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2/27/17 10:43 A

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I only do that workout 1/week at most and it happened to be with the toughest trainer both times which didn't help. Ordinarily I don't have an issue getting thru my workouts without any extra carbs... Just that 1 type of workout. I'll try having a carb snack before I do that class again and see how it goes

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2/27/17 10:32 A

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For short intense bursts of energy it is carbs that are "better". For longer exercise, like distance running, say an hour or maybe more, then burning fat can be just as good.

The best sprinters will be carb burners.

It sounds like if you are hitting a wall after 5 minutes then you are doing intense training. I really don't have an answer on what to do. Your style of exercise, or eat Keto ... Sadly both may not be possible.

I'm not sure that a carb snack before a workout will work. Maybe. Let us know.



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2/27/17 2:45 A

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Thanks James this is great! I don't really have any plans on adding carbs to my diet regularly more just curious what other people's thoughts were on the topic. A co-worker of mine who used to eat keto keeps saying how important it is to add carbs every ~2 weeks to "replenish the body's carbs". I've just been politely smiling and nodding because it doesn't make sense to me since the idea of ketosis is not having that supply of carbs/glycogen and the body using fat for fuel instead.
If anything, I was considering the occasional targeted keto diet (TKD) and eating a small carb snack (~20g maybe) before intense exercise. I do a lot of different exercises but 1 in particular is intense and was a struggle even before I was eating keto. Since starting this WOE I feel like my body REALLY struggles to keep up. Maybe it will improve as I become more adapted to burning fats efficiently but right now, 5 minutes into that particular workout and I'm feeling like I've hit a wall

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2/24/17 10:10 A

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The more I look into CKD (Cyclical Ketogenic Diet) the more it looks like a hybrid plan to burn carbs for intense workouts, then back to Keto most of the time.

It seems to be true that for very quick short burst of energy, like sprinting, that carbs can provide the most energy the fastest. But for longer endurance activities, like long distance running, Keto is just as good for energy.

I'm not wanting short burst of energy for any workout, so I personally have no reason to cycle between carb mode and keto mode.

It here is a Wikipedia article on CKD:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_
ketogenic
_diet

and it has a number of thoughts, such as this one:
"The Cyclical Ketogenic Diet can be complex, as it requires the dieters to closely watch the number of carbohydrate grams they eat during the intermittent period that they are not maintaining a strictly low carb/moderate protein diet."

This article here:
www.bodybuilding.com/content/
cyclical-
ketogenic-diet.html

says:
"The majority of time you will be consuming a low carb diet, with a period set aside each week for carbing-up. "

So just how long is the cycle in the cyclic diet? One week?





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2/24/17 1:08 A

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i sure wouldnt want to try it!!

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2/23/17 11:25 P

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Glycogen (essentially carbs and water) is stored in your muscles and your liver. It takes about 3 days to deplete carbs stored in glycogen. So if you carb cycle you fill up your glycogen, and it take that time to go back into ketosis.
www.verywell.com/what-is-glyc
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Body chemistry is either efficient at using carbs for energy, or using fat and protein. It isn't a meal to meal thing, it does take 3 days to a week or two to efficiently burn fat, and there are craving for high carb things when you enter ketosis, like indicated in this article:
kickincarbclutter.blogspot.ca
/2015/01/
how-to-get-into-ketosis-in-le
ss-th
an-3.html

In that article it says about the early days of entering ketosis:
"Cravings for cakes and cookies may fill your thoughts, and you'll find it difficult to concentrate on things other than food. You might even begin to dream about eating high-carb goodies, such as cakes and cookies.This is perfectly normal."

I view high carb foods as summertime fattening up time, and ketosis as wintertime where high carb foods are out of season. One may think that eating a continual winter time diet is not natural. But jumping back and forth between summer and winter is also an issue in my opinion. It's like going on vacation to Hawaii in the middle of winter. People get sunburned, people get colds.

What are the benefits of carb cycling? I don't know. Perhaps there are some. But as for carbs themselves Wikipedia:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbo
hydrate

says:
"Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans."

So I'm puzzled about the health benefits of carb cycling.

Other opinions?


James
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All time highest weight : 217 pounds

Starting weight : 195.0 pounds (June 7, 2012)
Final weight : 168.2 pounds (July 23, 2013)


 current weight: 178.5 
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