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4/10/17 7:04 P

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James -- eat more cherries!

Cherries have anthocyanins plant pigments that have powerful antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties. Anthocyanins are found in red and purple fruits, including raspberries and blueberries, but cherries, especially tart cherries, contain higher levels. Which is why tart cherries are good natural remedies for both OA & gout.

I was pretty religious about getting cherries in some form every day, & also about taking hyaluronic acid every day. Even though I had been diagnosed with Stage 2 OA bilaterally, I had no pain & no problem for years. Then times got tough & I couldn't afford the hyaluronic acid any more, and also had difficulty affording the cherries. And today -- most days my knees hurt so bad I can hardly hobble.

So if you have OA, I highly recommend cherries. 6 a day is the magic number I think. And I don't think that's enough natural sugar to throw your keto off, is it?

Kate, in Citrus Heights California

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4/10/17 6:57 P

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Thanks Holly for the encouragement about pain relief with the keto WOE. I am still struggling to get completely on keto, so haven't really seen any pain lessening or weight loss. But I'm not giving up! Mostly it's that I have to sit down & figure out a meal plan & get straight about macros, & I'm in a time vortex from a club I belong to -- I've resigned my positions three times but always get sucked back in. Now I'm trying to get through until the end of May, when I will have everything down and can resign & let the next person take over 7/1.

But I definitely want to be completely keto LONG before then!

Kate, in Citrus Heights California

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3/23/17 9:07 A

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Reading up on knee pain I hit a few things related to arthritis.

Some I could agree with, some not. A number suggested to avoid refined carbs, which of course included sugar (which this discussion is all about) and wheat flour.

Then there were other things suggested, like eat more cherries... Huh? One suggested more higher oil fish like salmon. Maybe it helps with lubrication. In any case salmon is great in my books.

The main thing with inflammation is to cut out something, like say dairy, give it a week or two and see if things change for the better.

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3/23/17 12:03 A

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i lose very slowly also...i've actually gained over the past 2 weeks. its disturbing, but i'm totally committed to it. and, as i said, with the pain being better and this is the only thing i've changed, I figure it has to be the reason.
are you strict? less than 20 carbs a day and no sugar? i hear many people say that they have trouble with ANY sweeteners. I've been told about the dairy, also, but that i'm not willing to give up, so slow it is.
i was having the boredom too. so i worked up some recipes. tonite i had lasagna..using thin slices of zucchini. the sauce was 4 oz of 80% burger, browned with mushrooms. i tossed in a quarter cup of plain tomato sauce, some cream, and 2 teaspoons of some basil pesto..sold by wildtree products. i used some ricotta and mozzarella in the layers, and it lasted 2 nights. made it in a mini loaf pan. dessert was a coconut chocolate cupcake with creamcheese buttercream..new recipe REALLY good. i had summer sausage, cheese, and an egg for lunch, and thats all i ate today..came in under 10 carbs. filling and really good. most of the time i eat plainly, but then i throw in a day like today and it helps.


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3/22/17 11:17 A

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You may have a problem with dairy. The keto WOE relies heavily on dairy and if you are like me, dairy causes the joints to hurt. You may want to cut out dairy to see what happens. Everyone is different and it is a trial and error type thing. Usually canned coconut milk can be substituted where cream is called for so you can get your fat. I do ghee for butter since the butter proteins are cooked off. It doesn't seem to bother me. I also rely on coconut oil.
I wish you luck. Don't give up.

