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So I step away (again) for a few days to find - the Team is right on track with my thoughts, again! I've been meaning to post this, just got to a computer so I could:

I was thinking after the discussion rounded down last week about "diet fatigue" and what that means to me. I really don't think that 'boredom' with my food is where its at.

I used to use food as comfort, solace, emotional release, celebration - pretty much what you all are posting about trying to find non-food ways to celebrate.

At this point food is just food - I'm finding and USING new outlets for my emotional health. I'm using exercise for my emotional and physical health. I'm spending 'me' time, enjoying and finishing crafts, reading, writing - and putting food in its 'place'.

So I think for me food just doesn't have that emotional "charge" that it used to - I don't think its fatigue I'm feeling so much as non-emotional eating eating. I think I'm getting healthier (but I know I will still and DO still struggle), and that is what I'm experiencing right now!

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The interesting thing about bringing healthy options is that a lot of time other people in the gathering clean you out! I can't tell you how many times I've brought a dish and had it gone before I was able to take some! People choose healthy when they can I've found so take more then you need. You can always take the left overs home and have them the next day.

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5/16/12 2:41 P

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Thanks @PUDGYNOMORE I love the idea of a list of ways to celebrate an occasion that doesn't involve food. Those times always are a challenge. That got me thinking that I should take more control of what's on the table if I'm invited somewhere, not in a pushy way but just bringing healthier options. Sometimes it's just all in the presentation that can make something healthy look more appealing. I might have to see if there are any ideas on the pinterest.
What a great supportive group there is here as we all work towards learning lifelong healthy habits!

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The last couple of posts got me thinking. How did I celebrate Mother's Day??? A nice meal with more carbs and calories then were necessary. I'm going to post a question today in that thread asking folks to list ways to celebrate an occasion or a holiday that does not involve food. I think it would be helpful to have a list for all of us who are working to change a lifetime of unhealthy habits. After a day or two, I will compile the list and add it to our home page.

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5/16/12 10:00 A

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@NOE - thanks for this reminder ... it's a hard fought lesson for me and something that is slowly sinking in. I have for years marveled at my friends who "eat to live" rather than "live to eat" ... and since I come from a mix of food cultures where we talk about lunch while eating breakfast, talk about snacks while eating lunch, etc ... it's so hard to shift the thinking so that I'm not always thinking about food --- or not justifying bad food choices because somehow i convince myself that i deserve them. i deserve to eat clean and to make smart choices ... and since i feel soooo much better (mentally and physically) doing so ... but it's still work. i long for the day when these new healthy habits are fully integrated for me. this team helps me immeasurably in that regard.

have a great day everyone.

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5/15/12 10:37 P

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The way I try to look at it is that eating is a requirement for life. My body needs fuel to survive. I have the power to control what I put into my body and I think that is a great responsibility. Eating just has to be done there's no other option, so I try to keep it a simple process and not think about it too much. I'd rather put my creative and productive energy into other things. Following the 17dd plan keeps things simple for me.

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Somehow I missed this thread. Thank you @Jrautio for bringing it back up the board with your post.

I really liked reading what everyone had to say. Sometimes someone will say something that totally resonates and that's great. And sometimes someone will say something that i know for me is a deal breaker (my beloved peanut butter is still a taboo food because i can't yet contain myself if it is in the house). i ate it every day of my life until 17DD. well maybe not before i was 2.. but maybe i did.

and i especially appreciated that when one is closer to goal, it really really is ok (maybe even preferable) to be patient and not rush the process especially if burn out is occurring. i have had to learn patience with a slow down and i am very far away from goal (the one on my ticker is there because it meant 101 pounds and that's all i could even dream of). i will reassess once i hit the 170's which also seemed just a dream.

so for me, cycle 1 is still something i need to embrace. to understand it to be the friend it has been and will continue to be. it is what brought me to this point and i still need it. luckily, i do not at all get bored with the limited foods. i really dont. i just slip back into my non preparation mode that makes compliance virtually impossible for me. if i am prepared... i really can easily do a cycle 1 day.

one further point that i did not notice within this thread.... and that is maintenance. i feel very strongly that the real key is not losing the weight but staying at a healthy weight. so, perhaps slowing down and experimenting how best to do that (and each of us has to get our own handle on it for ourselves) will be the key to the true goal. it is not getting to the goal weight. that is the door to the next chapter. rejoice, yes, go back to old ways, no.

and finally... i strongly believe that this team is stronger because of these discussions. please do not feel if you are not following 17DD to a T, you do not belong on the team or should not post.

