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Good to know about the future cycles of miles + MM, will keep that in mind. I plan to do a series of MM's, according to schedule. The one today actually felt pretty good, but I'd like to lower the time a bit and I think I can with judicious training.

I've done 2 halfs before but not anything recent, so this one is to finish. You brought up an excellent point about 5 and 10K's. I was looking into that very thing last night, but have not found a lot of them in my area. I've found 'practicing' the race, even at a lower mileage like a 5K, can help my jitters during the real thing. Will keep looking.

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It probably doesn't make a lot of difference, but my Galloway group always interpreted this as meaning 3 miles plus an additional Magic Mile.

The MM is a time trial that predicts your best potential pace at longer distances, assuming the right training, the right race conditions, etc. It's a little strong to say that you "should be" able to run it in this time. It is better to think of it as setting the parameters for your training so that you do not over reach and injure yourself. One other thing to keep in mind. The larger the discrepancy between the distance of the time trial and the distance of the goal race, the more the prediction skews to "potential."

Are you doing speed work and following a time goal plan? Will you be running any 5ks or 10ks during your training cycle? These longer distances can help you guage progress towards your goal. Just remember that foot speed is only part of the equation and it takes different people longer -- or shorter -- periods of training to develop the stamina that enables you to maintain race pace for 13 miles. It usually takes more than one training cycle for that, unless you have been running longer runs for some time already. That's also the reason that the general recommendation is to train "to finish" the first HM or Marathon and to save time goal training for subsequent races.

Good luck.

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At a few points on the half-marathon program, there is a mileage plus a Magic Mile, like '3 miles with MM'. Does this mean 3 miles plus one other = 4 miles, or just 3 miles with one of them being a Magic Mile? Perhaps it doesn't make that big of a difference. I did the MM today--my last of the 3 actually scheduled--and it came out to 10:44 (roughly 2:40 for a half). This is the time I should be able to run a half, provided training done, no injury, temp of day, etc.?

Hello, by the way, saw the group on more than one of my friend's page. I've run for more than a few years, but the early years were mostly for the job (military) and not *that* enjoyable. I'm now running because I like it--woo-hoo! Walking within a run takes some getting used to, but I'm finding I can finish a run without being crippled the next day. Always a win.

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Do you know how you strained your Achilles? Tight calves can aggravate Achilles problems, so regular foam rolling of the calves can help with those issues.

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Hopefully after this week, I can start back into personal training for the Half after a 3-week layoff due to a strained Achilles. Doctor said that there was no tear just severely stretch. He recommended R - Rest, I - Ice, C - Compression, E - Elevation, things I had already been doing.

If everything goes well, I will start training with my Half group and coach for the 15-week:
1. Long runs
2. Tempo
3. Intervals
4. Strength
5. Cross train with biking and swimming

GOAL: Sub-2 hour.

Then the California International Marathon in December 2015.

Looking forward to it.

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I started reading the HM book last night. The Galloway plan is a lot slower than the other I'd looked at, I probably should have started sooner! I'm going to start at the 6K week.

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Ah ha, wise words, thank you! There's a lot to think about! I do suffer from being so excited at the beginning of a race and running too fast to sustain myself! I will crack open the HM book and write about my goals and commitment in my diary and see what I can come up with!

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My suggestion is that you do a Magic Mile or some other short time trial. This will give you a good idea of what sort of finish time is realistic for you with your current level of fitness. If the time trial shows this is realistic, then ask yourself how faithful you can / will be to the training program. If you stick to the plan, then you should be OK.

Plus, plan on taking the maximum time allowed. If you end of faster, great, but many people make the mistake in a long race like this of pushing too hard at the beginning out of fear or out of the mistaken belief that you can "bank time." What then happens by starting out too fast or faster than is right for you is that you overly tire yourself early. So the question for yourself is really two fold -- can / will you commit to do all of the training; can / will you trust that training when race time comes?

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Hi! Humidity :-( must really be something in Texas!

Thanks for letting me know to check that (so supportive!) though I did know that because the small races here in Toronto sell out in advance too. I emailed the HM and they said by August it could be sold out and that they put a note online when it's getting close to full. I put notes in my calendar to check it every Saturday in July! hee

The max finish time is 2:45 but in the results from last year there were people slower than that. I hope I can do it in 2:45! One of my friends did a HM she hadn't properly trained for in 3:09 and had walked about 6K, I plan to walk a lot less than that.

Do you think at about 4 or 5 weeks into the training plan I'd have a good idea of whether I'll be ready for Sep 13?


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I live in Texas, so I can certainly sympathize about running in heat and humidity.

