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10/15/09 10:25 P

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yes, they did.. so there's still hope. There are still young men and women willing to forgo the relative luxury of everyday life here to help defend the rights and freedoms that make us the destination of choice for the down trodden around the world.
Have a good weekend people..And May God continue to Bless These United States of America.

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10/14/09 6:01 A

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I'm just glad we still have a military.

I heard on the news that the, I believe it stated ALL, armed forces met their goals of new recruits for 2009.



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Well, that is the speech he should, but will never give, unfortunately; I am also fearful the man will not truly listen to his own hand picked generals on the ground in Afghanistan,and put in the boots on the ground needed to destroy, not simply disrupt the taliban and al-queda;
He recently said he was willing to accept the presence of the taliban as a part of the Afghan government..are u nuts?
The Times let that one get in,just to make a bit of cover for the rest of their enthusiasm of the takeover of GM,Banks,Healthcare companies and our every decision for living..Or the main writers were on vacation..!

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Reminds me of something I heard on Hannity today...some guy was calling in to mock Hannity for his criticism of BO getting the Peace Prize and dared Hannity to name someone that he thought DID deserve it. Hannity named Ronald Regan and George W. Bush. The guy started laughing hysterically at the thought of Bush being nominated. Hannity asked him point blank if he thought that there would be peace in this country without a strong military. The guy had to admit that he didn't think so, but tacked on "but it's HOW you use the military that counts." I wanted to call in and say, "So what's the point of having a strong military if you're not willing to use it? If you're not willing to follow through and do what you say you're going to do as a consequence to other nations' actions?" It would be like owning a gun and when a robber broke into your house, you waving the gun around, but ultimately being unwilling to shoot. You have the gun hoping that you WON'T have to shoot--that the gun will be deterrant enough to make the robber reconsider what he's doing. But when push comes to shove, if the robber calls your bluff, you better be willing to shoot to protect yourself...or pretty soon word is going to get around that there's a house on the block where the owner isn't able and willing to protect his property...and then ALL the robbers are going to come a 'knocking.

Liberals don't get that, through war or the serious threat of war, peace is made.

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Same guy who wrote "The Earth Is Flat" and "Hot. Flat, & Crowded" -- not exactly a conservative.

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10/11/09 10:46 P

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THE New York Times?

When did they get someone so conservative as an editor?

My mouth fell open just reading that missive!

WOW.

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Wow

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Another comment -- this one from the op-ed page of the NY Times, no less:


The New York Times

October 11, 2009
Op-Ed Columnist
The Peace (Keepers) Prize
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

The Nobel committee did President Obama no favors by prematurely awarding him its peace prize. As he himself acknowledged, he has not done anything yet on the scale that would normally merit such an award — and it dismays me that the most important prize in the world has been devalued in this way.

It is not the president’s fault, though, that the Europeans are so relieved at his style of leadership, in contrast to that of his predecessor, that they want to do all they can to validate and encourage it. I thought the president showed great grace in accepting the prize not for himself but “as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations.”

All that said, I hope Mr. Obama will take this instinct a step further when he travels to Oslo on Dec. 10 for the peace prize ceremony. Here is the speech I hope he will give:

“Let me begin by thanking the Nobel committee for awarding me this prize, the highest award to which any statesman can aspire. As I said on the day it was announced, ‘I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who’ve been honored by this prize.’ Therefore, upon reflection, I cannot accept this award on my behalf at all.

“But I will accept it on behalf of the most important peacekeepers in the world for the last century — the men and women of the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps.

“I will accept this award on behalf of the American soldiers who landed on Omaha Beach on June 6, 1944, to liberate Europe from the grip of Nazi fascism. I will accept this award on behalf of the American soldiers and sailors who fought on the high seas and forlorn islands in the Pacific to free East Asia from Japanese tyranny in the Second World War.

“I will accept this award on behalf of the American airmen who in June 1948 broke the Soviet blockade of Berlin with an airlift of food and fuel so that West Berliners could continue to live free. I will accept this award on behalf of the tens of thousands of American soldiers who protected Europe from Communist dictatorship throughout the 50 years of the cold war.