@Jrautio.... truly you are navigating some very tough waters right now. i send you my most positive thoughts for you and your loved ones.

@Fabbymay... thank you so much for having the courage to post this.

@everyone... thank you for being my incredible team members

with care,
Sharon

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5/15/12 3:33 P

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I'm so glad not to be alone in my 17DD progress (or lack of progress, as it may be!). As I said on another post earlier today, I do better with a structured meal plan, but have not been doing so well with that. I think I'm back to my pre-17DD high weight. Ugh! Need to do better than that, but my willpower has been lacking. You guys help give me some focus!

Also, just wanted to say thanks to everyone for your kind thoughts as I deal with my mom's situation -- I really appreciate it! :)

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I have just restarted c1 (day 3) after jumping all over for awhile. The one thing I like is how everyone says they have been off track but what they are eating is really quite okay compared to what we might have been eating a year ago. In the long run we all have to find what works for us. If you are okay losing slower than do that and add in what ever foods you need to help you. I figure there are so many options to how you can work this way of eating as long as you have completed one full cycle so that you understand how it all works.

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Kathy, I remember taking a spring tonic when I was younger. I think you might have hit the nail on the head.

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5/7/12 10:13 P

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I'm so glad you posted this, FabbyMay. I was too embarrassed to discuss how hard it is to stick to c1 after doing it so easily before. For some reason, and it may be the exercise factor that so many have mentioned, I have been craving oatmeal for breakfast. Go figure. Anyways, thanks to everyone for all the good advice. I feel so much more motivated now that I feel like I can be successful again.

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5/7/12 9:10 P

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OMG Fabbymae, I am so glad you posted this. I started this diet about a month ago. I started off strong. Then I went away on vacation and took a hiatus from the diet. I returned to it, determined for success. Over the weekend I slipped up again when I went to visit my mom. I have decided that this is my last week on C1 and then I am moving on. I think I have been having so many hiccups lately because I have been redoing C1 so many times. I am not a bad eater when I slip, but I eat things not allowed on C1, especially PB! I am looking forward to C2 and adding to my food menu.

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FABBYMAY--I am right there with you, along with many others who have posted and shared. Today is R3 C1 D8, and it is getting very hard to be on C1. I don't think I'll be doing another C1, unless I have to for some reason. I will say that I am a creature of habit and routine. I found a frozen veg mix that I like, and I just change up the spices. The same with my chicken or turkey. Sometimes, it is more Italian spices, and other times it is spicy and/or Mexican spices. We, my family, eat a lot of salad, might be with spinach, lettuce or cabbage. We love green beans and carrots, so at least we can all four eat those. I don't try too many new dishes on this cycle. My menu is limited to a busy mom's schedule. The diet is still working, much slower now, but I am finding that I am thinking about food that is not compliant much more this round. I'm glad to hear that you are staying here with the group! We all need help from one another to move forward.

Julie--I'm sorry to hear about your mother. Be kind to yourself, and do what works for you right now. Take care.


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5/7/12 8:08 P

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Another thought - the seasons are changing!!

There are so many of us that have slowed to a crawl - all of a sudden, I remembered what I used to know years ago when I was living on the east coast of the mainland.....

A doc once told me that our blood is thicker in the winter to help us keep our body temp where it belongs - in the spring, moving into summer, it has to thin out again for the warmer temps - that takes time - during that time of 'thinning' .......we feel like draggin'........(the doc was actually talking about my equines - but he said the principle applies to us too)....

