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Unless you are under the care of a professional - largely as long term liquorice use can result in potassium deficiency, which negatively affects high blood pressure.

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"People with high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, or kidney, heart, or liver conditions should avoid licorice. This herb should also not be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women or by men with decreased libido or other sexual dysfunctions. Use of any licorice product is not recommended for longer than 4 - 6 weeks." -http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/licori
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You are very welcome ... please let me know how you go with everything, won't you?

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Thanks so much for all of your help
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That looks pretty good to me. Carbs might be a touch high ... I try and keep to 100-150/day, but if they are coming from fruit and veges only, then it's probably not the worst thing in the world. No ondietary system suits everyone and spark people is a very generic guide, trying to be one size fits all .... it doesn't take into account our disordered metabolism, especially in regards to carbs.

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I ran my "old diet" through spark people and this is what was calculated.
*********amount****range*********amount left

CALORIES 1,186 1,200 - 1,550 14 - 364

CARBS 159 163 - 236 4 - 77

FAT 9 32 - 56 23 - 47

PROTEIN 133 60 - 127 0


My first high protein diet- and the only one I have not hated. Plus there was room left for another snack if I got hungry.
1,406 191 9 155 here are the numbers with more yogurt! Yum

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Hi,
Have a read of the post 'HAIR LOSS - What Can Be Done?' in our General Discussion Board, I've listed a few things that block DHT in there. Saw Palmetto and spearmint are probably the main two.

EDIT: I see you have !

Vitex is excellent at normalising hormones, no matter which way they are out of whack (excuse the technical terminology emoticon won't you?). It's an adaptogen, so it just brings everything back into order. I would probably start on Vitex and Saw Palmetto to begin with and keep a strict eye on your diet - lots of high quality protein, vegetables, some fruit small serves not too frequently and low GI foods and less than 150 g carbs a day, less may be better. That stops your body needing to produce insulin in the first place, so you'll have less of an issue with DHT to be dealing with.

The safety question doesn't really have an easy answer - herbs are potent physiological substances and they can have effects just as strong as any drug. It is important to take the right amount of the right thing, and the right combination of things to get the result you are after, taking into consideration your own personal biochemistry. It is always best to take herbs under the guidance of a qualified and experienced naturopath, however, they can be thin on the ground and those with experience in PCOS are even scarcer.

Liquorice use over the long term needs to be balanced out with potassium supplementation, that's all. It causes an increased loss of potassium, which can raise blood pressure or affect drugs such as digoxin, corticosteroids, thiazide or loop diuretics.

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emoticon I read your hair questions piece. I picked Saw palmetto because I was trying to block DHT and I had trouble finding out what everything did to compare them. The stinging nettle would be great as it is also good for allergies.

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Thanks for the hint on magnesium! It is funny how many problems are actually due to a deficiency in something. I was put on calcium and iron for menstrual cramps and anemia. The calcium worked better than NSAIDS. emoticon

I think I got spooked by the warnings on the hormonal herbs. So I will have to reconsider peony, black cotash, and vitex.

I went back and cod also had 100% of my Vitamin D, Selenium, and fagosomekindaantioxidantthingy-or-another. The last thing is good for depression as well. Maybe just eating cod everyday was cheaper than all of the supplements!

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With the Vitex Agnus Castus(Chasteberry), Liquorice, Paeony how are the safety issues. The Liquorice looked great but they said it was not for continuous use. Do people use it continuously anyway?

My testosterone is normal, and my female hormones are low. I think I need something that would help to raise my progesterone levels and reduce / block DHT- would Vitex do that?

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That sounds like a good mix to start with. You might be able to up the Magnesium a bit. I take 3g /day in divided doses, largely as a migraine preventative (works brilliantly by the way) but the insulin sensitising effects are an added bonus.

Check out this website for how to make chocolate: http://hubpages.com/hub/HOW-TO-MAKE-CHOCOL
ATE-AT-HOME Sounds a bit tedious and messy but WOW how good would your kitchen smell afterwards!!!!! :)

I'm not a huge fan of soda, but occasionally I get some mineral water, squeeze half a lemon in then a scoop or two of stevia and voila it tastes like lemonade (to me).

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Exactly how hard can it really be?

