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12/19/13 9:20 P

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I agree this is a good first step....not perfect by any stretch. It's too bad that all the misdirected negativity interferes with the only chance some people have to get health insurance. It's too bad that other states didn't follow Massachusetts lead.....oh wait Vermont is!

"Vermont wants to be the first state with Universal Healthcare"

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12/19/13 3:42 P

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The plans aren't perfect but at least they are accessible. Before millions of people wouldn't have had the option.

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Myrea, I do not see Obamacare as a solution, far from it. I see it as a first step torwards changes that will fix the health care problem in the coutry. Health insurance is a very powerful industry and they have control of Republicans, so a full change would not fly. So I think it is a good first step.
A good analogy is marriage equality. The Supreme decision making DOMA unconstitutional did not change a single thing is my life, but I understand that it was just one more step in the right direction and that one day we will get where we should be., Maybe I will not live long enough, but it is not about me, it is about people’s rights.
Oh Popeye, I will, onde day,make a full fledge liberal out of you. You do not know my powers! LOL
And just for the records…. Every time a friend from Brazil comes to visit me, I e-mail a list of medicin that I would like him/her to bring me. Theyu are so much cheaper there. And also, there are several things that here you need a prescription that there is over the counter (like penicillin, for instance).


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12/16/13 5:01 P

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Careful Pops! It's a slippery slope to socialism!!!!

I agree about the website. Very inspirational content. And just think I found it thru that horrible tool of Neo-Progressives! HuffPost!

I wish there were more out there like it.

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BRIDIE5 Posts: 8,121
12/16/13 7:07 A

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ITA with you Pop. It is the pharmacy lobby and the Insurance lobby that keep our costs sky high in this country. They get away with a breathtaking level of price gouging because they own many of our politicians. What is best for human beings doesn't enter their radar..the eye is on the profit margin. They won't even manufacture meds for orphan diseases..too little profit with too few consumers. I'm all for free enterprise and business success..I am not for greed in areas that impact life, death, and health for the American people.

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12/16/13 4:21 A

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Val, thank you for posting this. Because of my own health issues, I have read a great deal about why "We", the Imperial We of the United States, pay so much for Health Care. Everything this young man said I have seen before.

However, I've never seen anyone put all of those points together to describe the whole of the high cost of medical care.

Many of the countries he mentioned who have socialized medicine have gone directly to the drug manufacturers and told them, "We know you have to make a reasonable profit in order pay for research. 25000% for a single pill is way too high of a mark-up. Our studies show you can still fund your research and make a profit by selling the pill for "just" a 2000% mark-up. This is what we will pay, and all the patients in our country will pay, and not a cent more. Take it or you won't be selling any of this medicine in our country."

The Pharmacy practices in our country have the government paralyzed. For some reason they have come to believe the threats of pulling all of their medicines off of American shelves.
Either that, or there is someone ( multiple's of someone) in the pipeline getting rich by continuing to promote these scare tactics.

It just makes no sense. Pepsi could not make that threat without going bankrupt. Not even the three biggest auto manufacturing companies in the U.S. can make this threat. Not even WalMart could make this threat.

That's why so many people who live on the border of Canada or Mexico go across the border to get their medication (and it's also the reason so many Canadian companies advertise and sell drugs via the Internet).

I've forgotten where I traced it down on the Internet, but I found a site that showed the cost of the ingredients in a normal 30 day supply of medication. Even for many of the so-called high price medicines, the cost of manufacturing the pill was less than a 50 cents or a dollar, yet the cost of that same pill at a pharmacy purchased across the counter with no insurance was up to $40 and $50 dollars.

This, along with a number of other videos I viewed on this site, were interesting enough that I subscribed and marked this as a favorite.

Willam, I hope this makes you think there may be hope for me yet. I don't want you to unsubscribe simply because a right wing conservative like me subscribed.

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12/10/13 10:01 A

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My son doesn't have to visit the doc every three months - once a year is enough - but we do have to at least stop by and get new scripts every three months. His meds are a Class I narcotic, so they have to have a physical script, and the doc can only issue 3 scripts at a time. No refills. No phone-in. No mail--order.

The more I look at Obamacare, the less impressed I am. It's not going to fix the problem, which is that healthcare is too expensive for the outcomes in the US. It's not even going to help the uninsured, because the basic plans have high deductibles that lower-income people can't meet - so they still won't get basic maintenance care.

Without a public option or Medicare for all, it's not going to get better.

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12/10/13 5:18 A

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Legally one does not have to go to the doctor every three months to get RX refilled..I believe an annual is necessary both for health and so you aren't a "phantom patient" (the doctor needs proof you exist and that he/she has seen you). I am almost 70 and I am on maintenance medications for a couple of 'typical for my age group' issues..I only go annually or when I am acutely ill and can't cure myself at home. I just let the Dr. know when I need a refill, and how I am doing by email. in between annual visits. I made it clear to my physician that my attitude is "if it ain't broke don't fix it". and that I see no need for unnecessary appts.

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12/10/13 12:11 A

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He's a fast talking phenomena! Full of facts.

Forestpal, my mom is on Medicare and goes to the doc every three months. She does have some health issues and is on a number of meds, but I do think that every three months seems like a lot. I've go with her on once in a while. It's pretty routine and most issues she brings up seems to be attributed to "old age" and she never questions the doc further.



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12/9/13 9:01 A

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John Green is an absolute genius.

I want to be him when I grow up.

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12/9/13 7:53 A

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I "liked" that page on my FB so I get videos from the site quite regularly. Most of them are very interesting....

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12/8/13 7:14 P

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Excellent Val..

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12/8/13 5:13 P

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Glad you liked it. I spent an hour viewing the various videos on the site. If you go to the blog page and click on the highlighted issues you will find more.

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12/8/13 5:01 P

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Good site EVRYOUNG. I've heard these things before, and hope Obamacare will help us lower the prices. I certainly don't over use med care. I resist(resent) having to see my MD every 3 months to get meds refilled when no change in my health. Once a year would be fine for lab test & visit. I'm 80, so I do take several pills. One I need. The other 3 are for hidden stuff like cholesterol, BP, & I can't even remember the other one.

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Enjoy.

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