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8/19/09 11:03 P

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Hi Pauline:

Oh, I don't know if that excess thigh and knee fat is ever coming off. I hate it so much, but am working so hard too. I spoke with a friend of mine tonight who is a bodybuilder recreationally.

He said his trainer told him that sometimes it's just genetic and it will not come off from certain places...so, he said he has a spot on his abs he just can't get off either.

We pondered Lipo. as a last result - lol.

I hope it comes off the natural way though...but it almost does seem impossible. Yikes!!

I am running out of time - hahah - ESPECIALLY if we do go to Turks & Caicos in November - hehe



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8/19/09 10:57 P

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That's so amazing, Sirena, you've done so well and you're so determined I'm sure the rest will come off, it's just a matter of time.

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I LOVE that NEWSTART motto...very nice!!

Yeah, I was eating 1,300-1,500 in the very beginning last year...but now can't eat below 1,650 - seriously 1,800-1,900 feels the best.

1,500 does seem to be the standard quoted on everything - even the InSanIty nutrition plan lists 1,500 as a general guideline for women. But, it depends so much on your activity level and musculature and so on..

It is not in my genetic makeup to eat anything less than that. I get ill and my stomach feels it is eating itself alive..so I stay somewhere between 1,650 and 1,900 - even if this means it takes me 2 years to lose all the fat. It's been 1.4 years since last April when I weighed 214.


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8/17/09 8:45 P

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The scale has moved up for me these last two weeks....but, I'm determined to stick it out and give my body time to adjust to the higher level of input. Clean eating does take time, both in the grocery and in the kitchen. But, so worth it to not have my hair falling out and my nails growing strong again. Who would have guessed that the 'standard' 1500kc/d to lose weight was not in my body's plan...

My muscles are much stronger and I'm going to give them the chance to burn the body fat off.

The rest of this month I'm focusing on all 8 aspects of my health program.
There is an acronym NEWSTART which stands for:

emoticon Nutrition
emoticon Exercise
emoticon Water
emoticon Sunshine
emoticon Temperance
emoticon Air
emoticon Rest
emoticon Trust (for me that is trust in God)

When I pay attention to my program - it works.
When I don't pay attention to my program - it still works...
It just doesn't work for me at those times.


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8/17/09 6:37 P

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I'm eating 1900 calories on strength (+ cardo) training days and up to 138 grams of protein. On my cardio only days I am eating about 1400-1500 calories and about 104 grams of protein. All calories must come from CLEAN food!
Last week I noticed a GREAT 2 pound loss, only to have it return from 2 days of eating carnival food. But I know this will work. I am psyched this week!

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SMILES4383 that is interesting. Glad that was resolved too.

Yeah, I am staying at around 1700-1800 for now, but I do have slips - so it's all my fault that the fat is not leaving. I need to be more consistent with my calories, but anything below 1,650 gives me intense stomach pangs of hunger. I used to be able to eat around 1,400 before strength training.

Now, that seems crazy! I starve. Interesting how in over one year I changed so much in calorie intake.

But, anything below 1,650 has me starving.

But, anything over 1,800 has me gaining weight and/or staying the same.

So, I seem to need 1,700-1,800 as my range.





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7/29/09 7:57 P

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That's interesting, Terri. Hmmm! Nothing's working for me for awhile so I give up and then I eat like crap. I've been spiraling downward for a month now. But tomorrow I'm starting the South Beach Diet. I need to detox off of the carbs. So hopefully I will do well with that and slowly add back in some foods when it's time. I figure I'll be able to eat cleaner after doing this. I want to build the muscle too and everyone says you can't if you don't feed them.


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7/29/09 3:38 P

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Sirena – I just recently started increasing my calorie intakes. I had symptoms of Hypothyroidism for YEARS...and my thyroid function varied depending on the year. My last TSH test came out normal, but I still had all the symptoms of hypothyroidism.....lo and behold....when I started increasing my calorie intakes these symptoms began to disappear. The more research I’ve done the more it makes sense.

Symptoms for ‘starvation mode’ are the very same as those for hypothyroidism.
ie: cold, tired, low body temperature, high fat storage....and on and on.

I’m up to 1800-2000kc/d now and feeling great. My muscles are getting harder, and the smoosh is decreasing. I’m going to continue to hold out for higher calories (90%-100% CLEAN FOODS) for the long haul – no matter what the scale does (right now it is slowly moving downward and my measurements are too. YEAH)

Low caloric intakes are more dangerous than I realized
(I was eating ~1500kc/d for years – not good for me at 5’8” and an active exerciser)
(My field is nutrition and the ‘field’ holds the old adage of calories in/calories out with a -500kc for weight loss. The problem is that it doesn’t work.)
Probably why Americans are the fattest nation on earth – overall. emoticon


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7/27/09 3:15 P

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There is always so much debate regarding this topic on SP. I agree with what a previous poster said...I track calories burned on any leg work - weights and/or otherwise, as well as all cardio I do.

Any circuit training like 30-Day Shred and or Jillian's No More Trouble Zones - I also count as cardio and use my HRM to determine calories burned.

Any upper body weight work that is pure weight lifting - I still add in my cardio tracker and manually label it and count 50-100 calories burned...it may be more..but that's what I guess..

I also eat at the very top of my SP calorie range to take the weight lifting calories into account. It has always puzzled me too why this has been discouraged on SP.

But, a lot of people here seem to think that whatever your HRM says while doing strength - is purely fiction and not accurate as when you measure cardio work...

So, I eat at the top of SP range and I count 50-100 calories burned on weight training days for upper body...that's how I get around it.



