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My granddaughter thinks so.She says it's Irish.Before this I'd never heard the name.Now I've heard it twice.Here and from her. emoticon

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Liam is a cool name Shirley!

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By the way my expected in July great grandson is to be named Liam.Isn't that interesting! emoticon

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It's all about the partnership......my husbands respects me, I respect him. He makes more than I do but, handle all the bills, checkbook, do most of the tax paperwork. I'm better at it and I make sure he's involved. We discuss larger purchases but, he never tells me how to spend money. When we owned our business together, owned a three flat and our own home, I did the books for all three. He took care of repairs and maintenance. We worked side by side and still do.

The problem with doesn't lie with men. It lies with the paternalistic attitude of Republicans and some of them are women.



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Myrea, you're raising a great kid there..but I suspect you know that! WTG Mom!

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Shirley, judging from the conviction with which the women on this board argue our points, I would suspect all the mothers on The Soapbox qualify as strong female role models.

By the way, that's not to say that a single father can't raise a son into a strong man. I just think that being a weak, submissive female in a young man's life is actually worse than not being there at all.

Edited by: MYREALANA at: 4/17/2012 (14:34)
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Overheard in my family room:

Liam is my son, 9 years old and in the 3rd grade. Hayden is his classmate.

Hayden: Of course she's dummer than you. She's a girl.
Liam: Girls are just as smart as boys.
Hayden: No they're not. That's why they're girls.
Liam: Dude! Have you MET my mom?

I don't know much about Hayden or his family, but I know I like my boy.

And, I have always made more than my husband - both of them actually. Right now, I make about 50% more than him. It causes exactly 0 friction in our marriage. I have a BS and MBA; he has not yet finished college. His brother makes less than his wife. She has a BA; he has a GED. My brother makes less than his wife. She has two masters; he has a BA.

None of us cares who makes more money, or debates about whose career is more important. None of the men in these relationships harbor any kind of resentment. We all went into these situations well aware of the financial realities.

Edited by: MYREALANA at: 4/17/2012 (14:34)
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Myrea thanks for the compliment.You didn't know you gave me one ! Right!? And here after all of these years I find out my oldest son is the success he is in life thanks to me.For the longest time I thought he was a throw back to some ancestor who had a successful life.Plus being very poplar with both other males and females too.Actually his longtime girlfriend thinks he's too poplar.A little jealousy there. emoticon

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Bride5,thank you for that info about the law against domestic abuse being canceled.That I definetly don't like.I am aware of spousal abuse and abuse of children.I am sorry to say that happened to my youngest step daughter and she never told us until she divorced him.Actually she may not have because her retired Army father would have probably beaten him to death.She didn't ever tell him the whole story didn't tell me until 20 years after her dad died.I can barely stand the sight of him and I lived in the same town he lived in until a few years ago and being raised by a good Daddy who taught me courtesy I had to say hello when he spoke and how I hated that.Recently I found out he abused the kids too.Thank God we don't live in the same town now.That is the limit! My daughter could have done something finally did but children are helpless.Regards rape laws I had better not mention what I would recommend for male rapists.You can probably guess.I am against any form of abuse.My biological daughter would slug any man who slugged her or anything else right back.I did have to from time to time break she and her brother who was born before her up because he was jealous of her and they sometimes had actual fist fights.Raising 5 is real work like Romney's wife said.I do admire people who stand up for what they believe like being in March's.I think most here know I don't believe in abortion unless the mother's life is in danger.In these days of birth control there should never be any other need of it.Raped? they have the morning after pill.Years ago about 15 of them.I was in a march against abortion in FL.you should have seen my oldest son's face when I told him.He said Mom I know you practically worship babies but you could have gotten arrested.I said then I would have called you to bail me out.He shook his head but I said you know you would have.He just grinned.I will add it was a peaceful march on a main highway.We didn't grab people show them nasty pictures or anything like that.I would never have part of molesting docs or nurses either.At the hospital where I worked for 15 years the nurses just refused to scrub in with docs who did abortions so women who did get them had to drive 70 miles if they did insist on one.I had a tubal ligation when I knew I wanted no more children.If I'd been rich like the Kennedy's I'd have had a dozen probably.I primarily agree with you. emoticon

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I agree Myrea..also chuckling at the idea that men automaticlly make more than their wives unless they are unemployed. My family is atypical, because my husband worked in a field with a lower pay scale than my field, for a company with fewer benefits than my work place..my mother was a CPA with a firm..made more than my dad who was highly skilled and worked every day of his life in his blue collar field. My DIL makes a 6 figure salary, my son is a teacher and doesn't. Nobody is homeless, nobody is unemployed and nobody is lazy..but for three genertions, the women in the family chose professions that out earned their spouses. More to the point, the marriages were full partenrships and each spouse was doing the work they loved, so nobody minded the salary descrepency..not even the men. It benefiitted the whole fmily you see.

