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Sandy,
I've mentioned this on another thread that holding on to the handles of a treadmill makes it easier. A lot of people have trouble with their balance at first, but you really want to work on letting go eventually. You will burn more calories, and it works those small muscles that help you keep your balance (women really need that). Just thought I'd let you know.

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AMEN...THIS IS THE 2ND THREAD I'M CUTTING...TIRED OF THE SUBJECT...LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GOOD STUFF, BUT ON ANOTHER THREAD!!!



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me neither! lol

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me and I am no longer responding to this thread unless it changes

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I agree

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ditto

and how many contestants [having found a new life] are angry at the trainers...and if they are, shame on them.



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ADOPTMOM1 Posts: 8,660
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Bravo Stevo!

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Ok, I'm going to chime in here and address this topic for the last time. DO YOU WANT THE SHOW TO BE TAKEN OFF THE AIR? All shows have faults...our show here has it's share. I'm willing to put up with them because of the greater good. On this show the ends do justify the means.

Obesity is a huge problem in this country because of "mollycoddling". We laugh at, and with, big people. I was always the the fat guy laughing his way through life. I needed someone to rub my face in it...to wake me up...to shock me into seeing that I was killing myself! I didn't need someone holding my hand and patting me on the back and telling me that everything was going to be ok. Telling me that I was who I was and that I have to accept that being big was what I was meant to be. That..."It's not so bad as long as you are happy", kind of crapola. Give me a break!

Having said that...I know there is a small percentage of obese people who are that way because of some medical problem. That is the group whose obesity is not their fault. That group is a very small portion though. Most people are obese because they "choose" to be obese. That's the group that needs a butt kicking, just like I did.

You also need to remember that both Bob and Jillian always pick someone up after they break them down. If the producers decide not to show that on the air...blame them. That has been in short supply so far this season. But, it's only two weeks old. Let's be patient and see how things play out.

Look, I don't like the bleeps ruining parts of the show any more than most of you don't. I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water though. In order to take something serious we have to be "pushed". I say...whatever it takes then.

For a lot of us...maybe even most of us...this show has been the best thing that could ever have happened. Let's not ruin it by focusing on it's faults. Let's watch it for what it is...motivation.

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10/3/09 10:01 P

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I vote this thread be deleted

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IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH IT!!!!!!! IT IS YOUR CHOICE !!!!!!!

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I agree jeri I think about all that can be said has been said. let find a more positive topic like what did you learn from the biggest loser

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I just can't believe this is still a topic. LOL I don't like it but y'all are definately more fired up about it than I am.

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I think when they interview these people they have to give them an accurate Idea of what they will be facing and ask are you willing to go through that. I can't imagine any body not realizing that that is part of the show

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Sort of like "ToughLove" or something similar. I am not sure it would work with everyone, but it does work with a lot of the contestants/participants. If you really want to change you will use whatever is available and some of these people are unstopable no matter what.

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IF YOU LOOK AT IT IS A LOT LIKE i UNDERSTAND MARINE CORP BOOT CAMP was LIKE BEFORE THEY HAD TO GET POLITICALLY CORRECT. IT WAS A TEAR THE BOYS DOWN TO MAKE MEN AND MARINES. tHEY ARE KINDA DOING THE SAME, TEARING THEM DOWN THEN WHEN THEY FALL APART HELP THEM GET BACK TOGETHER. VERY UNPLEASANT I ASSUME BUT IT SEEMS TO WORK KINDNESS IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST ROUTE

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The swearing also pushes some of them into their wounds and helps them to discharge those old feelings that they will never make it and that they are powerless to take charge of their lives. Then Jillian or Bob address the real things that are making them fat and that are keeping them in the victim roll. Jillian is always doing that, pushing them emotionally until they break down and talk about/ cry about what has been hurting them for so long. After that they usually have a breakthrough both emotionally and in their workouts. emoticon

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I don't understand why everyone gets their undies in a twist over swearing. Have you not been in an elemetary school lately?

Bob and Jillian need SOMETHING that will get through the wall of fear and "I can't" that these people have built up over a lifetime of being told they couldn't. Notice that some they work with they swear at alot and some almost none at all. It's what it takes to filter into the brain.

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I have never had good use of words FRIENDS

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I agree with Mike about making Shay run so fast so soon. And what's the deal with not letting them hold the rails? Some people have really bad balance, so they need those rails to stay on the blasted things!

Sandy

Why do we make complications
full of foolish implications?
why the choice to convolute
when all it serves is to dilute?
what is real and right and true?
just love God - He loves you


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Apology accepted, Mike. :) That's the bad thing about posts, as opposed to face-to-face. Intent doesn't always come across.