I, of course, can't use that anymore - the coldest we get around here is 59-60 degrees in the dead of winter (which, BTW, we consider downright COLD!!)........but, those of us who live in the tropics don't go thru as much of an adjustment as our friends to the north.......so - can't use that one!!

For me - I have to ramp up my exercise! My body keeps telling me it's time to keep on goin' - it still has energy abounding after I finish what I have done for the day.....

"The more we do, the more we can do......the less we do, the less we will be able to do". That's my own quote that I used to tell my DH years ago when he was struggling with the residuals of his massive stroke. He would get into a funk and not want to get out of bed, etc. So I would tell him that to at least get him up to walk to the kitchen and back. And those little changes usually led to bigger changes and more energy for him.....until the stroke finally won the battle in 1983.

So - walk a little longer tomorrow - the body will tell you to walk further the next day, etc., etc., etc.

Okay - I'm rambling - time to get back to work!

Kathymag

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Well ladies, I really enjoyed all your posts. Why you ask? Because I too struggle on a daily basis and I have found a way for it to work for me...but remember, I have been doing this diet for over a year now. I never stuck with a diet longer than 6 months before giving up on it. Anyhow, I don't want to give up on this because I know it works. But what I have been doing is this...I am on c2 right now and I follow it faithfully all week long...but on the weekend, I am having myself my little treats now and then...like a cocktail or 2 or something other than what is on plan...I guess you can say that I am really doing c4, because I do my little binging (not really binging either just a few treats) and then get back on the horse on Monday morning. I may be only losing 1 lb a week, but I am not gaining and I am very happy.

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Wow for that lady! I do get tired by the end and haven't done much this afternoon but of course it's raining so that's my excuse. People think i'm crazy but it's kind of my social life too and like today I kept it a little on the low side, well except for the last 1/2 hour. I wish I was as dedicated with perfect eating as I am with exercise :(

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BTW KTISFOCUSED - 90 minutes of Zumba + water aerobics?!?!?!? I am SO impressed! I went to a Zumbathon a few weeks ago with a friend and did 90 minutes without any additional water aerobics, and it kicked my you-know-what! Great job!!!

P.S. There was a woman at the Zumbathon who had already lost 100 lbs just through Zumba!

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Great strategy, FabbyMay. Like we all said, it has to work for you and you've done great so far and we can eventually get the last off. For me it is under 15 pounds now. Although I really hoped to have it off by June 17th, don't think it's going to happen but that's ok too. I know what you mean about the exercise helping lots. Keep up the good work and glad you are feeling better about your feelings.

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FabbyMay - whatever you decide to do (and I do support what others here have said in terms of you knowing what works best for you now that you have the tools) ... I don't think ANYONE would object to you still being a part of this team! So please get that concern out of your head! You are an incredibly supportive and valued member of this team! I'm back on C1 for about 10 days now and then am not sure what I'm going to do either but I'm not going anywhere LOL!

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Wow you guys, I am SO glad I posted! I was afraid to post this today because I felt like a failure. Instead, you all lifted me up again! First, it was good to hear that a lot of you are feeling the same way or are in the same boat. Second, it was good to get affirmations and suggestions and support. emoticon Thanks! emoticon

Every person who responded hit a point that resonated with me. First, I really, really can't seem to go through life without nuts (or peanut butter). So, I basically have added some nuts back into my life (but not overboard, and sometimes I include them as my fat). Also, I eat more fruit. Basically, I am eating fairly healthy and not strayed too far off the eating plan (except for last night, which unfortunately involved a major attack of chocolate). It's not like I am eating fried food, high fat meat and tons of processed sugars.

As for the issue of exercise: when I started this on 1 January, I was extremely sedentary. I bought a Fitbit and started going to the gym. I basically went from nothing to walking on average 4-5 miles per day plus strength training and it shows! Not only on my body but my general feeling of well being and energy. While i am on the topic, I LOVE my Fitbit. If I don't have 10,000 steps by the end of the day it motivates me to keep moving around to get them in!

