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6/9/11 10:18 A

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I've actually read some studies that protein supplements don't work as well as the protein supplements claim, but there's a lot of research that shows they do. It's a heated topic and scientist are scrambling to come to a conclusion.
Many feel that the ones that defend protein supplements use faulty science since protein supplements were first tested on mice and rats. After research showed mice and rats protein synthesize increase when consuming a protein supplement after doing physical activity the private business sector jumped on it.
Protein supplements began to be produced, but not at the rate in which they are now. Now it's a billion dollar industry with this company/brand claiming this and that.

I suggest you read up on the research a little more using google scholar, but don't look too much into it. The EXPERTS don't even agree with each other so won't get a clear answer. It's hard to say if supplements really work because of the way they test supplements in the lab. They usually test it on old people with bone problems or at extremely low muscle masses. And then they tell them to lift weights. They have one group take a placebo supplement (they consume a pill/powder like substance which they believe to be a protein supplement but really is a sugar pill) and another group who actually takes the supplement (in this case protein supplements) with the resistance training.

Then they take data to see the changes in protein synthesize, muscle mass increase, fat decrease, and other measure that indicate the variable (protein supplement) has any effect on the individual/group when compared to the group who took the placebo pill.

When a more than chance (meaning more than 50%) condition (i.e. increase in muscle mass, protein synthesize, or fat loss) occurs then they claim the variable did effect the group and come to conclusions why.

I've actually gotten off all protein supplements since the middle of last summer because of a course I took that drilled us on the scientific method and what can be considered scientifically accurate. Our professor was a leading research scientist known for his harsh critiques of anything trying to be published in the psychology world. He was head of the panel of review which reviewed any experiments trying to be published in the psychology world. Because of this he drilled us hard on the scientific method. I mean hard. We had to complete 2 research essays where we would get a claim and then find scholarly articles that supported it and disputed it.
In psychology it's so hard to understand and grasp the research papers, because unlike the more hard science (biology, physics, etc.) there's no true way to measure a variable 100% accurate all the time since it depends on data/answers based off what the subject answered or the answers of what observers saw the subject do.
Because of this when you write or research any topic of psychology one thing many psychologist come to agree, and that is that every clue to something can be it's biggest strength and it's biggest weakness. Meaning every piece of data can help you figure out why something is and every piece of data can mislead you to figure out why something is.

And this is actually true for all sciences as I came to find out, not just psychology and even in the more hard sciences like biology, physics, and food science.

Because of this at the end of every research paper you find scientist talk about limitations to their studies which shows how their data and results can be affected by mediating variables (other variables that may have caused the results in the data).

After learning about this I found one common thing amongst the research of supplements. The limitations and mediating variables are endless. All scientist agree that there might be something being over looked when researching supplements and their effects. That's why all supplements aren't backed by the FDA.

I'm forgetting the term used that describes the combination of minerals, vitamins, and other nutritious items find in food. It's basically the idea that the benefits of food are not due to a single factor of that food (i.e. vitamin C in a orange, protein in a piece of meat) but the combination of vitamin, minerals, and other unknown factors of that food that caused benefits from food. This idea is starting to become the realization of food science and nutrition.

So I got off my protein supplements and didn't see any effect on performance, muscle size, or lean body mass index after taking it out of my diet. But I'm bias so don't go off my word.
I believe in the interaction of all the components of food. I don't see how you can get 1 thing from food and claim it caused this or that since that piece of food has so many vitamins, minerals and unknown vitamins and mineral that haven't even been discovered. Food has so many other aspects of it that scientist discovery 3-6 new vitamins and minerals every year! And this is fact.

This is my knowledge of the subject and my thoughts about it.

If you do decide to buy a protein supplement I suggest Muscle Milk's 100% Whey. It's the most economical protein out there with a decent taste.

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6/7/11 3:42 P

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6/7/11 10:09 A

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I hardly think taking a 25g scoop of proteien powder after a workout is going to tax your kidneys at all. And if you are getting a pure protein powder its not going to make you fat. They have almost no carbs or fat at all in them. You usually get 23g of protein per scoop right at about 100-110 calories depending on the brand. He's not talking about "weight gainer" supplements of the past which were pretty much all carbs... And it sounds to me like he is supplementing his already good diet with this to get just a touch more protein without having to pay much.

I got a huge bag of Myoplex at Sams for like 30 bucks... it's 5lbs or something like that. I recommend getting vanilla so if you want to flavor it you can throw whatever esle you want in there (oatmeal, berries, and PB is good for post workout drink). Most supplements out there are some combination of different qualities of whey isolates and they can be absorbed faster than ones that have a lot of Casianate proteins in it. If you are just using post workout, then the whey would be better since your body is really receptive to putting nutrients where they belong after a good workout.

If you do want food sourced protein on a budget, then I beleive Eggs are the cheapest per gram of protein source... boiling them makes it convenient, if not super boring.

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6/7/11 8:53 A

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best protein supplements on the market - milk, eggs, soy.
also, try cold-cuts, like lean turkey breast or ham.

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6/6/11 11:22 P

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Protein supps are all going to burn a hole in your wallet. Unless you really invest the time, quite a few of them will actually add on weight/bulk. If they work at all, its only during very consistent-4+ days or more -of high intensity workouts. There are plenty of resources on-line, just do a Google search, where you can save money just by buying dairy, vegetable and fruit proteins at your grocers. And all you ned is an inexpensive blender.

Actually I just found 7 sites on SparkPeople that have recipes for protein drinks.

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6/6/11 10:46 P

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I would totally like to read those studies if you know where I can find them.

I just thought since me and my girl (right now anyhow) are only living off of about 35 dollars a week for food -- and protein heavy meals usually blow that budget out of the water -- I figured getting a supplement would be cheaper in the long run. I thought a jar of that stuff could last me a month or more for the same price as a few heavy protein meals no?

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Supplements are just that ... supplements. Why not fix your diet? i.e. plan a better post-workout snack with a few more grams of protein. Unless you are training as an Olympian your post-workout protein needs are probably only 10g or less. Recent studies show no positive effect of mega-doses of protein after a moderate workout. Other than a hole in your pocket and stress on your kidneys!

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6/6/11 6:02 P

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EAS makes a really decent one 'Myoplex' and you can get it practically anywhere (Even Walmart). You could also go to trueprotein.com and get great quality in bulk. They have some good mixes or you can go crazy and make your own perfect mix.

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So far I Believe I am doing great with my strength and weight training but I've been feeling off lately. I look at what I have been eating and Notice that I have been just barely making my daily minimum amount of protein needs. Considering all the strength and weight Training I have been doing, I thought (and read) that it might be best to get a protein supplement of some sort to balance thing out for myself. Problem is that I have never bought a protein supplement in my life!

If anyone knows of a Great supplement I could get I would love to know what the best is! Flavor is definitely not an issue I'm mainly looking for something that is effective and will last me for awhile for my dough. I am poor as hell, so cheap is good, but I'm willing to splurge if its something that will really help. If any of you guys know of a good one I would seriously appreciate it.

For some reason I don't want to go into a GNC and ask the clerk there because I feel like they are just going to scam me like a car dealer or something (i'm not trying to insult anyone if you happen to be a car dealer, but you get what I mean).


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