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11/22/10 7:54 P

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Popeye, I so agree with you that no matter whether education remains public or goes private, tenure MUST go! But even with public education, teachers can still strike. There have been multiple strikes that I can remember in nearby towns over my lifetime. They usually don't last too long once the school year starts, but there have been a couple that the kids really suffered for because schools basically had to shut down.

I wish I had the financial ability to quit working and concentrate on homeschooling my boys. Gee, maybe if we can get some things in place like fair tax, it might be possible to once again live on one salary! But for now, I must work, and other than the crappy math curriculum, the schools in our area are still doing a pretty commendable job.

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I'm in a quandary whether privatizing education or busting the teachers unions and requiring them to achieve certain standards as far as the education of our children is concerned would be more beneficial

I think tenure is something that needs to be looked at very closely. It seems to me that tenured teachers and professors become less motivated teachers when they reach that "Tenured" point.

In my mind, tenure is one of those liberal college and union things that fails to award good teachers for good results and lets the tenured group rest on their "laurels".

Privatizing the Education system would break the tenure system as we know it, but since teachers have a Union already in place, there would be bitter fighting every step of the way.

I didn't use to think Police and Firefighters would strike, but what did I know?

Just imagining the start of a school year with the teachers in your school system on strike just gives me the heebee-jeebees.

I would certainly volunteer to help homeschoolers. My Major in Math means that I could still teach up through College Algebra and my practical knowledge of business means I could add Business Math.

My personal opinion of the math program in our schools is not very high. "I" think that every student graduating should know how to balance a checkbook, understand ATM and credit cards and at least to be able to use the simple form for our taxes. I also think they should know how to establish a budget and how to analyze their spending habits to run their household in the black.

Since I didn't actually work in the field of Mathematics, I haven't really had to use anything more than high school Algebra in my whole career (Oops, with one exception. While in Vietnam we helped a nearby village design and build a bridge over a large stream/very small river. Even then it wasn't fancy - we just used the strategy of brute force and lots of steel encased in concrete. So, I have used geometry once. After we had completed the bridge, some Engineers from the Engineering Battalion came to see how they could help - help requested 8 months prior. They saw the bridge, complained about its esthetics, but did admit the bridge would probably last 75 years or so since NONE of the steel was exposed and we had oiled the steel before pouring the concrete. It was just ugly).

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Darboymom,

I hope you don't mind, but I would like to forward your message to my daughter and my nieces who have children in the public school system. We need to inform others and take a stand on this kind of thing.

POPEYE: This is unbelieveable what this teacher said to you! I'm glad you stood up to her.

I agree we need to get rid of the Dept. of Education and privatize the schools. The kids would get a much better education. Just two more examples of dumbing down America, and indoctrination. It has to stop.

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It's no wonder they want to outlaw homeschooling - that would create independent thinkers and oppose their one world government agenda.

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Ever notice that the only field in which the word "choice" is considered "bad" by the left is in regard to education?

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A friend of mine told me the other day they do not teach cursive writing any more. I said how will these kids learn to sign their names to things? She said they are more concerned about their learning all kinds of math they will never use. She told me she is teaching her how to write in cursive. Even back when my daughter was in Jr High things were taking place. They tried to push Algebra on her. She had General Math and wanted to take Business Math. Her "guidance" counselor told her she was too good in math that she needed to take Algebra. I called him and said she is to take what she wants. He said she will never get into college with just Business math. I said that is not true, one can go to college with a GED...that shut him up and she got to take Business Math. My youngest son went the who nine years with bath and Geo and Trig, but my girls didn't want to. They push things on kids then wonder why they sometimes do poorly. I am so thankful I have no kids in school and my granddaughter graduated in 06. We are just beginning to see what is to come.

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Popeye, I would have told the teacher to butt out of private family matters - but if you say the wrong thing to teachers they will fail your kids for no reason.

I think much of this has to do with teaching kids to be dependent on the government. Independent thinkers are not wanted. The less people are capable of thinking for themselves, the more the government will want to think for us.
Schools really are going downhill.

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It's a sad sad day in America when people who are concerned about teaching our children the basics are frowned upon as right wing nuts. They're too busy teaching our kids things that have not business being taught in school -- of course they can't get the basics done anymore! Thank God I live in a school district that still teaches cursive writing.