Ya gotta admit, whether we agree or not, this season's BL has provided lively discussion! Friends?

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Why do we make complications
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why the choice to convolute
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what is real and right and true?
just love God - He loves you


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It's reality TV....not all of it is real. Gotta get the ratings, gotta make it interesting....

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Bob and Jill live in West Hollywood. If you are not familiar with this area, please watch LA INK which is right in the middle of it.

Everyone on this show swears continuously and I guess that is the norm in West Hollywood.



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that does seem extreme

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CD1692407 Posts: 3,090
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Was it Shay that Jillian was trying to get to run at an 8.5 mph on the treadmill for 30 seconds? Has anyone else tried that? I don't know if I'd do that to someone that big.

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Sorry not stated to well, its not lazy persay its more a can't move lazy that takes a lot of work to just get around, we all go through that and I know skinny people can be that way as well but it is a fact of life being fat is hard work and it takes hard work to become less fat. I did mean it personal. the people here have shown that they are willing to do the work.

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Mike, I agree with TGRIFF. It is unfair and VERY offensive to say fat people are lazy. Remember how I said I didn't gain my excess weight until I was an adult? I gained that weight because I developed health issues that caused a limp so severe I can barely walk without some sort of support. Makes exercising very difficult. The health issues weren't caused by weight gain. The weight gain was caused by health issues.

Yes, there are lazy fat people. There are lazy skinny people. There are lazy blind people. There are lazy old people. There are lazy children. I could go on and on. My point is, don't judge. You don't have the right. None of us do.

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what is real and right and true?
just love God - He loves you


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KOKOEK9...aren't you being very judgemental by saying fat people are lazy? You can only go on your personal experience and have no right to judge others. You really don't know! I think that was uncalled for.

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Jillian is doing what has to be done fat people are lazy because it is to much work to exercise, what she does is push them beyond what they think their limits are. in shays case it was emotional as well. she had to force a choice. when she made the choice she was able to do more. I don't agree with it but I understand it

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the trainers get the results...I'd rather address the contestants...I admire people who can go on national tv at the weights they begin with...but, oh, the finale.
If the producers just showed the normal, everyday humdrum of dieting...who would watch? Not me. I like seeing the emotional moments, the screwups,and the improvements. I love it all.



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If you don't learn from your mistakes, what's the point in making them?

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Phoebe, excellent point aboout the producers airing the cussing. I hadn't thought about that.

I guess the reason it bothers me is because Jillian's behavior, at times, borders on violent. She doesn't physically hurt anyone, but she definitely uses intimidation and that just feels wrong. Overweight people are bullied all their lives. I didn't gain my weight until I was an adult, but my sister has always been heavy so I've seen what she's gone through. Why does it have to be like that to help them change their lives?

Don't get me wrong. I love the show! I LOVE seeing the transformation from beginning to end. The lengths people will go to to change their lives is honestly an inspiration and I will continue to watch. I just wish that someone would call Jillian out on her bullying. Because, if we're all honest, that's what she's doing. It's for their own good, true. But it's still bullying.

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just love God - He loves you


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CD2548072 Posts: 10,207
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I personally don't care about the cursing, but I can certainly do without it when it offends so many.

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Hey, the trainers can cuss all they want, it doesn't mean the producers of the show have to air it, but they choose to. Who's at fault then? Not the trainers.

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Who cares if they cuss? People cuss in everyday life, what makes this any different?

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I agree the 2 pounds was a set up so Jillian and Bob could "act" shocked/angry..(like they don't know in advance..PAHLEEZE).. Jillian and Bob are great trainers but lousey actors..it is so embarrassingly transparent. I feel badly for them (J & B)..that this is part of their job description.. I LOVE ALL OF IT THOUGH!!! My #1 favorite show..
RE:TRACY: is there a new Icky Vicky in the house?!?!?! I can NOT believe she lost 11 pounds..(where is the justice!?) no trainers and 4 cupcakes!? WHAT?!

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I am starting to get tired of all the drama on the show with Jillian myself and the way Tracey was set up last night. While I am sure they are doing it for the ratings - I don't enjoy watching Jillian get in someone's face like that.

Bob used to be the gentle, easy-going trainer. Now he is even cursing. I am not sure how much longer I will be watching for.

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Jillian is the one who is immature with her outbursts and anger.

The whole setup last night was for drama.

The producers arranged the 2 pound advantage trick just so Jill and Bob could play angry.

If J and B were angry it should have been at the producers.

