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9/12/13 8:29 A

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i'm sure all those things that are toxic to dogs are also toxic to humans.

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9/12/13 7:19 A

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I'm not arguing with your experience. I'm providing the information to others, who may or may not want to know what these respected sources say, in addition to the information you've provided. Again, I'm glad your experiences have been positive ones.

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Some people think the “plant-based whole foods diet” is extreme. Half a million a year will have their chests opened up and a vein taken from their leg and sewn onto their coronary artery. Some people would call that extreme.
- Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, “Forks Over Knives”
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9/11/13 9:34 P

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The dog ate 10 pounds


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9/11/13 6:11 P

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Again, I think you've been lucky.
Humane Society:
m.humanesociety.org/animals/resource
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tips/foods_poisonous_to_pets.html

WebMD:
pets.webmd.com/dogs/ss/slideshow-foo
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-your-dog-should-never-eat

ASPCA:
www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-b
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Among many more.

Re chocolate:
Chocolate and Cocoa - contains a chemical called theobromide that is toxic to dogs and affects the heart, lungs, kidney and central nervous system. Pure baking chocolate or very dark chocolate is most toxic, while more diluted forms, such as milk chocolate or cocoa butter require much more to be injested to cause harm. A 20 pound (9 kg) dog can be poisoned after consuming about 2 ounces (56 grams) of baking chocolate, but it would take nearly 20 ounces (566 grams) of milk chocolate to cause serious harm. Note: some dogs may be more sensitive and react with lesser amounts than the quantities stated above. Symptoms: hyperactivity, excitement, tremors, seizures, vomiting, diarrhea, abnormal heart rate, "drunken" walking, hyperthermia and coma. Possible Outcomes: Damage to heart, lungs, kidney organs, and coma or death.


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Some people think the “plant-based whole foods diet” is extreme. Half a million a year will have their chests opened up and a vein taken from their leg and sewn onto their coronary artery. Some people would call that extreme.
- Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, “Forks Over Knives”
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my sisters labrador ate a 10 lb promotional chocolate bar. the idea that the candy is toxic to dogs is an old wives tale

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9/10/13 8:49 P

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And yet humans can eat chocolste, but it's dangerous for dogs. I looked at the lists on the Humane Society website, and the one for the ASPCA, just to review. They both list grapes. I think your dog was one of the lucky ones, and wouldn't want to promote grape-eating for all dogs. I wouldn't want to take the chance. I'm glad your dog had no problem with them. From the ASPCA site:

"Grapes and raisins have recently been associated with the development of kidney failure in dogs. At this time, the exact cause of the kidney failure isn’t clear, nor is it clear why some dogs can eat these fruits without harm, while others develop life-threatening problems after eating even a few grapes or raisins. Some dogs eat these fruits and experience no ill effects—but then eat them later on and become very ill. Until the cause of the toxicosis is better identified, the safest course of action is to avoid feeding grapes or raisins to your dog. Dogs experiencing grape or raisin toxicosis usually develop vomiting, lethargy or diarrhea within 12 hours of ingestion. As signs progress, dogs become increasingly lethargic and dehydrated, refuse to eat and may show a transient increase in urination followed by decreased or absent urination in later stages. Death due to kidney failure may occur within three to four days, or long-term kidney disease may persist in dogs who survive the acute intoxication. Successful treatment requires prompt veterinary treatment to maintain good urine flow."

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Some people think the “plant-based whole foods diet” is extreme. Half a million a year will have their chests opened up and a vein taken from their leg and sewn onto their coronary artery. Some people would call that extreme.
- Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, “Forks Over Knives”
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9/9/13 9:21 A

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my dog would eat 2 pounds of grapes (and she picked them 1 grape at a time) in one sitting. she would steel a large bag of them a couple of times each summer and would not get sick from them. she lived to about 14. dogs have a giant liver. for a food to be toxic to them, it would have killed a few humans. they eat rotted dead things on the road and week old garbage.

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9/8/13 10:26 P

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" I've even trained encroaching ants not to do drum-practice late at night."

Wow! You are good!!!

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9/8/13 10:12 P

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Can confirm happily fish free Terry.

Rabbits? Not on your nellie.
Giraffes? All clear.
Siberian hamsters? Nope.
The place is overflowing with pet-free bliss mate! I've even trained encroaching ants not to do drum-practice late at night.

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The only "pets" I have right now are a 10 gallon aquarium full of 7 little fish. It may sound silly, but I "do" talk to them when I feed them! LOL! Fish are not "warm and cuddly" and you can't "pet" them, but they are easy to keep and do provide relaxing scenery. (Plus, I have two fish called Mollies that are downright entertaining! They always rush up to the glass when I come near and love to chase each other playfully in the tank.)

