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3/13/13 5:39 P

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Lynn, given the opportunity I would have lap band surgery but not the bariatric. We don't have such opportunities in Canada without a lot of red tape. The lap band is out of reach financially for me.

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My suggestion to everyone is that you read Beth's blog today on Weight Loss Surgery. While totally in agreement with her, I also do not feel that I am somehow deviant because I had lapband surgery and it really pains me when someone calls it a "quick fix." I wish to God it was but it is only a tool, just like any other tool. Tools don't work unless a person uses them; they don't work by themselves. Actually, I did not find lapband surgery more than a passing discomfort for a couple of days. It is minimally invasive laparoscopic surgery and can be reversed without much difficulty. The risk level is less than 1% out of every 3,000-4,000 procedures at Blue Cross Surgical Centers of Excellence. Would I do it again? In a heartbeat!

That said, would I consider any other weight loss surgery? No because they all require significant surgical procedures that are essentially not reversible and generally lead to a state of chronic malnourishment because the recipient does not follow recommendations for supplements, etc. In other words, they expect a surgical process to solve all their problems.

Here's a final point. The people who are not successful with weight loss surgery will also not be successful with Spark People or any other program. We have all seen them and been them so let's not be so sanctimonious that we can't accept the fact we are here to support each other in the life-long lifestyle change we are trying to make, regardless of the tools we use.

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3/13/13 12:44 A

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Thank you so much, everyone of you, for your wonderful words. I really am pretty certain I won't be doing it. I really can't live my life about eating a ton of tiny meals a day!

I have been successful with Sparkpeople and I believe that with the help of my Nephrologists' Dietitian I'll be able to do about 10 pounds a month. My daughter went to see my Neurosurgeon today and I told him that I was down to 210 and he all but jumped up and down with happiness that I was really going after this.

I'm not waiting for the Dietitian though I'm working on it by myself right now. Well actually WITH ALL OF YOU! LOL I too am really squeamish about surgery in my abdomen. Just like my other Ortho/spine surgeon wanted to open up my whole side to work on the front of the spine! I am not going with him. My Neurosurgeon is able to do the same thing with minimally invasive surgery. Just a couple of one inch incisions instead of the whole side. I'm not happy with that either but it's better than my whole side!

I just really want to lose the weight fast so I can get my back surgery and get out of this PAIN!

That being said I also want to be able to live the rest of my life not centered around food. I'd rather be able to go out walking, hiking, walking the dog, gardening etc... Not worried or thinking about eating.

Well thank you again for all the great thoughts as well as the encouragement. I can really use that at this moment.

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3/13/13 12:16 A

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See how you feel after the six months. I'm betting if you see the nutritionist and they get you started eating healthier you will see a big change in yourself at the end of the time. You may even have changed so much that you will be able to do it on your own. At least if you do have the surgery after all of that you will have learned to eat healthy.

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3/12/13 7:56 P

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Everyone has made some excellent points. Nothing much I can add...except to say that my daughter had that surgery about 5 years ago. She was lucky because she lost all the way down to her goal weight. But then, shortly after she lost the weight, she began to gain back a lot of the weight she'd lost. Currently she has regained almost half of her weight back.
I wish you well in whatever decision you make.


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3/12/13 5:54 P

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I also considered surgical weight loss. I decided against it, and while I wouldn't press you in either direction, I will tell you the reasons I opted out.

First, it's abdominal surgery. No matter what version they use, you get into the abdominal cavity, and you subject yourself to anesthesia, and both of those things have risks which are (IMO) greater risk than obesity.

Second, from reports I've seen, very many people do end up regaining the weight they lost, and then some. Lot of money and risk when the outcome can't be guaranteed.

Third, even if you lose the weight through surgery, if you don't change your eating habits and lifestyle, you're nearly doomed to fail to maintain. This is a big problem for me; I've never dieted, so I've had no experience with how and what I SHOULD be eating. I need the long slow natural weight loss to give myself time to learn these things so I can make it a lifetime habit.

As you've already seen, the preparatory period before surgery is already a very controlled diet. Depending on the type of surgery they do, it's equally (if not more) restrictive following the surgery. While I'm sure no responsible hospital or physician would release you before it's certain you're adapting to new eating habits and timing, the reports I've heard of people having to learn "the hard way" by eating too much or the wrong things while still recovering from the surgical insult to your stomach and having the incision rupture (I mean the stomach itself, not the skin closure) frightened me right out of the idea. This would be especially significant in my case, because I'm not widely known for self control sometimes. All it would take would be an "innocent" bite or two more than I should have to end up in very bad straits. Coming from a medical family and a medical career, I know how dangerous an abdominal infection can be. You can't completely clear out the digestive contents which would leak into your abdominal cavity following a rupture ... yes, they can lavage... but it's still a Very Bad Thing.

The final line for me is that if I would need to take control of my lifestyle and eating habits anyway, why would I spend even the copay on an expensive surgery like this? I can't justify it. Besides, it's not just about weight. The diet we've been prescribed addresses health even more than weight loss - controlling or improving health problems already present and also preventing others or just getting to a more healthy plateau.

On the "plus" side, if there is one, what I've seen of surgical weight loss patients is that they do lose a LOT of weight, and very quickly. But that benefit (assuming you can call it that) comes nowhere near outweighing or even balancing against the "down" side.

I couldn't do it. I've accomplished a lot by just sticking to the diet our endocrinologist prescribed to us. I've lost the equivalent of a fairly large person from my frame. Yes, it's taken a very long time. I'm disgusted and sometimes discouraged by that part (and I'm not "done" yet!). I still have anticipated future surgery to remove all the excess tissue I'm now carrying around. I will go to that willingly, if not eagerly. But that's as much surgery as I need. Your body doesn't know "beneficial" surgery from mortal trauma. I've done enough bad things to my body. I'm trying to repent of that now.