Same with the cupcakes. It is just to manipulate our emotions.

the anger at Tracey is misplaced. I believe the producers picked her to eat the cupcakes because she puts on that wide eyed experssion.

The others could not pull it off. She is somewhat of an actress and that is why she was chosen.

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well, Jonesy, I think most commercials are annoying! I want them to entertain me, just like the shows they advertise on. And I agree, just put them on as ads, don't set up the scenes...show us more of the show instead! What did you think of the show this week?



Don't eat anything served out of a window unless you're a seagull.

If you don't learn from your mistakes, what's the point in making them?

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I think everyone needs to relax about this language thing. Or at least stop going on campaigns against Jillian and Bob. I'd be willing to bet money that they are encouraged to curse by the producers. If the producers saw it as a problem, the would have been addressed a few seasons back when it started becoming more apparent in episodes. Like someone mentioned in the last post, the producers have ultimate control on final cut and what gets aired. THEY are choosing to use these clips. Stop blaming the trainers.

Also, it's TV. It's sole purpose is to be entertaining. I understand the people who have issues with this kind of language and understand that I respect the way you feel, but what YOU have to understand is that the majority of the people in this country are not phased by this type of language (especially the younger demographics which is a HUGE percentage of television watchers). Whether its a move to appear more edgy or to appeal to a younger demographic the cursing definitely seems to be encouraged. I say let Jillian and Bob continue to the GREAT jobs they've been doing and email the producers if you want to see a change. But please stop whining. As Ragdoll said, turn it off if it bothers you so much.

I'll tell you what bothers me more is the ridiculous amounts of product placements in the show. I would much rather they just talk straight to the camera about Ziploc bags or Extra gum instead of setting up these fake little scenarios. Convincing people that they need these specific products to loose weight is just annoying to me.

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My best friend and I walk 5 miles every morning and she is a paperhanger and cusses a lot---says it's because she works with guys who talk that way to each other as a way of communication. So Bob and Jillian aren't bothering me a bit. I get an earful of similar words my friend uses just because it is what she hears at work. Just her normal way of expressing herself although she does watch it when little ones are around. Hey, I made it through The Sopranos so my ears can take anything. emoticon

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I've seen good trainers and bad trainers. And the number one thing that makes a trainer good is their passion. Their passion for their job and for their trainee. If jillian and Bob didn't get upset I wouldn't watch. It upsets me that people are using bleeped out cussing, as an excuse, to keep them from being inspired. I like the quote from Jillian that says "Taking pity on you is not doing you any favors."

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I agree Tracey's choices were very immature, I can totally understand Jillians reaction, they put in a lot of work in and to have somebody who could control her health to say she was better than they were was a insult, I was upset that she lost so much. I think what the red team did was great

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Totally agree that watching this show is a choice. I love the show because it inspires me...the cussing I can tune out due to the benifit I get from watching...

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having just watched the show tonight...let's hope we can discuss MORE than language from here on out.

I, for one, was hoping Tracey had gained...but wasn't Sean and Antoine's sacrifice awesome?!!! Now it's up to Shay to step up and honor that sacrifice...and, I'm sorry, but that would include letting go of the past... moving forward.



Don't eat anything served out of a window unless you're a seagull.

If you don't learn from your mistakes, what's the point in making them?

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It is always a choice to watch the show. I don't like the language wish they would use better words. I think they do it for shock value.

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Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken.
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I love the show. How lucky are these people to get the chance to get personal help? Love it! Turn down the volume if the language is a problem. Back when I played woman's slow pitch the language was worse than this. I still enjoyed playing.

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hahaha.. you tell 'em Ragdoll! emoticon

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oh just stop complaining and turn the tv off




Don't eat anything served out of a window unless you're a seagull.

If you don't learn from your mistakes, what's the point in making them?

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I feel as though Jillian and Bob are persuaded (by network/producers) to showboat for the camera.. it's all about drama and ratings.. that's why I simply overlook their antics. With one exception: I truly believe that Bob was really p'd off at Joelle last season, and deservedly so.. emoticon

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I agree they both need to go and the producers need to control more how the trainers treat their charges

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This slide into bad language is just another sign that Jillian and Bob are burned out on this show and should retire.

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I see that most of the voters say they won't watch the show anymore.

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Found this on AOL Health. It had been brought up here after the first show aired.

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DIET IS A FOUR LETTER WORD!!!!

We are constantly creating our "karma" or destiny through our intentions, thoughts and deeds in this moment. It is achieved through countless deliberate acts of selflessness.

It's hard to be happy with others if we are not happy with ourselves.

Just keep on moving and you'll get there.


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