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3/22/17 9:46 A

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I wish I could get the same results. I have been consistent with working out regularly for more than a year and I feel that I am struggling more since the keto WOE. My knees still hurt, my hip has been hurting more than ever and I get muscle fatigue much more easily. After two months of this WOE, I am starting to get bored with the food choices and discouraged with the slow weight loss and general fatigue. :-(

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3/20/17 10:17 P

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Kate...when i started it was amazing. i woke up on october 29th..no prep. no cleaning out the pantry and fridge (wouldnt do any good i own a bakery so its always around). i just woke up said ok. i'm doing this till thanksgiving. 100%. then we will see.
Well, thanksgiving came and i was still on it..and didnt go off for thanksgiving. i found good substitutes for everything but mashed potatos, stuffing, and pecan pie. i made keto gravy. biscuits. i could have done stuffing with the keto biscuits but i didnt need them. the pie, though...lol
then i said ok fine..but Christmas..i'm taking a week off. and it ended up being 3 days. nothing tasted as good as i remembered, i had a couple things and thought i had made cooking mistakes, but everyone said no it was great. the ONLY thing that tasted right was the rum cake. so i went back on and havent had one morsel of non keto food since.
and...i had a knee replacement with mega complications..to the point i was told i would probably never walk again. I take heavy duty pain meds daily..as in class 3 narcotics..and get this..i'm down to one a day. ONE. after having 2 every 4-6 hours depending on the weather and how much i needed to be on my leg etc. one. amazing....and i'm thinking i wont even need that one for much longer..hoping anyhow!! I actually have a handicap parking tag, and today bypassed those spots so i could walk farther.
totally happy with the results.....you can do it!!

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3/20/17 12:02 A

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You guys are really giving me hope! My silly knee has flared up again & I can hardly walk & sometimes cry from the pain. I'm still struggling to get my diet into the keto WOE but I keep working on it & will get it sorted sooner rather than later. Well worth it if eating keto reduces my physical problems, much less eliminates some or all of them completely! I mean, even if all my skin tags falling off is the only one to be completely gone, I'll be happy! emoticon

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wow...i have achilles tendonitis..just got done with 3 months of PT for it..the week after i stopped PT the pain was back and continues. Going to think positive that maybe someday mine will go away, too!! Thanks for the ray of hope!

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2/24/17 7:34 P

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Yay for being pain free! I think of that when I am tempted to do something like have a piece of pizza or something. Is it worth the pain I will have in the morning after eating it. Plus I am trying to heal my thyroid... or general endocrine system. I don't need to eat something that is going to mess it up. I like Jame's statement (I do listen to you... or at least pay attention to what you write) about carbs not being an essential nutrient. Proteins and Fats will convert to carbs to fuel the body. You don't have to eat them. That puts the carbs in their place.

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2/24/17 7:19 P

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Thanks for sharing.. I LOVE hearing these sorts of stories!

I've had a similar experience with keto. I've had a damaged knee since I was 13 years old (40 years), and I was told I could never expect it to heal properly. A year ago I was at the point where I was losing function and having constant pain.

Funnily enough after a year of keto, I rarely remember that I've ever had an injury... no more pain, mobility is completely restored and is now even better than it has ever been since the initial injury was considered as healed as it could be. I'm even building strength in it.. I can now do squats, lift heavy weight up and down steps, and can sustain a lot of pressure on it. I can now fall AND get up, LOL!

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2/24/17 6:20 P

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When I started back on the SP site and decided to do a ketonic WOE I was suffering 24/7 from tendon and ligament issues in my ankle from an injury two years ago. Every day for two years I walked in pain. Some days it was so bad I actually cried. I also iced it almost every day. It is my weak ankle from birth and I wondered if I would suffer in pain for the rest of my life.

I've known for many years that sugar is extremely inflammatory to the body. So, as I started the keto lifestyle I kept this fact in mind. Over the course of the last several weeks, I've noticed that my ankle is better and better. I still wear the ankle supports and compression sock most days. However, I am pleased to announce that by lowering my carbs aka sugars my ankle is "nearly" without the excruciating pain that I have felt for two years. The ligament and tendon will never be 100% but the inflammation is now so low that I can walk mostly without a limp.

I'm hoping this trend in my aches and pains will improve even more as the weeks and months come and go. I weighed myself two days earlier (this morning) out of curiosity and I've already lost 3 pounds this week. I might lose another pound by Sunday which is my official weigh in. As of today, I've lost a total of 14 pounds. I am so happy. I have so much more to lose but I am so happy.

I just wanted to share. Thank you for reading.

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