Do you think they mean 85% by volume or weight? emoticon emoticon

Well I picked out my supplements. I took a few this morning and I felt better within the next couple of hours. It also might have been the delicious soda I used to take them.... emoticon I have not had soda in days.... Plus today is the first sunny day this month! Yeah!

I took Vitamin A, 18,400 D(safe because I am fat and have had no real sun in 5 years), 800 mg chromium picolate, iron (I am deficient)and 800 mg magnesium. I looked up the amounts for PCOS and I ordered cod liver oil, fish oil, saw palmetto, and Vitamin D.

I am thinking of adding tryptophan. Thank you for mentioning that it might have been what worked. I was eating about 280 grams of cod fish a day that's 1.98 grams plus eggbeaters (egg whites) for breakfast. Quite a bit.

I am not sure how to take it trytophan or 5-HTP.

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I know they use soy lecithin in all sorts of products, so it probably does help us a bit, but the sheer quantity we need to make up 1200mg of d-chiro inositol is just ludicrous. I'm only taking 3 tbsp of soy lecithin most days now, cos 6 tbsp was starting to turn me off the stuff. It's still working though, I'm still losing weight without changing my diet and exercise regime (which has already been healthy for years). Buckwheat farinetta is also supposed to contain a lot of DCI, but I can't seem to find it in Australia.

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I tried some chocolate made with coconut oil at a market once ... I think it still had sugar in it, just fair trade, barely refined stuff. It was really nice. Let me see if I can find the company's details

Have a look at these guys: http://www.nuicoconut.com/

I think it sounds like you are on the right track with making chocolate yourself. If the really good stuff is 85% cocoa ?solids how hard can it be?? Famous last words emoticon

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Thanks for the hint on the green tea. I know it is supposed to be better for you. I will have to make up some of my chamomile and drink it every day. My grandfather had a leg amputated because of it, I don't want it. emoticon

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I decided to try and make PCOS chocolate with baker's chocolate and stevia.. to bad even in baker's chocolate the first ingredient is sugar.... emoticon

It will be much harder than I thought. I would have to find out how to Make Chocolate, I was only planning on MELTING chocolate and adding sweetner.


emoticon Well if Hershey can do it so can I. The benefit is all in the cocoa powder. I don't think fat is really bad for PCOS it is just the refined sugar. (I think) Maybe stevia, cocoa, butter, vanilla and ???? will work.

Or I might just make the world's biggest kitchen disaster... It always gets funny when I forget I can't cook.
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a typical chocolate bar will also have sugar, milk (if it's milk chocolate, not if it's dark), cocoa butter, lecithin, flavorings (like vanilla) , sometimes vegetable oil, and a few minor ingredients for texture.

???Could our bodies use the inositol in this form???
Lecithin, a lipid material composed of choline and inositol, is found in all living cells as a major component of cell membranes, which regulate the nutrients entering and exiting the cell. The term "lecithin" has two definitions depending on what group is using the term. Scientists define lecithin as synonymous with phosphatidylcholine, the name for one of the principle phospholipids. On the other hand, producers of lecithin for commercial use use the term lecithin to refer to a complex mix of phosphatides and other substances that contain phosphatidylcholine.

Many studies have been administered to test lecithin's effect on Alzheimer's disease. Lecithin produces the neurotransmitter acetylcholine which enables communication and signal-transmission between brain cells. Alzheimer's disease can be caused by a change in production of acetylcholine. Many speculate that an increase in lecithin will prompt brain cells to produce more acetylcholine, thus improving memory. Lecithin and choline have been tested to do this and neither has been proven to be affective. In most of these studies, a portion of subjects improved markedly, while others were not helped at all. www.vanderbilt.edu/ans/psychology/he
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th_psychology/LECITHIN_SUPPLEMENT.htm
I wonder if this is why chocolate is good for the mind.
www.essortment.com/lifestyle/benefit
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cocoa butter high fat but really not bad. I think if the sugar was switched to stevia chocolate could be made PCOS friendly.
www.vitaminstuff.com/supplements-coc
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Wow, looks like you've spent a lot of time on this recently! Thanks for the links, there are some very interesting articles there. I always love reading about chocolate being good for you :)

If cod is high in tryptophan, that could very well be why you feel so great when you eat a tonne of seafood, especially being in a low-sunshine area. Makes very good sense.