I wish you well in whatever choice you make.
You'll still need a support group, even if you do take the surgical route. And we'll all still be here for you. Please keep us updated.

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3/12/13 11:24 A

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Good luck, whatever you decide.

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3/12/13 10:34 A

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I totally agree with you Barb5970. It is way to drastic for me and I am having success with this, even though it is slow. Indy girl is such an inspiration.

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3/12/13 10:13 A

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My sister-in-law had the procedure, while still in the hospital recovering, it was discovered that the surgery caused a hernia so she had a second surgery to have it repaired. After that surgery she started running a very high fever and ended up with a staff infection. The area of her incision had to reopened and irrigated for 4 months. All that time was spent in the hospital on IV antibiotics. She did loose 120 lbs, but gained back every pound plus extra. All that she went through did not cure what really is causing the weight problem.

Personally, I'm too afraid to ever consider such a drastic procedure. It's major surgery, it comes with too many risks. I really believe weight loss is achievable without surgery. INDYGIRL is clear proof of that.

Make your decision carefully. Good Luck with whatever you decide.

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3/12/13 8:59 A

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My sister had it done and has been a 4 year success. She has restrictions on some medications. She is very careful with her diet but isn't really restricted to what she eats. She did no exercise as her weight fell off so she is so saggy everywhere. She really needs tucks everywhere and insurance won't cover it. She is happy with her loss and is willing to stay with many small meals in order to maintain. She is barely 5 ft. and went from 220 pounds to 109. I really don't think this is the way for everyone, me included.

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3/12/13 6:39 A

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I have heard of people gaining back the weight so I think you made the right decision for you and you already know Sparkpeople works and you meet people from all over

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3/12/13 5:50 A

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I was preparing for the bariatric surgery ( doing some tests...) but then i have changed my mind when they gave me to sign the list of all the possible risks. There, it was clearly said, that some people do not loose any weight, they may even gain some weight instead. Not to mention the possible anemia, life long dependance on taking additional vitamins, and possible digestion problems. All this stopped me from doing it. I couldn't stop thinking, that I may permanently loose my good working body functions, and still remain morbidly obese.
Instead I joined the SP. At first I noticed very little progress, but with the Spark Coach, things are much much better.

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3/12/13 5:49 A

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It can save lives, but the decision should never be made lightly. I've known a few who have gained their weight back, one who is debilitated, and one who got nerds and a few hernias from it resulting in 4 more surgeries. She is the best case out of them all. Her name on here is Hoosiergirlindy. I do believe kitt52 had a very successful surgery. I don't know her personally, but she is very inspiring!

Whatever you decide, make sure you realize that this is stomach surgery and not brain surgery. You will still have the same head hunger and emotional battles with food. Don't take the 6 months lying down. Take them to prepare to be in the best shape of your life for this surgery. You will either get it and be healthy that way, or find you have the strength to do it with SparkPeople.

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3/12/13 4:43 A

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My doctor suggested bariatric surgery for me last year.
Decided I would work on weight loss with SP.
So far it is working and I am happy with the results.

My opinion?
I think it is a quick fix and without behavior modification and lifestyle changes the risk of regaining the weight could be likely.

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3/12/13 4:23 A

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3/12/13 2:50 A

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I know two people who had the surgery. One woman - a coworker in her early 30s, lost about 150 pounds, but she never learned to eat properly. She gained it all back plus more. Her idea of a healthy lunch was a grilled cheese sandwich and french fries!

The other person was also a coworker, a young man in his late 20s. He came in to work about 2 weeks after his surgery to visit, and a week later he died. Apparently, he developed an infection from the incision that turned into septicemia & killed him.

Unless there were no other options, and the surgery would save my life, I wouldn't have it done.

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3/12/13 2:38 A

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It is sometimes a life saver for some people...but is also very debilitating for others! I personally have never considered it bc of that wait and having to "diet" anyways so why not do it on your own past that 6 months you were already doing it before surgery!? And I have seen where others think it's a quick fix, but don't get mind help and change their thinking and then end up right back where they started!? I would never tell someone either way...to do it or not...that is a choice they need to make on their own and in their own best interest! Good luck to you in whichever you choose!



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3/12/13 1:59 A

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I am glad you have 6 months to think about this. Doing it without surgery is always best. See what you can do in 6 months then do what you think is best for you. emoticon

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3/12/13 1:41 A

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WOW!

The more I am learning about Bariatric Surgery the more I'm thinking I really don't want to do it! That is really a lot of work and I'm truly not sure I could be that restrictive on my eating! I'm having second and third thoughts about this.

I have to complete 6 months of a Dr directed diet anyways before my insurance company will pay for it. So I figure I have 6 months to think about this.

I've talked with my Nephrologist and I'm going to start up with his Dietitian since I have Kidney disease. It's very little and totally under control but I don't want to aggravate it. I figure between Sparkpeople, his Dietitian and the next 6 months I'm going to see if I can do it on my own!

I'm also reading Thrive by Brendan Brazier. It's truly interesting and cool. He's the only Vegan Ironman who keeps doing Ironman races and has done amazing research about getting in shape and what the body truly needs to recuperate. Fascinating research. Kinda blows my mind. With my Kidney disease being more vegetarian and closer to Vegan is recommended anyways.

I just spent two hours in a Support Group meeting and just was floored about how much eating is about timing and what you eat when etc. after this type of a surgery.

Well that was my stressor for the night.

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