So I have decided to do the following: I will definitely still be on the 17 Day Diet board. I will use C2 and C3 as my "basis" but also continue tracking my food and getting meal ideas from Spark People. I do need/want to lose another 10 lbs, but it is OK for me to take a slower approach to get there rather than to burn out completely and not get there (or worse, backslide).

Thanks again everyone for all of your thoughts!

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The thing that stuck for me is increased exercise.......I would suggest that when we really increase exercise, we have to ramp up to C2/C3 to support the effort. Got a week coming up where exercise won't be an option?......power down to cycle 1........still getting the nutrition, but not the calories that would normally be burned efficiently with the exercise.......that's what seems to make sense........

Kathymag


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Oh, I can't thank you, my 17DDieter friends, enough for this "discussion." I am SO there with every one of you.

With all of your remarks, suggestions & such, I am going to re-group this evening & decide how I shall tackle this 3rd round of C1.

In the meantime, know that you're all in my thoughts & prayers, especially you Julie, as I head to work (in a care facility with 5 ladies all suffering with Alzheimer's-such an awful disease).

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I will defer to others who are closer to goal (like yourself) to answer this....BUT, briefly...

with as much weight to lose as I have (want to go another 90 perhaps) it is not a matter of anything but NECESSITY and absolute WANTing to be unconstrained by the millstones of excess poundage to drag around , and the associated health risks.

You know how this plan works; you have educated yourself in the principles and enjoyed success. The journey is about learning and applying. You are not a monk with precision discipline...not that that is an excuse to live with abandon. How about finding a middle point that is tolerable and moving forward with parameters. See how you do with some freedom in your plan...then come back to the constant of C1 when necessary. Having said that...if you're a compulsive overeater with addiction issues, it is a whole 'nother arena!

Fatigue is draining...give yourself permission to nap and relax...but, please, don't stray from the boards...that constant and "home" is valuable! emoticon

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Ha! I missed Julie's post before I wrote that last post. See Great minds do think alike!

Julie, I'm so sorry about what you are going through right now. Please remember the quote from Wayne Dyer....There really is no stress...only thoughts of stress.

It's so hard to keep your equilibrium when someone that you love is leaving especially when it's bit by painful bit. Make sure that you are taking time to care for yourself in every way that you have time for. I hope that you are in an alzheimer care giver support group through your local hospital. Much love, Cindy

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You two are both doing so great. I like checking out your weight tapes and I'm excited for the changes that you have made. I just thought of another idea. Why don't you consider taking 17 days off of the diet and do the basic spark diet instead. You could do about 1300 calories, have some variety making sure that you do all of the tricks that keep your weight burning....you know, the water, green tea, probiotic, fruit and lemon juice. Making sure that you really track your food. It might be fun to remember why you started the 17 day diet in the first place because it's so much easier then anything else. Just an idea.

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Ugh I'm right there with you - I'm in my 5th round of the diet, and looking at 3-4 more rounds before I hit goal. Cycle 1 is not my friend any longer.

I will be ramping up to C2-C3-C2-C3 (and it does say in the book that after your first round of 1-2-3 you can CHOOSE which Cycle to go back to) and seeing how I fare. I don't lose a lot C1 anyway, C2 is my 'sweet spot' on this diet.

And, if I find I stall out completely or start to gain, I'll just go back to C1. Those foods are the backbone of my menus and my diet now anyway!

(FWIW I've been on C2 for the past week and even now I can't keep faithful on my C1 days - extra fruit and cheese (not allowed cheese, either, but full fat stuff), although I have found that cheese =/= good for me (digestive issues now).