“I will accept this award on behalf of the American soldiers who stand guard today at outposts in the mountains and deserts of Afghanistan to give that country, and particularly its women and girls, a chance to live a decent life free from the Taliban’s religious totalitarianism.

“I will accept this award on behalf of the American men and women who are still on patrol today in Iraq, helping to protect Baghdad’s fledgling government as it tries to organize the rarest of things in that country and that region — another free and fair election.

“I will accept this award on behalf of the thousands of American soldiers who today help protect a free and Democratic South Korea from an unfree and Communist North Korea.

“I will accept this award on behalf of all the American men and women soldiers who have gone on repeated humanitarian rescue missions after earthquakes and floods from the mountains of Pakistan to the coasts of Indonesia. I will accept this award on behalf of American soldiers who serve in the peacekeeping force in the Sinai desert that has kept relations between Egypt and Israel stable ever since the Camp David treaty was signed.

“I will accept this award on behalf of all the American airmen and sailors today who keep the sea lanes open and free in the Pacific and Atlantic so world trade can flow unhindered between nations.

“Finally, I will accept this award on behalf of my grandfather, Stanley Dunham, who arrived at Normandy six weeks after D-Day, and on behalf of my great-uncle, Charlie Payne, who was among those soldiers who liberated part of the Nazi concentration camp of Buchenwald.

“Members of the Nobel committee, I accept this award on behalf of all these American men and women soldiers, past and present, because I know — and I want you to know — that there is no peace without peacekeepers.

“Until the words of Isaiah are made true and lasting — and nations never again lift up swords against nations and never learn war anymore — we will need peacekeepers. Lord knows, ours are not perfect, and I have already moved to remedy inexcusable excesses we’ve perpetrated in the war on terrorism.

“But have no doubt, those are the exception. If you want to see the true essence of America, visit any U.S. military outpost in Iraq or Afghanistan. You will meet young men and women of every race and religion who work together as one, far from their families, motivated chiefly by their mission to keep the peace and expand the borders of freedom.

“So for all these reasons — and so you understand that I will never hesitate to call on American soldiers where necessary to take the field against the enemies of peace, tolerance and liberty — I accept this peace prize on behalf of the men and women of the U.S. military: the world’s most important peacekeepers.”



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I think he's saying it's time for him to poop or get off the pot...

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I've read that missive twice and I'm still somewhat confused.

Was he "damning him with faint praise" or praising him with faint damnation?

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Overall, I think this is a pretty fairly written article. The guy IS an Obama supporter, so naturally, I don't agree with everything he said, but I think he's trying to be fair both to Obama AND President Bush--something I was suprised to see. And I think he makes a VERY good point about the necessity of the United States keeping its commitments and doing what it says its going to do. That's what many of us have been saying all along, so it's very refreshing to hear that from a Democrat.

Thanks Major, for sharing this. It gives me hope that not everyone on the other "side" is a complete loony tune.

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Thanks for sharing

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Note that Kerrey freely admits that the surge strategy in Iraq actually worked -- something that is rarely acknowledged by a Democrat!!

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Seems Mr. BHO's followers are seeing the light a bit to late!

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Obama's Nobel and His Obligation to Afghanistan
When it comes to moral reputation, almost nothing matters more than keeping your word.


By BOB KERREY

In a wonderfully stunning decision, the Nobel Committee in Oslo awarded our president its Peace Prize. They said the award was as much for the hope that he will contribute to a more peaceful world as it was for any specific accomplishment during his first nine months in office.

This is the same hope I had when I voted for President Barack Obama, contributed to him financially, and campaigned for him in a few states. I believed he could successfully manage the process of U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. I believed he would help build a bridge to the Muslim world. And I believed he would bring his unique story to inspire us to overcome our divisiveness. I still hold fast to these beliefs, in spite of the fact that his presidency already seems to have brought out the worst in some.

By awarding the prize to Mr. Obama, the Nobel committee also surely hoped to influence the debate about U.S. policy in Afghanistan. I wish they had waited until the debate was settled here at home. My wish is based on a fear that American political leaders are about to talk themselves into breaking yet another foreign policy commitment.