My sister, who has an older son in the same school district, did advise me to purchase a "real" history book and teach my sons the history of this country. I've already got the book, and as soon as my sons are old enough, we will be reading it together. And math -- don't even get me started on the crappy math curriculum ("Everyday Mathematics"). My sister & brother-in-law (yes, the same one who's essay I shared) are both math majors, so they have also been teaching their son "real" math too.

I just feel bad for the kids who's parents either can't teach them what the teachers aren't, or who are clueless as to the need to do this. It's not a good sign for the future of our country. Hopefully, there are enough of us out there who are properly educating our kids.

I won't make this comment too long, but I will say that the entire public education system in this country needs to be tossed out the window. Privatize it, make the schools compete for your tuition dollars. Then we'll see some great schools emerge!!!

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One of the things they have quit teaching in my Granddaughter's school District is cursive writing.

I taught her how to write in cursive so she could sign her name on checks and legal documents.

When she signed her name on a couple of homework assignments, her English teacher asked where she had learned to write like that. Her answer, "My Grandpa".

The teacher called my son and told him, "Tell your father to keep his nose out of the teaching business. We don't teach cursive writing anymore".

He told me and I lit up like a rocket-ship.

My son convinced me that since I didn't live in the school district, and since I didn't want to get my DGD in trouble, that I shouldn't make an issue of it.

I continued teaching my daughter cursive but I asked her not to use it in school.

I sent an email to the teacher asking her if the next phase of teaching was to teach children all they had to do was to make a mark.

I also asked her if she had thought about the necessity of people to SIGN legal documents, or if the almighty teachers association had decided our children wouldn't be allowed to sign legal documents in the future - they'd be serfs.

I did not receive a responce, but since I tagged it with "Notify me when this email was opened", I know she received it.

She was probably thinking what a right wing-nut job I was.

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Very sad.

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This is just more proof that so many teachers have an agenda, and it isn't teaching kids the three R's and history.

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MajorDadVT...yup...better song! *laffin'* how in the world could i forget that one??? it was my high school prom theme!

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Just "Imagine"...

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It is another way to indoctrinate our children into the idea of one world government....

patriotism is bad...any ism is bad...leads to wars don'cha' know...and so...

if there are no boundries...if we are just one big world...won't that be just dandy?

*breaking into song* all we are saaaaaaying...
is give peace a chance...

yup....

john would be mighty proud of us right now...*shaking my head in utter disgust*





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I'm totally with everyone on never pledging "allegiance" to the earth! I just don't think it's a bad thing to say you will take care of the earth -- after all, it belongs to God and we are only using it! But as a replacement for the Pledge of Allegiance? NEVER!!!!

Thank you for the link to Rutherford. I've shared it with the woman who wrote the original comment on Facebook!!

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I will never pledge my alligiance to the earth. My allegiance belongs first to God then to my country!

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Why stop with the earth? Isn't that species-ist or planet-ist? Why not to the solar system, the galaxy, the universe, or even to ...ooops that would be GOD...

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I suggest you contact the Ruthertford Institute
here is the link

www.rutherford.org/

they are the equivalent of the ACLU for Christians.

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Have you guys heard of this?

Here is a cut & paste from a thread I'm following on Facebook:
my grandson lives in PA and they substituted the pledge to I pledge alligiance to the earth, my grandson refused to say it and got detention. I was up there visiting and his mother and I went to the school and raised hell, they said he could stand in the hallway during the pledge so he does not bother the other students when he loudly proclaims, each morning, " I pledge allegiance to the Flag and the United States of America"

This was the first I've heard of such a thing, so I did a little research and found the pledges attached as links. Personally, I would not mind a pledge to take care of our earth (but HIGHLY object to it being called "mother earth," which does not correspond with my religious beliefs), if it were done separately and apart from our Pledge of Allegiance to our United States flag. But to REPLACE the pledge to our flag is downright scary to me. Let's hope more people have the guts to continue to say the REAL pledge!!

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www.usasurvival.org/pledge.html

And, wow, here are some more examples within the context of our Christian response to environmental deceptions:

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