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7/12/09 11:13 A

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Yep. Makes sense!

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7/12/09 9:57 A

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I totally agree with everything you said, ShadowPup. It makes total sense. I love how you wrote "Meaner Legs", hahaha!

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7/12/09 5:04 A

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I log Cathe's workouts under 'cardio'

As an aside, I never have found it very useful to think of the fitness tracker as being strength versus cardio. Instead, personally I find it more useful to think of the sections as:

* moderate to intense activities (under cardio)
* individually tracked exercises (under strength)

Anything I want to count individually, such as kettlebell swings or a new TRX exercise, I put under the individually tracked section (strength). Anything long duration with a moderate calorie burn, or that I think of as being a 'real workout', I put under Cardio. All my Cathe dvds end up there, even the upper body ones where my calorie burn is normally not quite 3 mets.

Hawgwild, like you, I think it makes good sense to track strength training, because it affects my nutritional requirements for the day. It's why I also put intense long-duration chores here, such as the day I spent a few hours stacking bales of hay. I also always use the manual option and log the actual calories burned for workouts. For intense chores, I normally log only half to a third of the calories burned, because I'm already counting a certain amount of daily activity in my baseline metabolic rate and don't want to count it twice.

As far as I can tell, the advice about not tracking strength training is intended to keep people from overestimating calorie burn by relying too much on the time they spend in a gym. A person who is doing three or four sets of light weights in an hour is not going to have the extra nutritional requirements of a person who has done half an hour of Meaner Legs or an hour of STS Meso 1! A really focused person at the gym probably ought to be logging calories too.

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7/7/09 1:00 A

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I count the calories on my legs workouts. I don't usually bother with my upper body workouts because it doesn't raise my HR to what I consider to be cardio, but a pure leg workout does. (Especially those plyo leg workouts wow!) I do wear my HR monitor and that is the amount of calories I count.
I don't count daily activities either. I did used to count my "jog mowing." But I would jog while mowing to make it a real workout and wear my HRM.



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7/6/09 9:00 P

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Hawgwild - I was thinking like you on not recording the strength training. I started counting the strength workouts about a week and half ago. I started adding them when I saw how close the Cathe Nation Workout Manager was estimating my other workouts with my HRM. I don't think it was harmful to not count the strength workouts - I figured it was a bonus calorie burn. I started wearing my HRM while doing the STS workouts and have a little more faith in the results because it's not spiking with high HR.
I don't count the other daily activities though.

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7/6/09 8:29 P

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No problem, as long as you don't spill beans about the ice cream!! LMAO!

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Oh! HI, PAULINE! That cupcake thing is just between us, eh? LOL! emoticon

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7/6/09 5:55 P

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I count the calories from strength training too. I agree they count so much more than housework or playing with the kids. I'd say the only thing that counts as far as every day stuff is gardening, shoveling snow, stuff like that, that you don't do every day. Everything else counts as having an active lifestyle. Heck, if I can't count all the running I do at work then vacuuming shouldn't count. LOL!

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7/6/09 1:18 P

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Thanks! I think it does make sense to count calories for Cathe's strength workouts. Her workouts are INTENSE and I'm sure I'm burning calories that are JUST as IMPORTANT as calories burned from DOING DISHES! LOL!

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7/6/09 1:12 P

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I *do* count the calories from strength training, in particular from Cathe. Most of Cathe's strength training workouts pump your heart rate up to where there is a calorie burn. I either put in 1 minute of cardio along with the calorie burn I had for the entire workout, or count the actual cardio minutes along with the calorie count from my HRM and then log in the strength portion (only counting the time used to lift - each exercise in the tracker assumes you spent 5 minutes on it). That is probably clear as mud... LOL

I've backslidden... I reached my goal and was now maintaining, but now I need to lose 10 pounds and firm up.

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7/6/09 1:08 P

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I count my strength workouts using the Circuit Training amount of 400kc/hr. When I wore a HRT that is approximately what I burned (give or take 50...depending on the day)

I log all my workouts under the cardio section.
I list each 'workout' and/or DVD in my favorites and use 400/hr for the strength workouts and the 600/hr for the cardio step ones. It all averages out at the end of the week.

I also do NOT log in activities of daily living...unless it's yard work...which is pretty intense and not what I normally do since I have a sedentary job.

Hope that helps.

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PS...I track my Fitness under Smiles4383 and my nutrition under Smiles@work (so that I don't have to give up my password on the work network)
(not at work today - on VACA....just tracking my food intakes so far. :o)

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Hi! I'm a little confused... Sparkpeople says to NOT to count the calories burned from doing strength workouts, but they DO "implicate" that you SHOULD count calories burned from doing everyday activities such as mowing lawn, housework, playing with kids, just to name a few. Personally I DO NOT count these activities as I feel they are simply a part of an active daily lifestyle and not necessarily a WORKOUT. I am confused then, as to WHY I shouldn't count my 1 hour of CATHE strength traing (3-4 times a week) into my calories burned!
I notice in Cathe's Workout Manager ALL her workouts have a calorie burn listed and are accounted for.
I am also wondering if NOT counting my calories burned in my fitness tracker has actually been the main reason for not being able to lose anymore weight. If I am not eating enough food (burning more calories than I'm tracking) then this could most definitely lead to a plateau! If I burn about 225-250 calories per strength workout, that is significant calories burned (and not accounted for)over the course of a week.
I am thinking that I SHOULD be counting the calories I burn from my strength workouts and I am wondering what you fellow Cathletes do....
Thanks in advance!!!

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