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That is exactly where I have been, FABBYMAY! I decided I was accomplishing nothing more than yo-yo dieting with my so-called "re-starting" every week. Part of my issue, I believe, is the monotony of C1 on 17DD. And part is the place I am at in my life right now. I am under a lot of stress, much being attributed to my mom declining severely with her Alzheimer's battle in the last month. I am giving myself a break and just going to follow the recommended Spark People meal plans for now. They are healthy and logical, the food is easily-accessible and not as restrictive, so I am taking a break from the structure of the 17DD. If I can maintain for now, I will be happy. I figure I can always return to 17DD when I am able to truly commit. I'm still monitoring posts, although I believe I'll stop the constant notifications by e-mail. Let me know what you decide to do and how it goes! --Julie

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Yes, Yes and yes. You are very close to your goal so the weight will come off a bit slower but it's important for you to find what works for you. You won't lose the weight as fast but you will use it. You notice that several of us who have been on the diet for months and months re-started together recently at C2. It felt right and I'm glad that I'm back on after being at maintenance for a couple of months. I've lost a pound this week but only have five or six left to lose and don't really need to lose them but I want a buffer. So a pound is thrilling especially knowing that I did it on C2.

The main thing is to be present in whatever choices it is that you make. So often we make a choice and then go unconscious and that's where problems start happening. If C2 seems too hard go for c3 but have a plan. My personal plan is to weigh every day even on maintenance to make sure that I'm not going back into magical thinking. I always say "A weight a day, Keeps the chips away and the chocolate at bay." Silly I know but It works.

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I had to laugh when I read your post because I think I am temporarily in the same place so I took a little break from total compliance too. I still stayed off sugar/flour but added a couple of my favorites (peanut butter and extra fruit and a couple lean cuisine tv dinners) but still stayed within calories. This is what my today has been like:
i burned 780 calories this morning (90 minutes of zumba & 40 minutes of water aerobics)

I tried something different. After eating my regular breakfast, I brought a light string cheese to eat between 2nd & 3rd class.

Breakfast: lemon water, coffee, greek yogurt, 1 c blackberries, 1T walnuts, 1 c skim milk (that's my coffee milk for the day)
Lunch: light string cheese, 10 prunes, 1 banana, 1T peanut butter, 1 1/2 c canned tomatoes
Supper: probably ox roast-this is a local thing, not really ox but lean beef in au jus on a salad
Snack: greek yogurt

So this is how I usually eat and so this is my typical deviations from 17DD:
*peanut butter (but I don't usually use oil so counts this as my oil)
*light string cheese (often as a snack or quick protein)
*lean beef
*sf pudding or ice cream bar but Gabby is convincing me that this isn't good

This seems pretty close to C3 compliant and again today someone commented that they can see I'm losing weight although the scale isn't moving much. Do you think this is really bad eating? Still no sugar or flour and this is something I'm able to stay on. I really crave fruit and p butter though so they are kind of my treats. I also need to get back to my green tea, no reason I haven't been except I've been too lazy to make it. I guess we have to decide what works for us since this really is a journey but I think I had to realize the faster weight loss wouldn't happen either but for now, that's ok.



Edited by: KTISFOCUSED at: 5/7/2012 (13:38)
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OK friends, I have a confession to make. In March, April, and now May I have started off each month with a promise to recommit to the 17 DD. I restart C1, go for about 5-6 days, then fall off. I feel like I have been starting and stopping this over and over for the past few months. I was doing really well in May but fell completely and totally off yesterday.

One of the problems is burnout with the sheer monotony of C1. Also, I have been working out a lot more than when I did the first cycle of C1, which I did after a long period of being sedentary.

My question is (and I know this is not going to be popular) - should I just start eating within 1200 calories using the principles I learned from 17 DD and stick to that and exercise to be successful? Or should I just try to be be successful on C2 and C3 and not worry about trying to stick to C1 over and over again? I really do feel burnt out from trying to be compliant on this eating plan. Seriously, how much chicken and lettuce can I consume? emoticon

I find the friends here tremendously inspiring and helpful and I don't really want to leave the group. Any suggestions? How of those of you who have been doing this plan long-term deal with the monotony and restrictions over time?



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