (12:11)
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