Are you "happily fish free", Alan? emoticon emoticon

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Happily cat free too.

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9/7/13 7:05 P

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Cats are carnivores and will suffer terrible side affects from a pure vegan diet. I have seen news articles of cats who have died. Never completely vegan for cats if you love your furbabies. Even the Compassionate Cook and Happy Herbivore did articles on Cats not able to be pure vegan.


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9/7/13 3:04 P

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BTW, the dog food I give my babies is grain-free because I don't believe in GMOs for my pals anymore than I do for myself. And while it does, sadly, include turkey, it contains no meat by-products, wheat, corn, soy, artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. It does contain things like tomato, carrots, flaxseed, kale, sweet potatoes, broccoli, spinach, blueberries, apples...

I like the zombie's recipe because you'd know that you're not giving the dogs GMO'd grains because you'd be buying them yourself. I know I can't do it right now (I can barely cook for myself!) but I'd like to do it someday.

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Some people think the “plant-based whole foods diet” is extreme. Half a million a year will have their chests opened up and a vein taken from their leg and sewn onto their coronary artery. Some people would call that extreme.
- Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, “Forks Over Knives”
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9/7/13 12:55 P

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Sorry 'boutcha, Alan!
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My dogs love carrots and lots of other veggies. (I'm a messy cook & they keep the floor clean. LOL!)
Be careful, tho! Certain foods are toxic to dogs, such as grapes, garlic & onions. Google the list, if in doubt.

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Some people think the “plant-based whole foods diet” is extreme. Half a million a year will have their chests opened up and a vein taken from their leg and sewn onto their coronary artery. Some people would call that extreme.
- Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, “Forks Over Knives”
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Happily dog free.

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9/6/13 1:18 P

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dogs are omnivores. they are designed to eat every and anything. that's why they have a giant liver. i had a dog that would steel tomatoes from the garden (only the ripe ones) she would also steel grapes. she loved grapes so much that no matter how high up in the kitchen we would put them, she would get to them. she was 85lbs pitbull/yellow lab mix. the only veggies she wouldn't eat was onions and mushrooms. many of the dog owners i work with (i'm the only vegan) will use carrots as a treat for their dogs.

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9/6/13 1:08 P

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My dog will take kale stems and broccoli out of the compost bucket, even if it is right next to her full bowl of dog food. She follows me around when I harvest sugar snap peas, and looks at me with great big puppy dog eyes until I give her one. I give her the slightly over-ripe ones. (She won't eat the really over-ripe ones). I swear she will eat 20 or 30 of them, and she's only a 25 pound dog.





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9/6/13 12:43 P

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I haven't had a dog since Crystal passed away. She was a black lab/husky mix and our 4 legged daughter and she loved her veggies. When she passed I swore not to have another dog, it hurt too much to lose her.

We have a cat now and he is so picky! I wonder if Jon is going to create a vegan cat food recipe. Chachi eats a vegetarian cat food so vegan wouldn't be too much different. ;-)

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9/6/13 12:41 P

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I have a Jack Russell who loves carrots, apples and bananas! I think that all of our dogs would eat this recipe. I'll ask the Vegan Zombie about cost & servings. Thanks for sharing this!

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9/6/13 12:39 P

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Tammy, if you ask him on the You Tube page that its on, I know from experience that he's very good about answering questions there--he could tell you how many servings it makes.

I'm not a vet, but to me it sounds like a combination of foods that would be good for fido's digestive system (and really good for anyone's digestive system! The cameraman said it tasted good, too! Ha!)

It's weird how dogs can be so different. Every dog I've ever owned would turn up their noses at anything grainy or veggie. But you can hand my sisters pugs a carrot, green bean or potato, and they go to town munching it down!

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9/6/13 12:26 P

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Our dogs eat bugs and each other's poo (YUK!!); I'm pretty sure they would eat this stuff!

Seriously, though, I would be interested to know how many servings this makes, and how much it costs to make. Our college-aged daughter, who lives with us, recently adopted a black lab pup from the animal shelter. The puppy has had a lot of digestive issues and I'm wondering if this would something good to feed her, along with our other two dogs.

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Do you folks who have pets ever make your pet some vegan food as a treat? Here's a recipe for dog food from the vegan zombie. Now I can tell you right off the bat, no dog I've ever owned would EVER eat this! It's not meat based, and every dog I've had wants meat, not veggies.

However, my sister has two pug dogs that LOVE veggies--so they would love this.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V76UAL7PgJA&
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