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Bridie,

I think strong women raise strong men.

Men who grow up with a weak female role model never learn respect for women or for themselves.

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Women are the primary "breadwinners" in 1 out of 3 families where both partners work.

The assumption that a woman needs to get married so a man can take care of her finanicially is outdated and sexist.

Marriage has all kinds of advantages, but being tied to a man's money shouldn't be one of them.


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Almost all the men I know have bigger financial assests.Of course if one marries a gold digger or a homeless man that's a diffirent story.I enjoy feeding and rehabllitateing the homeless in a controlled atmosphere but marry one no way. emoticon

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People espically women are better off getting maried than just living with a man because then if there is a split they get half otherwise they get zero.
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I should get married so that a man can take 50% of my assets if I decide I want out?

Not a persuasive argument.

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ITA Shirley..this is not a battle of the sexes, doesn't involve resentment toward men, only resentment towards inequality.I like men too..have a terrific second husband that I have loved and lived with for almost 4 decades, have three sons i cherish who are believers in equal rights for all human beings, and one of them and my husband are joining me in DC on the 28th for the Unite Against the war on women march. I am crazy about my 4 grndsons, ages 7 through 25. Heck, my Dad was a terrific guy who's liking and respect for women was legendary. One thing has nothing to do with the other. I can love men to death, and still wnt strong rape lws, equal pay, and freedom to make my own decisions regarding my person and my family. My first Dh was abusive and an a hole, true..but some women are too..my concern about that is that the bill protecting families against domestic violence has lapsed because they voted not to renew it. That's scary and serious. I may be well treated, but approximately 4 women die daily due to spousal abuse. I saw far far too many battered wives and battered children come through the ER in my time. I feel a responsibility to care about my less fortunate sisters out there, who now have less protection under the law. Nursing is a female dominated profession (although I am the mother of both a male BSN, and female BSN as well.) and I know that .we nurses suffered no discrimination due to being female, unlike my friend who is a female Dr, my DIL who is almost done with law school, and another friend who is in finance. I know that our experiences in the work place as nurses are not typical, and don't indicate that discrimination doesn't exist for others in other professions. It does, and so does unequal pay..although with the new laws that will hopefully change. . I feel a responsibility to my daughters and my granddaughters and their futures..I may be a senior citizen, but I want to leave the gift of an ERA to my daughters and their daughters before I die.

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Well coachpenny is a great gal.I surprise am an independant person.Ask my oldest son.No one tells this old girl what to do.I fight not just to maintain but to do better.I have no bitterness but with some I feel this coming through.I don't think men are superior to me but I do think they're equal and very needed.I have been blessed in my life to have some great examples of men though.I have no one I'm seeking to get even with.Thanks partly to a great Daddy and a great oldest son.I have a miracle baby too but he happens to be almost 57.Anyway with some posts I feel anger coming through toward the male sex perhaps these individuals aren't even aware of it.We do need men and not just to reproduce with.I agree if we see wrongs being done we need to speak up.Peace! emoticon

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Shirley there have been over one hundred pieces of legislation either presented or passed in the last two years that are chipping away at women's rights. I got my nursing degree later in life went to school with four kids, as a single Mom..what does that have to do with anything at all? Abuse is alive and well in the USA..that's why I became a single Mom. if you think everything is copcetic, I would suggest doing some research. You might learn some things that surprise you. The congress nd house just failed to renew the laws protecting women..very recently..Unequal pay ws alive and frequent..the Ledbetter Act was just passed. The ERA has yet to be passed..that isn't whining..thts fact..

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"I am very satisfied with my life and don't feel put upon by any man.Here in the USA women have been free for years.So why do I hear this we are abused song all the time.Read your history from 100 years ago and please stop complaining and yelling you're abused by men or anyone else.That's my honest opinion."

