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Susan, That's asking a lot. I live next to a firehouse.

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I don't participate in Lent.

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Sleep well, but not deep enough that you don't hear the smoke detector. ;)

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As I said, there's the rub for me. All Protestants that I know of are Bible-believing. The differences come from how they interpret what they read. Many Weslyan's are charismatic, yet I've never seen any manifestations of that in a Methodist church. Arminius and Wesley interpret one way, Calvin another. Luther protests the Pope. Jews believe the first half but not the second. LDS see it differently and even have more books.

I've learned over the years that I'm not smart enough to argue theology, but I am smart enough to have formed my own set of beliefs and to know enough to never run down the beliefs of others. Iris Dement has a song that helps me called "Let The Mystery Be". One thing is for sure, we'll all hear that final interpretation, be it the sound of a book slamming shut forever or the sound of a new book opening, the answer lies ahead for us all. Time to get ready for beddy-bye.

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The key to the bible is....you don't ADD to it, and you don't TAKE AWAY from it. It is, what it is.

Works for me!

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All churches are Bible following....... their version of the Bible, and therein lies the rub. That leads me back to my tale of uncompromising humans. Usually pretty unforgiving as well and that sure ain't Biblical, huh?

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Interesting what you wrote on the different denominations. Also there are different areas of the different denominations. Like the Methodists have United and Free. What I was told was that the Methodist (Wesleys) didn't like so much legalism. Later they got more legalistic so some broke off from the original Methodist church and formed the Free Methodist Church. I don't know all of them. Since a couple of my friends talked me into going to their church with them I have gotten to where I don't like the very formal churches, but I want to make sure they are the Bible following churches.



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Oh and Athiesm IS a religion, though an athiest would deny that. A religion is something you believe (ex. there's no god) and something that directs your life.(ex. since there is no god or higher authority I make my own moral standards)

But it IS true, that everyone, deep down, knows God exists. It's just a matter of how long can they hold out denying it. lol


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Well to sum it up simply:

Protestants are people who protest against the man-made laws of the Catholic Church and/or Church of England.
There were several 'rules' they discovered were unbiblical...like having to pay fines to the priests when they sinned, or when they skipped services. Or how you could 'buy' forgiveness by paying a priest before you sin, or after you sin. Even today some things go on. I know of someone who had to pay the priest because they wanted divorced. This was about 20 years ago.
Have you read the book Hidden Rainbow by Christmas Carol Kauffman? Fascinating true story about a couple in Yugoslavian Catholic Village. They were ordered to behead their child if they refused to have it baptized. This is in the earlier 1900's!

Lutherans would have been started by Martin Luther...who nailed the theses to the church door to explain what doctrines were not biblical.

Here's some info from the internet.
1. Methodists- a name for people who wanted to reform the Church of England. Started by John and Charles Wesley.
2. A Methodist is a member of a Christian Protestant denomination originating in the 18th-century evangelistic movement of Charles and John Wesley and George Whitefield.
( I believe they earned the nickname 'methodist' because John was orderly in his religious practices. I think that's something I read as I learned about his mother, Susanna Wesley...someone who I highly admire. She was very 'religous' for much of her life and worked very hard to raise her many children well. It wasn't until she was in her 40's that she understood that salvation is a gift...you can't earn it, and she accepted Christ as her personal savior.)

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Lutherans believe that humans are saved from their sins by God's grace alone (Sola Gratia), through faith alone (Sola Fide), on the basis of Scripture alone (Sola Scriptura).
Lutheranism retains many of the outward symbols and liturgical structure of Catholicism. For instance, most Lutheran churches have altars, and their clergy wear vestments similar to those worn by Catholic priests. However, Lutheran churches aren't bound by a central authority to follow any particular format, so you can often find differences between one church and another.



As for me, I grew up in a Catholic Church, but accepted Christ as my Savior in a Baptist church at about 16.
I refer to myself as a Christian (a Bible Believing one) not as Catholic or Baptist or any other denomination. You can usually find some flaws in each, so I study for myself and follow where I feel God directs me.

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No I no longer observe Lent.

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Oh boy, now there's another can of worms. I live right on the Mason-Dixon line and actually call two states home, both Maryland where most of the family originated and still lives and Pennsylvania where I grew up with summers at my Grandma's in Maryland. Nearby Hagerstown has a street that originally had one name, but when one end became predominately black, the whites on the other end changed the name of their end of the street. It's still that way today.

Just looking around at our society today can tell you how pig-headed humans can be. Politicians that mostly agree behind closed doors find the tiniest differences in a public debate just so one or another can get credit for solving the problem in the end. Trouble is that because of their intentional lack of agreement, the problem never gets solved. Humans like to talk a lot about compromise, but they're not real big on actually participating in it.

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I agree with your pa MaryAlice.

