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Have you ever run a "Magic Mile" or some equivalent time trial to determine what the best training paces are for your current level of running fitness? Training at the appropriate pace is the best way to accomplish the goals you describe. Most of us run our easy runs too fast and our speed work too slow. Consistently running too fast in training can lead to overuse issues like your irritated Achilles.

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5/11/15 8:02 P

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I am treating all of the races over the summer as "training runs". I cannot run fast because of a torn ACL and severe (but controlled) asthma. I started late in life also but I really enjoy the run and the races. I was averaging 25-30 miles a week which is about max for me because I still want to hike. Some times my hike becomes a LSR substitute, but never unless it was long mileage and fast paced with hills.

I have used Hal Higdon's models for my training and feel that they have worked for me and I have finished my races. But I always finish without much left in the tank and I am trying to find a way to finish at an acceptable pace (for me) and not feel like I am beat when I am done. Maybe that is just not the point. I want to be a little more evenly paced throughout the race but I get caught up in everything and other people. Maybe it is as simple as "the more I train/run the better I will feel". Obviously this must be done within reason and parameters that do not lead to injury.

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Hi, what I meant by strategy for your races is in my second paragraph. Will you walk one and run one? Or run both "to finish" or possibly run both as training runs. Or run one easy and try to PR one. In other words, what sort of time goal will you have for each race. This goal (these goals) should guide you in the type of training you do as well as how you pace each race on race day. Ideally, you should train in a way that prepares you for the specific demands you will be making on your body come race day.

You have done a lot of running. How many miles a week do you average? How tired do you feel at the end of a week of running?

When I look at your plans for the year, I get tired. Of course, you are probably much younger than I am.
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How have you trained for the races you have already done? Did you follow some particular program?

One other observation for your consideration: with a long race every month, there really isn't any time in your schedule for training. It takes, on average, two weeks to recover from a half and (unless you are treating your race as strictly a training run), you should taper two weeks before the next race. Training, to be effective, is multiple weeks of progressive development towards a specific fitness goal. You don't have any time in your schedule for that.

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5/6/15 7:18 P

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Wow, I will try and answer all of your questions. I have been running now for about 4.5 years. I have done three half-marathons and one 18.12 challenge, which was 18.12 miles. In fact, last year I ran the 18.12 on Sunday and then ran a half the next Sunday which I pr'd. I was in fact trying to build up to a fall marathon but life got in the way and I just had to forget about the full at that point.

My race schedule for this year is like this:
May 2 - Half - completed but ended with a sore AT
June 28 - Half
July 25 and 26 - Back to back Halves
Aug 30 - 18.12 Challenge
Oct 11 - Full Marathon

My plan was to go easy and use the halves as training runs, training as though the back to back was a marathon. Gradually building up as I go through the summer and train for marathon for fall. Seemed like a plan that could work IF I was not trying to be fast at any of the races just steady to the finish line. The races (except the full) all have 4 hour limits which is not a problem. My fastest half was 2:22 and my slowest was 2:36.

I also have done and do a lot of hiking, sometimes two hard/long hikes in one weekend. Long hikes being 15-17 miles. Obviously running and hiking are two different animals.

Strategy for races?? This may sound dumb, but what do you mean? Pace? Training? Fuel? I'm not sure what you are referring to.

I do appreciate your feedback. I am still learning about the process.

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5/6/15 11:20 A

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It all depends very much on your current running fitness, how long you have been running, and what sort of weekly mileage your body is adapted to. It is never wise to increase training volume too much at one time. 10% increase per training cycle is a general recommendation.

It also depends on your strategy for the races. Walk one, run one? Run both "to finish"? Try to PR?

CHANGINGHORSES, how long have you been running, what is your normal long run, how many miles per week do you normally run? How many half marathons have you run?

CHANGINGHORSES, what is your strategy for the races?

The answers to these questions will be the foundation for your training plan. If you aren't already "ready" to train at the higher level required to safely run two Halves in two days, then a strategy to walk one race, run one race is probably the way to go. To train for that, you would walk one, run one when it came to weekend long runs.

The advice about not running more than one weekend a month as two longer runs is much too generic. It all depends. I'd suggest that if your body can't handle higher training volume, then you probably aren't ready to run two half marathons on two consecutive days.

Edited by: LIVE2RUN4LIFE at: 5/6/2015 (11:26)
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5/1/15 2:54 P

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I saw this article on "Runner's World". Maybe it will help

www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/pl
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Wow! I have no help for you but I'm following to get any and all advice. I assume you would treat it similar to training for a marathon.

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4/27/15 6:12 P

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Thank you for the suggestions! I too am doing back to back races, two half-marathons in one weekend. "Rock the Canyon" I do not know what possessed me to sign up for that craziness. It sounded good at the time. My money is on the table now, training is in process and I have a half this weekend. I still have three months to go.
I am wondering when to begin splitting up the weekend runs. I have read not to do more then one weekend a month as two longer runs. Do you think it makes a difference on the distances? Lower mileage first day? Higher mileage second? What about speed? (The things that I did not consider until now)

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4/12/15 9:54 P

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The plan I found was the glass slipper challenge. I'm sure he will have a new one out for the gauntlet before time to start actual training.

I can't imagine doing 7 days of half marathons in a row. In 7 states? Very interesting. Let us know how it goes if you do it.

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I saw this thread and have to comment as it's something I've been contemplating for next year. There is a series of races near me called the 'Heartland Series' that has half-marathons each day for 7 days and 7 different states. There is no stringent finishing time, walking is fine, but it is 13.1 miles every day for 7 days. I don't have a clue as to how to train for something like that.....

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Yes, I've heard him talk about that plan. It was for the Goofie challenge, if memory serves.

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Thanks, Catherine. I was thinking along those same lines. I found a Jeff Galloway training plan for a similar race weekend and will follow that. It is very close to what you suggested. He has you walking a gradually increasing distance the day before the long run. It's definitely going to be a challenge.

Thank you so much for your help.

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That sounds like a challenging weekend. The best way to approach it is to use your training plan to prepare you for the specific challenges of these races. First there's the distance, both the single distance of 13.1 miles on Sunday and the combined distance of 19.3 miles in one weekend. To prepare for this, I'd recommend that you work up to a longer long run than the HM (maybe go up to 16 miles).

In addition, you will be asking your body to run that Half without a full day of recovery before it, so your training need to prepare you to 1) recover quickly and 2) run a long distance on partially tired legs. To prepare for this, I'd recommend that you start running a short run the day before the long run.

Edited by: LIVE2RUN4LIFE at: 4/8/2015 (14:58)
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Thank you. Good advice. I appreciate it. I'm a little anxious but always up for a challenge. Will be running with my dh and daughters.

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I have not done one, but I have several friends that have. Once the race is over, start feeding your body so it can start recovery process. I would think you would rest as much as you can. I wouldn't just stay still all day, do a little walking as that will help your legs. Iceing your legs will help with recovery. That's all that I know of.

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I'm considering doing the Infinity Guantlet Challenge for The Disney Avengers Half Marathon Weekend. It would be a 10k on Saturday and the half on Sunday. Have any of you run races on back to back days? If so, any hints for training? The race is in November so I have plenty of time to train. As always, thanks so much for your help.

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