I read a study somewhere recently that said that a cup of chammomile tea which each meal reduces blood sugar levels and also inhibits cancer and diabetic complications such as nephropathy, diabetic neuropathy and cataracts. http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art
.asp?articlekey=92632

Sounds good to me :) I keep forgetting to take it though. I take green tea in tablet form as I find that's easier, I actually find the taste quite bitter, which everyone says is strange as i drink espresso coffee without sugar or sweetener ... but I find green tea much more bitter! I've found a brand that I really like recently, it's Madame Flavour Green Tea with Jasmine & Pear and it is beautiful. Mild, refreshing and not bitter. http://www.madameflavour.com/boutique.html Their other teas are really good as well. I've tried them all :)

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Tryptophan reduces depression, SAD, and PMS.
Occurs naturally is in fairly high dosages in cod fish. It also is hard for lactose intolerant people to digest. Maybe that is why I need so much fish.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan

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My brain is getting so saturated with herbs, I believe I am starting to forget which herb goes with which effect.

-one of them is a strong enough antiviral that it was effective against the aids virus. Probably wouldn't cure but might help to prevent... I hope I can find it again

-mercury ellimination. Vit C and cilantro, wheatgrass,

-anti-viral-licorice, grape leaf

-anti-inflammatory- fish, pomogranate,

-dental caries prevention- xylitol, licorice

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Plus while surfing I found a site that shows that pomegranates may have an anti-inflammatory effect- good for PCOS.

www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Researc
h/
Pomegranate-s-anti-inflammatory-effeR>cts-strengthened


and licorice may prevent bowl cancer,
www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Researc
h/
Natural-chemical-in-liquorice-hints-R>at-new-cancer-prevention-strategy


prevent cavities, (close to: candy to prevent cavities- every childs dream)

www.confectionerynews.com/Processing
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ackaging/Compounds-in-liquorice-rootR>-may-help-fight-tooth-decay


have an antiviral effect
www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Li
qu
orice-compound-may-stop-cancer-from-R>herpes



cocoa helps with math www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Fl
av
anol-rich-chocolate-drink-helps-mathR>s-performance



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I am debating taking fish oil and cod liver oil. It looks like vitamin D is fairly safe especially since there still isn't any sunshine here. Maybe the problem is a deficiency in Vitamin D and others. I have not even been supplementing Vitamin D. I know the lady at the health store's MD has her on about six times the allowance, because she doesn't absorb it well.


www.eldr.com/article/health/monthly-
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tamin-d-supplement-safe-and-effective


www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Researc
h/
Experts-call-for-vitamin-D-level-hike


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Good for you! It is a nice change from chicken. I think cod is pretty low fat & high protein.

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MMMMmmmm Chai Tea
Thanks for the hint I'll see if I can find it here. I need to switch from soda to tea.

I have found I drink a lot of herbal tea. I know I should be drinking green- in time I guess. My favorites are Good Earth's Original sweet and spicy -it has Red Rooibos, Chicory Root, Artificial flavor, Rose hips, Cinnamon, Peppermint, Lemongrass, Papaya, Chamomile, Panax Ginseng Leaves, Anaise Seed, Ginger Root, Dandelion Root, Orange Peel, and Orange Oil.
Other than that I love Peppermint tea, Bigelow's Perfect peach, Eater's Digest, Liqorice Tea(fennel I think), Salada makes a cheap green tea which for some reason I like (probably not as strong), and any cinnamony, spicy black chai tea. I am partial to anything with Ginger or Anaise in it.

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I've started drinking some of my tea milk free, since reading something similar. I've always preferred milky tea, but I've found that weak, Stockholm tea (it has black tea with calendula flowers, orange peel and other stuff in it) is quite nice black.

Well I found some fresh cod fillets yesterday and tried them for dinner. They weren't bad at all, quite bland really (even with my lemon and garlic on them). Nothing like smoked cod :P blahhhh. Hate the stuff.

I will try and incorporate more cod into my diet, cos I don't eat as much protein as I should and I get sick of chicken.

Thanks!!

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Thanks, I read somewhere that an herb would help to eliminate Mercury. I must have confused where I got the information from.

I found two web sites which stated that PCOS women were at higher risks for ovarian cancer. To make matters worse ovarian cancer is often not caught early enough to be treatable. This site stated that several cups of tea (milk free) would lower our risk of ovarian cancer.


www.healthcastle.com/tea-ovarian-can
ce
r.shtml


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I don't remember mentioning a herb that was good for clearing mercury, but coriander (cilantro I think it is called in USA) is good for pulling it out of cells, then if you take vitamin C, that helps to chelate it to allow your body to excrete it.