Well Shirley, I congratulate you on your accomplishments. My MIL is also a retired nurse and went to school later in life as well. Anyone who takes on additional schooling while raising a family has my admiration.

As the commercial (for cigarettes no less...ugh!) use to say, way back in the day......"We've Come A Long Way Baby". Yes, women have made lots of strides....we can vote...didn't always have that right. We can have careers OR stay home with our children...which BTW, isn't any easier. Some do both...combine work and being home with the kids, opting for flexible scheduling or part time work options. Or they can choose not to have children. Do women generally, make as much as men in the same position? No, they do not but again, strides have been made. Being old-fashioned, I also believe in marriage but, we do have that choice. We also have access to birth control and choice over our bodies.....something that in some nations....are restricted by religious and male dominated governments.

BUT, to say that today's women are a bunch of whiners because, they do not wish the clock to turn back to 100 years ago or even 40 years ago is "nearsighted" thinking. Society won't lose those gains in one fell swoop. It will happen in increments, over time, chipping away, step by step....law by law.......IF we don't stay diligent. If we ignore the signs or allow religion or conservatism to regulate our equality or if we forget how hard won these gains have been and they can slip away.

Edmund Burke said.........

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

To paraphrase, I say......

All that is necessary for women's rights to be compromised is for good men and women to do nothing....while war is waged by those who consider a woman to be a lessor being.

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Too much complaining about how abused we poor women are.I am almost 77 and I don't remember anything changing much since I was born except for the morals of most people male/female going downhill.And I'm not speaking of my religious beliefs here.People espically women are better off getting maried than just living with a man because then if there is a split they get half otherwise they get zero.Even women who never darken the door of a church should see that.I always made a good salary because I got a good education and then was a good worker.Did I work before I went to nurse's school? You better believe I did I raised 5 children and my oldest son and I graduated the same year.He from high school and I from college.No.1 in my class too and did part of the house work and cooking while in school.Disabled HB and my children helped a lot and yes my sons can cook,do laundry and clean a house as well as most women.My daughters too.I am very satisfied with my life and don't feel put upon by any man.Here in the USA women have been free for years.So why do I hear this we are abused song all the time.Read your history from 100 years ago and please stop complaining and yelling you're abused by men or anyone else.That's my honest opinion. emoticon

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Hardly our champions...they haven't a clue.



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I know, right? Look what happened to the poor woman (Hillary something) who said Ann Romney had never worked a day in her life. Pretty stupid thing to say, 'cause anyone who has kids knows they're a ton of work! However...the GOP have run with it. And now all of a sudden...in the midst of all their initiatives against women they want us to believe they are our champions.

Only if you haven't been paying attention over the last decade!

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It's not the thread that could go viral...I'm speaking of the publicity and controversy surrounding the man's announcement.



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I thought of that too, Penny. I doubt this thread is going viral and going to damage the gay rights movement. I thought we were just discussing the merits of whether or not a stroke could actually change someone in this way.

The brain is probably the most complex organ in our body. I don't pretend to know anything about it or this case. But there does appear to be some research into other case studies that would verify this guy was not the only one to experience a change in sexual orientation. One from a man who was gay...had two strokes and turned heterosexual, as we read when you were here.

If we are "hardwired" a certain way, no one has the right to insist we "fix" it. Just as they don't have a right to insist we have an unwanted child. Our bodies...our decision.

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Hi Willam.....I have added this feature back in numerous times and it comes back and promptly disappears. Spark is no help when I contact them...annoying.



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IF and this is a big IF the young man was gay to begin with and didn't realize it, it doesn't necessarily mean he manufactured a story to come clean with himself. People bury all sorts of things in their sub-conscious mind. They repress all sorts of information. It doesn't mean they are lying to themselves, if they are not consciously aware.

I know next to nothing about this subject but, I am not sure that romantic and sexual attraction are one in the same as the reference below seems to allude to. They can go hand in hand but, not always. I also think that those people who think they can "cure" a gay person will have a field day with this. They'll be advocating neural circuit manipulation and/or chemical "therapy".

How does that help the gay community?



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Yep...funny that. I don't imagine he just went out and called a press conference. I'm just sayin'...it's weird, yes, but totally impossible? I don't think so.

