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I'm sorry to admit it, but I knew that.

I think my file finder is being corrupted.

Unfortunately, it's stored on the left side of my hard drive. The wetware I carry on top of my shoulders is having problems with tangled circuits.

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Actually, a fair number of the African slaves brought to North America in the early colonial period were Muslim, captured in tribal fighting along the Northwest coast of Africa and sold to the Eurpoean slave ship captains by their non-Muslim (Anamist) captors. That part of North Africa had been conquered by the Arabia-based (then called) Saracens in the 10th-11th century.

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MAJORDADVT,

Thank you for bringing chunks of my memory back. One thing I did note was there was not a single Muslim in the list.

I guess the man occupying the White House misspoke when he claimed Muslims were here from the beginning.

I've certainly not heard of any before President Jefferson went to negotiate in Tripoli,and in my memory, no Muslims returned to the United States with the President's bristling entourage.

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Popeye, you are pretty much on the mark. One signer of the Declaration (at least) was Roman Catholic, most were Protestant, but several, including such key figures as Jefferson and Franklin, while members of a Protestant denomination for political reasons, were basically Deists. That is, they believed in a Supreme Power or Divine Presence, but not in any specific religion. The Adamses were Unitarians as were several of the Massachusetts delegation -- they were not convinced of the Divine nature of Jesus and did not accept the notion of the Trinity. Several of the Pennsylvanians were Quakers and were opposed to any war on principle. Most were anti-Catholic, anti-Anglican, and not particularly positively inclined toward Jews -- even though many wealthy Jewish colonists supported the Independence movement and funded the Revolutionary War effort. Some (mostly from the South) thought slavery to be a Divinely and Biblically supported institution; others (mostly from the North) thought it antithetical to Biblical teaching.

They were not inclined to involve anything in the Declaration which favored any specific religion -- hence, the only three references to the Divine were cloaked in the phrases "...Nature's God...", "...their Creator...", and "...Divine Providence...". The Constitution has absolutely zero references to a "higher power".

These were mostly men of the "Enlightenment" who took their philosophical lead from people like John Locke. They believed in some higher power, but believed primarily that humans were in charge of their own destiny and should act towards others as honorable men in respect of all of humanity, not to please God.

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Living in Washington, DC I am at a disadvantage here. I could opine what DCs constitution would say if it were a state. Probably something BO would endorse.
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It's been a long, long time ago, but this history geek thinks he remembers that one of the signers was actually an Agnostic, which means that he believed in a Supreme Being.

I've read all of the preambles to the state constitutions and have a nightmare over how easy it would be to place "Peace Be To Allah" after the reference to God in each of those documents.

It honestly gives me shivers from the base of my skull to my knees.

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SANDIE1942 - THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE POST!

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Actually, BO thinks there are 60 states. He visited 57 but had missed two and wasn't allowed in one. emoticon

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Thanks to you I know the Preamble for my state now!!

Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

I might add, amen!! love, Darlene


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I believe that if you read the U.S. Constitution, with all of the Articles of Amendment (including the Bill of Rights), you will not find any reference to God or any Divine Being. The founders were so concerned with the potential establishment of a state religion, as was the case in Great Britain, that they chose to omit any reference to the Deity in the Constitution.

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I had to chuckle at Colorado and Vermont, two very liberal states, who don't exactly come out and use the word "God," but instead acknowledge a divine being.

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Seems he needs to do some reading, like starting with our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and 50 not 57 State Constitutions. Our Founding Fathers were Christian Men who believed in God, all 55 of them.

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“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

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I agree, and great post!

He uses the royal "we" as if he were a prince or king! NOT!!

85 more days!

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Who is "We"?

Barack Obama said in Turkey : "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

I found this very interesting. Do you know the Preamble for your state?

Alabama 1901, Preamble We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..

Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom...

Colorado 1876, Preamble We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe....

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.

Delaware 1897, Preamble Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences...

Florida 1885, Preamble We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble We , the people of Hawaii, grateful for Divine Guidance ... Establish this Constitution.

Idaho 1889, Preamble We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its
blessings..

Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

Indiana 1851, Preamble We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the
right to choose our form of government.

Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the St ate of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto
enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.

Kansas 1859, Preamble We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble.. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties..

Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

Maine 1820, Preamble We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity .. And imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His Providence, an opportunity
and devoutly imploring His direction

Michigan 1908, Preamble.. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:

Mississippi 1890, Preamble We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish this Constitution...

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution .

Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. Establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution...

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own
conscience.

New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..

New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.

North Carolina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those...

North Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this..

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their
consciences

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance.....

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing...

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI..III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ..

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other

Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility...

Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution...

After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, Obama, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong!


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