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1/30/17 9:13 P

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it is..when i get a peanut allergy i literally bleach and scrub everything before i bake..it goes in the oven alone, i make sure of EVERYTHING.
on the lactose..my daughter in law can do the lactaid but still only tiny amounts. I will never forget the first time she stayed over here...we had been at the fair..my son was staying there with his goats and she came home with me to sleep. in the middle of the night i heard crying..and got up to find her on the bathroom floor in utter agony...we have this wonderful, horrible for you concoction called poutine here...and she had had a little. the cheese in it about did her in. I am so very careful when shes around..shes doing better, but you are SO right about the hormone stuff. she can now do small amounts of cream cheese, cheese, and butter, but shes VERY careful every day. i cant even imagine trying to stay keto without cheese and butter and cream...

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HI as being someone diagnosed with Lactose intolerance at the age of 13, I have come to realize over the many years that dairy allergies and lactose intolerance all get lumped together. The severity also varies among each individual and for women at least as our hormones change so can our tolerance levels. For instance some people can have as much dairy as they like while pregnant and not get any of the symptoms they previously had.

I have problems with straight milk, heavy creams, ice cream and whey protein. However I have never had an issue with butter or cheese(YAY me! I love cheese), but I also don't eat pounds of either at a sitting. Yogurt sometimes is an issue and some times not. Lactose free milk, ice cream never has once caused an issue. So my take was cheese, and some yogurts do not have significant enough amount of Lactose to cause issues in me. hte lactaid tablets will allow me to have dairy, but I generally don't like to take pills to eat something my body doesn't like.

While my friends daughter will projectile vomit if she ate any dairy at all. They are doing an introduction in small quantities of dairy that is known to not have much if any lactose to see if at some point she can tolerant cheese and yogurt as those were the items that were suggested by her physician.

Dairy allergies and Lactose intolerance are not as clear cut as say nut allergies. Nut allergies cause anaphylactic shock, dairy allergies and intolerance causes digestive issues, and vary person to person. I see how this will make professional baking real difficult. Each client would have to explain specifically what they can and cant have.

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1/30/17 1:10 P

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Holly,
wow, your daughter has problems with small amounts of butter, that is very lactose intolerant. I didn't know one could be so sensitive.

So as a professional baker I can see that making something for someone who asks for no lactose, you really need to be as strict as you can, regardless of whether they quite know what they are asking for. It is you who is on the hook to follow the request to the letter.

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i did some research last summer when i did a high end wedding. the brides instructions were...NO DAIRY!!! My husband and i get extremely sick when we eat dairy...so its IMPERATIVE there isnt ANY.
Then goes on to say..but butter is ok, as is cream cheese.
NO NO NO..i refused. i used a vegan butter and cream cheese replacement. She tried to tell me butter isnt dairy...its man made. NO..butter is from milk. Cream cheese is from milk. and i refuse to be responsible for people getting sick from ANYTHING i put out there.
I understand the lactose is lower in those things. My daughter in law has a SEVERE lactose intolerance. She does ok with very small amounts of butter (she and my son are who told me about keto..and both have done fantastic with it...both down over 80 pounds last we talked about it..in just a year today i think?
so i'm really curious if others with dairy allergies (and i was told this couple had allergies, not intolerance..big difference) have found they can eat the lower lactose items like butter, heavy cream, and cheese.
As always, thanks, James!! appreciate your posting this!!

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1/30/17 12:21 P

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This is to try to answer, or start a conversation that will lead to an answer for Holly.

Some people are lactose intolerant. Lactose is a kind of a carbohydrate found in milk, and products made from milk, like cheese and yogurt.

The question is what about say butter, or other dairy products? Are some of these so low in lactose that it is irrelevant from a practical point of view for those who are lactose intolerant?

The problem is that some folks have an enzyme issue, they don't have the enzyme needed to digest this sugar. So some other bacteria in the gut may digest it, causing gas, or worse. The symptoms can be:
-Abdominal bloating, pain, or cramps.
- Borborygmi (rumbling or gurgling sounds in the stomach)
- Diarrhea.
- Flatulence, or gas.
- Nausea, which may be accompanied by vomiting.

My guess would be that if the amount of lactose in the product is low enough, then the symptoms will be so low that you won't notice. If you look at butter:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-a
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-egg-products/0/2

100 grams of this have 0.1 grams of carbs, so at most this would be all lactose, so 0.1% carbs

Compared to milk:
nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-a
nd
-egg-products/69/2

which is 5.3% carbs.

So butter is way way down on the carb scale.
Here is a page of lactose percents:
www.stevecarper.com/li/list_of_lacto
se
_percentages.htm


Indeed, it looks like from that last page that the majority of carbs in milk are lactose.


Edited by: -JAMES- at: 1/30/2017 (12:21)
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