In December 2006, President George W. Bush was faced with a similarly difficult foreign policy decision. The Republicans had suffered tremendous losses in the November election, in part because of the conduct of the war in Iraq. At the time, the unpopular Republican president was being pressured by ascendant congressional Democrats and some members of his own party into withdrawing from Iraq. Failure in Iraq loomed, as public opinion for the effort to help the democratically elected government survive had faded thanks to a series of tactical blunders and inaccurate assessments of what would be needed to accomplish the mission.

Then, against all reasonable predictions, President Bush chose to increase rather than decrease our military commitment. The "surge," as it became known, worked. Victory was snatched from the jaws of defeat.

From what I have seen, President Obama has the same ability to step outside the swirl of public opinion and make the right decision. While success in Afghanistan may not look the same as it does in Iraq, I believe there is a very good chance that a stable democracy can survive there. If it does, it would be good for the Afghan people, good for the security of the region, and good for the United States. The heroism of Afghan voters who turned out this past August in spite of the Taliban's violence should inspire us to stand by their side until security and stability are established in their country.

There are four primary components of any foreign policy: vision and strategy; quality of the leadership team; domestic strength; and capacity to manage crises. Weakness in any of these realms can lead to overall failure.

On vision, President Obama is very inspiring. He has given moderates in Muslim countries room to move by speaking to them directly and respectfully, while at the same time continuing to wage an aggressive and necessary battle against radical Islamists who have declared war on the U.S. However, he has made too many apologies. And at this point, his strategy is too naïve and has too little coherence to be called a strategy. If the issue of foreign policy had been more important in his presidential campaign—and therefore important to the electorate—I might be more critical. And if I weren't a supporter, my judgment would be harsher. But in this realm, I'm still hoping for improvement.

On the quality of the leadership team he has recruited, President Obama has excelled. Across the board, from Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the president has assembled an exceptional team. Their depth of experience and intellect provide him the kind of judgment and analysis he needs to make tough choices.

President Obama's lack of domestic strength is his biggest problem. His actions to stabilize the financial system prevented an economic meltdown of dire proportions. However, our economy is still very fragile. Our public debt is growing at the fastest rate since the World War II, the dollar is weakening, and economic experts are making ominous statements about the possibility of our currency being replaced as the world currency of choice. Anxiety over unemployment and the devaluation of assets has contributed to America's unwillingness to support much of anything that doesn't contribute directly to our recovery.

As for his capacity to manage crises, this skill is being tested right now in Afghanistan. There is surely a strong temptation to conform his better judgment to popular opinion. If he chooses this politically safe route and does not give his military commander on the ground the resources needed to win, history will judge him harshly. Great American leaders of our past have ignored popular sentiment and pressed on during the darkest hours, even when setbacks give rhetorical ammunition to the skeptics.

President Obama's decision is extremely difficult. Today, less than 50% of Americans support the war. No doubt even fewer Americans would be on the side of doing what Gen. Stanley McChrystal wants to do: temporarily increase the number of troops and dramatically change our strategy.

The way we have provided development assistance to the government in Afghanistan hasn't improved the lives of the Afghan people. A cloud of illegitimacy hangs over President Hamid Karzai because of the recent election. Even friends of the Karzai administration have reported cronyism and corruption.

Yet despite these setbacks, our leaders must remain focused on the fact that success in Afghanistan bolsters our national security and yes, our moral reputation. This war is not Vietnam. The Taliban are not popular and have very little support other than what they secure through terror.

Afghanistan is also not Iraq. No serious leader in Kabul is asking us to leave. Instead we are being asked to withdraw by American leaders who begin their analysis with the presumption that victory is not possible. They seem to want to ensure defeat by leaving at the very moment when our military leader on the ground has laid out a coherent and compelling strategy for victory.

When it comes to foreign policy, almost nothing matters more then your friends and your enemies knowing you will keep your word and follow through on your commitments. This is the real test of presidential leadership. I hope that President Obama—soon to be a Nobel laureate—passes with flying colors.

Mr. Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska, is president of The New School.

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