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Gott agree with willam about how weird it is that he went to the press with it..funny, but I';ve always considered my sex life really privte and personal. Go figure..

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So...he knew it and had to manufacture a stroke to come clean with himself? Sorry...I don't buy that.

"Attraction, I hypothesize, is associated in the brain primarily with high levels of the neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine and with low levels of serotonin. This emotion system evolved chiefly to enable males and females to distinguish among potential mating partners..."

"I theorize that...mammals have evolved a specific “attraction circuit” in the brain that becomes active when an individual sees, hears, smells, or touches an appropriate mating partner—a neural circuit that creates a condition humans have come to call romantic love."

If the brain is responsible for all these complicated activities during attraction, whose to say they can't be affected by a stroke? I'm not a scientist...or a doctor, but it just seems flippant to say this guy knew he was gay on some level and just had to come to terms with it.

http://www.dana.org/news/cerebrum/detail
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Penny, I have had that problem a few times. Go back to your teams and click again to receive the notifications and the problem stops, even if only temporarily…
You know what Bridie? If he needs a stroke to face who he is, go for it. I just think it is funny to go to the news for that….
Me? Even during the years I kept repeating to myself “it is just a phase”, I knew it was not. I just needed my time to come to accept it and learn how to live as me. And believe me, it took time….



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Having grown up with three brothers, one of them gay, I have always assumed that his differences (from sensitivity and nurturing qualities to his gentleness and emphathetic abilities) were innate and part of who he was at a cellular level. For me...not scientific, to be clear...this just doesn't seem like that far a stretch to me. What makes us look at an individual and be attracted to their smile...hair...body...smell? Is it such a stretch to think that these attractions stem from a chemical/hormonal reaction in our brains?

"There are many documented cases offering proof that strokes and traumatic brain injury can result in major changes in a person’s sexual behavior and personality...[some losing] their sex drive, [while] others see an increase in drive.

"Clark-Flory also cited a report in The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinicial Neurosciences, about a man who went from homosexual to heterosexual after having a stroke." Penny and I read about this one last night. This same man picked up photography (an interest he had never had prior to the stroke) and had a show a year later.

Clark-Flory "...also consulted with Richard Wassersug, a neurobiology professor at Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia. In his research he has found that when some men are deprived of androgens, namely steroid hormones such as testosterone, their sexual orientation can change."

"“By extension, if a stroke knocks out certain centers in the brain with androgen receptors, it is not a big jump to consider it possible for a stroke to alter sexual orientation,”" Wassersug told Clark-Flory."


"So Birch’s story, about turning gay after having a stroke, may not be so crazy after all."



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The brain is indeed a wierd thing and most people say it is actually the main thing involved in sex,I am NOT an expert. emoticon

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On the topic of strokes..I have seen personality changes following stroke however..depending on which area of the brain was affected by the CVA..so on speculation it could happen maybe..

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I do't get team otificatios either, but that's OK.

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I have updated my email notifications data several times over the last several weeks and Spark has repeatedly, stopped sending me notifications. I still get notification for Sparkmail but, not for the teams.....anyone else having these issues???

Spark claims it is my email provider causing this but, why then am I getting other Spark notifications...weird.



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Don't know...there isn't a lot of info. My first instinct would be to assume he was gay and didn't know it but, who knows.



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LMAO Willam..yeh, Ib elieve that one..NOT! We are whatever we are born to be ..and there's nothing wrong with it so no need for excuses..poor fool, he obviously doesn't know that yet. BTW..I had a small transient stroke in 2001..and it didn't turn me gay. Just saying..

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You want strange and bizarre? Here I go...

Kris Birch, British Man Who Claims Stroke Turned Him Gay, Speaks To BBC

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Shirley, LOL!...you must be eating your wheaties!

Chris, that was hilarious too and the rest of the video was really...riveting.



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Well Shirley! I laughed so hard...my computer screen is clean only because I had just swallowed my tea prior to popping in here.

Well...I don't walk on water, but I do love Bill Mayer. Not as much as Jon Stewart. But his show is fun to watch. Thought this was funny and I hope ya'll like it.

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testing, testing 1-2-3

Let's make this a mucho bizarro thread. Post something strange and bizarre.

New Commercial for Rick Santorum......... www.youtube.com/watch?v=515p8BVOnpc&
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