Keep an eye on that race. They often sell out sooner than you might expect. What is the maximum finish time allowed for this one?

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I haven't registered yet because I'm not totally confident about how my training will go...but I'm thinking of the Stockholm Half Marathon on September 13th! My boyfriend is Swedish. I have a heart problem so I really struggle to build up my cardio conditioning, plus I despise running in the humidity (I live in Toronto), so summer training might be tough. There's a Half in Toronto in October I could do if I don't feel ready for Sept 13.

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What race are you training for?

Most of us are at different stages of our training, but quite a few post their progress on the Daily Chat thread. Come join us.

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Hello! I'm planning to start the HM program on Monday. Anyone else want to do it at the same time and keep each other motivated? I have Jeff Galloway HM Training for Women.

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Thank you so much.

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Most people use his book "Half Marathon: You Can Do It" but there is also a basic plan on the web site.

www.jeffgalloway.com/training/half-m
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What the the training program? Where could I find it? I am weighing what I want to follow for my November HM. Thanks.

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Alie: Thanks so much for the info! I had an MM scheduled this weekend to figure out my race pace, but the snow and ice will prevent going outside either today or tomorrow. Will get it in next week. After that I can figure out how slow my longer runs should be (I think). Glad to know the training worked!

Dee: Thanks for letting me know the distance intimidated you, too. Somehow I never thought you more experienced runners felt the same. An 'oops' on my part. We all had to start at some point, huh?

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Hi Ann, I used the Galloway training plan for 10K in the fall, and it had long runs up to 14 miles. I couldn't run 6.3 yet and it sounded intimidating. Luckily the folks here on this team helped me to figure out how to adjust my intervals to be at Jeff's recommended long run pace (race pace plus 2 - 2.5 minutes for me) and I ended up doing :30 run / 1:00 walks and the distances were challenging as they went up, but doable. I think the key is really to go slow, even though it seems hard to go that slow at first. (In training for the 10K, my long run pace target was 15:00 / mile!)

Now I'm using the half training plan to prepare for a 10 miler in March (I wanted to get this distance in before attempting a half) and it's going well. My long run target pace is now 14:00 / mile and I'm usually around 13:30. As long as my last mile is the fastest one, I feel I'm not over-reaching.

I find that the long slow distances have really increased my stamina, and surprisingly, my speed over shorter distances. Most importantly for me, it's a confidence builder. If I know I ran 14 miles in training, then 6 (or 10, or 13) in a race should be no problem...or at least that's how my mind works. emoticon

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I've used Galloway to train for marathon distances, but the fears are the same. I recall my fear each time I had to jump a distance.

What I discovered is that as I passed the previously longest distance, the effort felt harder, but it was totally doable. I too was running with a group, and the key to success was doing it slowly.

This is mental; tell yourself you can do this.

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Jayne: I can see that the confidence will build because I wasn't sure I could do the 6.5 miles last weekend, but--while a bit tiring--I got it done. ;-)

Catherine: Yes, I think the major jump in distances is what is freaking me out a bit. This week the long run is 3 miles (plus a MM). Next weekend the long run is 7.5. I have it set in my head not to run more than a 10% increase in mileage per week and this plan kinds of blows that out of the water. But I'm guessing the weeks of alternating low mileage with the high may temper that some? And yes to running slowly--it's something I still need to work on!

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I haven't trained for a half, but I have used Jeff's plans for the marathon, all the way up to 26 mile training run. I was running with a Galloway group at that time, and there was a corresponding group full of people training for a half, all using his plans quite successfully.

Is the distance making you nervous? The key to Jeff's plans is that you run the long run s.l.o.w.l.y. Be as liberal with your walk breaks as you need to be. It will be easier than you think. And then the race itself will be a piece of cake. No fears about the distance the night before the big race.


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I've used the JG training plan for the last couple of years to train for a half. A couple years ago I was training for my very first half. Yes, the distances are overwhelming at first. But, as you complete those long runs, you gain more confidence in your abilities. Just think, there was a time when a 5 mile run was a stretch of your ability. Now you've accomplished that and could do it again. Just think of the longer runs as extensions of your 5 milers. emoticon

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Hello all,

I've been diligently following the JG training plan for a half-marathon in April. My goal is to finish, not time. Everything is fine so far, however, I'm looking at the next few weeks for long runs and seeing 8, 9, 11, 14 miles, etc. and getting nervous--thinking about switching to the Higdon schedule, but still doing the run/walk intervals.

Has anyone actually completed the JG training plan? If so--how did it go? Maybe it's just the nerves...I'm getting to the spot where every long run will have been my longest run yet, you know?

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