NITE, I am also in agreement with all of the splintered denominations, which also isn't in the Bible. LOL We're to follow Him, not our own ways/traditions. Society has become so far removed from history and how things have changed and added other people's celebrations that we're a mess. But then, the same can be said for the Israelites out of Egypt.

You bring up an interesting point on name changes. My father's side never had a mistake in their surname and it's complicated. But for other branches on my mom's side, there are a few discrepancies that don't seem to make sense. Are they related or not?

And your comment also made me think of my hubby's uncles and his own father. They ALL changed their last name to avoid racism. however, to me, the names chosen by the uncles don't seem "American" to me at all, but still related to the history they're trying to avoid.

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Daddy always said there was no such thing as a atheist. Everybody believed in something, even if it was the almighty dollar. Some people just didn't realize it.

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STRNGNGRNDED, Yes that was for you and that was kind of my point. If you want to know what religions actually officially observe lent, you kinda gotta look 'em up as you go because it varies...... a lot. Growing up as a Lutheran we always figured we were Catholic Light. Less kneeling, no Latin, no Pope, no official confessionals, but otherwise very similar. I personally am a little stand-offish regarding "organized religion". I'm fine with religion, it's the organized part I shy away from..... and for this very reason. So many of the various schisms, sects, and denominations came to be because church members disagreed on something and not always something all that important. Is it polite to burp after dinner? Nope.... new church splinters off. Think of the disruption to people and families this has probably caused over the years.

It's kind of like genealogy. I've learned that some of the different spellings of surnames didn't result from lack of communication when somebody wrote down someone else's name as they heard it incorrectly and the bearer of the name was illiterate and couldn't correct it. Some of it came from family spats when a couple brothers fell out and one decided to start spelling his name a letter or two differently just because his brother was a no good sob and he didn't want to be known by the same name. Others came from one family member thinking he was smarter or more important than others of his clan and chose to pronounce the surname differently. Sometimes the differences stem from outside influences where others mispronounce the name and the bearers of the name just get tired of correcting them. On we go!

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I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic schools. My family observed 'basic' lent rules but it was my companions at school who influenced me the most.

My DH is not religious. I'd say atheist, and he would too, but I do not like the word or belief so will continue that he is not religious.

However, now at my older age and with more difficulty with getting around and with no kids for me to influence I forget about Lent, and other religious observations. Should I feel guilty? I decided not...I feel old...and do not stop eating candy for 6 weeks or chewing gum for that time and do not have to buy a hat for Easter Sunday - as I once did.



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I guess that's directed towards me since mine was the last post. LOL I don't want to cause an argument, but I am always open to learning.

I have a few things to study apparently; what are the differences between Protestants, Catholics, Lutherans and ...Methodists? Why they observe lent, because I can't find it in the Bible.

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I think if you make that statement in the right crowd of Protestants you'll get agreement and in another crowd of Protestants, you'll start a major argument. As regards non-believers, they pretty much do what they want. I know a few that participate in Christmas and Easter celebrations, so I'd guess a couple probably give up something for lent just out of family or social tradition. I guess with a non-believer, it depends whether they are anti-whatever or just don't care one way or the other? I was raised Lutheran and they did and DW was raised Methodist and they did. We now attend a United Brethren in Christ Church and they do. I think it all depends on how protesty they were when they were protesting? Baptists, Mormons, Pentecostals generally don't. It's all very confusing. I don't take any chances. I celebrate everything.

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Isn't Lent a Catholic observation?

I don't know any Christians or non believers who take part in Lent.

There is a blog I used to follow who is Catholic and she would do 40 bags of stuff to donate. (I think she has six children) =) Sweet family.

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No, though I grew up in the Catholic Church and had to observe it then, as an adult and a born-again Christian, I choose not to observe man-made religious traditions like Lent.

It is funny, though, the choices people make. I remember 'giving up' a certain candy bar for Lent. My sweet mother (sarcasm) gave me a WHOLE BAG of those candybars for my birthday one year....which fell DURING Lent.
Wasn't she just tooo funny? har har.

A few years ago she gave up Facebook for Lent and nearly DIED! She had some very funny stories to tell about that journey.

I've also heard of men at my husband's former job who actually gave up doing DRUGS for Lent!

I really don't see how it helps your faith to give up things.
But I appreciate the idea that others sincerely put their heart into it and feel closer to God through it.

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Sometimes, but this year wasn't one of them. Too many scalpels flyin' around me to concentrate on reaching a new goal.

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No we never observed lent.

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I haven't observed it. I don't really know why. My parents and I always did Good Friday as a "no meat" day and usually had fish that day.



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The Lent fast is a Christian tradition, but many non-believers also take part.

On Ash Wednesday, people over the globe give up certain foods or habits to improve their health or demonstrate self-restraint. It lasts for 40 days until Easter, but this is without Sundays being included in the amount (if there were counted it would be 46 days). This year Lent is from Wednesday, February 14th to Thursday, March 29th..

Do you observe Lent? If so, what have you given up this year in observance?



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