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U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 4

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, AND CONVICTION OF, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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Andrew Johnson and William Clinton were IMPEACHED, but not CONVICTED. Nixon resigned in the face of almost certain impeachmnet and conviction.

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U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 2

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

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As can be seen from the last sentence of paragraph 1, the power granted to the President to grant pardons or reprieves for "Offenses against the United States" is essentially absolute, except that the President may not pardon any impeached official who has been convicted thereof. This power has been widely used (abused?) throughout our history. Lincoln pardoned sleeping soldiers sentenced to death, Grant issued amnesty to Confederate veterans, Carter granted amnesty to Vietnam War draft dodgers/deserters, Reagan granted amnesty to millions of undocumented/illegal aliens. Clinton pardoned several of his acquaintances, George W. Bush did the same, Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. None of them were impeached -- a couple lost their re-election bids -- but no one accused them of an illegal act.

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PJ -- yes, they were IMPEACHED. That's what the House vote is. Neither of them was CONVICTED -- that's what the senate trial is -- as neither received the 2/3 majority required for conviction.













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Speaking of birth certificates, I read a World Net Daily article last night (about a week old, just cleaning out the mailbox). It had a picture of the "Where's the Birth Certificate" sign that was quickly erected on, I believe, highway 98 in Florida where Obama had to be driven past it on his recent trip.

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If we can't get him on that, how about "Wholly unqualified for the office, due to not producing a valid birth certificate showing himself to be a legal citizen?" I would LOVE for them to start investigating that!

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It would be great if we could get it done.

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Yes two others were voted on for Impeachment, but it did not have the 2/3 votes to do so, and thus they were never Impeached. When I say the first, I mean the first to actually be Impeached and put on trial and found guilty of Treason for Impeachment. Attempting to Impeach and actually Impeach is the difference I was addressing, sorry if that was confusing.

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BHO would be an absolute idiot to give amnesty to these illegals(but he's done worst already). However impeached over it ...one could only hope and wish for that chance of "change" of commander in chief...and a hoot & holler of "yes we can!"

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Actually, were it to happen, which it will most certainly not, he would be the THIRD President impeached (the other two were Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton). Neither of the previous two were convicted in the Senate and therefore removed. Impeachment is like an indictment by a Grand Jury and is initiated and completed by the House of Representatives, if impeachment is voted, the Senate is the locale for a trial, presided over by the Chief Justice. It takes 2/3 of the Senate to convict.

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If we could only be that lucky and have him Impeached. Lets see first black President and first President Impeached, what a way to go down in history.

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I am sick and tired of the games they play in Washington. You can't trust very many of them. I'd say all, but that is probably not true, just close. They "float" all these things out there, make bills that have their identity numbers and names, different of course in both the House and the Senate, and when we hear about them and complain, they seem to change all the identifying tags so if we call, write, or talk about these things, we look like we don't know what the heck we are talking about because everyone is looking at a different bill. I know during the healthcare debates the one in the house was one thing and the one in the Senate wasn't the same, so I was hesitant to discuss things because I had no real idea of what was actually in the final bill, still don't for that matter. Now it goes on with Cap and Trade, that bill has had at least 3 different names and the banking bill, the bills about the internet, the union thing with the firefighters and on and on. I've been Alinskied, my system is totally overwhelmed. I'm not even trying to lose weight any more. I have it to lose, but I figure the way things are going I just better eat healthy and stay in shape, in time there will probably be food shortage and I'll lose weight then.

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gotta read this

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