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Alpha lipoic acid sounds like it's beneficial for IR as well, it might be worth checking out.

I can really relate to what you said about sugar tasting like poison after a period of abstinence. I have found the same thing. If you keep your diet (particularly carbohydrate intake) regular, low GI and balanced throughout the day it is much easier to refuse bad foods, because your body truly doesn't want them.

I don't know whether cutting down fruit will be a good thing for you or not ... I know it seemed to help me, but my mind (and nutritionist's training) prefers the theory that it's a naturally produced food in it's whole, fresh form and we should be able to eat as much of it as we want (my tastebuds also prefer this theory).

I really think the most important thing is how you feel when you're doing certain things ... if you feel good (even great) eating more seafood than society says is 'normal' then go for it, your body is obviously telling you it is fine. Maybe also because the rest of your diet seems pretty much grain free, you need more fruit to get some carbs. I have a small amount of whole grains with each meal (7.5g of carbohydrate worth with breakfast, and 15 g with lunch and dinner).

I'll definitely look out for fresh/frozen cod fillets, especially if they are low in mercury. Thanks for the tip.

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Part of the benefit of cooking the fish separately in little tinfoil boats is everyone's food can be seasoned separately.
My roomie got sick of lemon quickly- very quickly as she let me do all of the cooking.

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Thanks- So I will still need the Evening primrose oil or a dietary replacement. As a double benefit this herb is also suggested to alleviate depression. I seem to be short all of the fatty vitamins.

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Thanks for the feedback. It really helps to know what I need to add. A B-complex might round it out. I'll try the chromium and gymnema and see if it helps.

I originally tried the diet as an experiment- avoid all foods that set me off. I am lactose intolerant, seem to have trouble with wheat, and I overreact to refined sugars and chemicals. I find my stomach feels warm after I eat sugar or drink alcohol. I can feel my body reacting to chemicals and unfortunately I generally really want more of them. I am more chemically reactive than most people. I have had close male friends try to weed me off of caffeine because they could see it was bad for me. It is pretty bad when other people can see you canít handle it. I react to it like it is a drug. I just canít have it. After being on this diet for 6 months, sugar tasted like poison.

I chose wild cod because I think it has a lower mercury level. I am willing to add in other fish, it just takes some research. (and I can be lazyÖ) Some fish is loaded with Omega 6ís (tilapia and catfish) which I found out is already loaded in our chicken, eggs, dairy, and beef because we switched our animals from eating bugs and grass to being grain fed.

I will try your suggestion and try cutting down the fruit. I might be getting away with it because I tend to eat it with protein. I consume about 2 cups of yogurt a day with the fruit and otherwise eat it with meals. Even on its own though I donít feel my body react to it. There is no sugar rush or cravings. I also eat an insane amount of fiber on this diet. Which I seem to need.

I will defiantly try the herb you said was good for toxic metals. I know I am eating a lot of fish. The funny thing is I feel so good on it and I have so much energy. My mother teaches special education. She tried to make me go in and get hyperactivity drugs because my energy level was irritating her.

I felt really good and really clean- like my body had cleaned out all of the toxins and excess junk. It was like my systems were all working flawlessly. I felt happy and felt better about myself.

I think I was taking a hair vitamin part of the time which gave me some biotin and Bís. I think I was taking calcium as well, my MD diagnosed me as being calcium and iron deficient 20 years ago, so when I am really healthy I normally just add calcium in.

I have never met anyone who ate the amount of seafood I feel healthy on. Donít really know why. It might be because I have all inflaminatory health problems, allergies, childhood asthma, PCOS and SAD/ winter blues(which has the same "cure" Vitamin D, Evening Primrose Oil, or sunlight.)

I think you will like the quinoa. I put some in a soup. It tasted good and comes in different varieties. As a bonus it is very easy to digest. Wheat makes me blow up....
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Gosh no, THANK YOU for writing a book :) I am always interested to learn what works for PCOS - it's such a hard thing to treat.

I'm sure that the dieticians on SparkPeople will disagree, but I think that your diet doesn't sound too bad. Very strict and probably is a bit light on some nutrients- calcium for instance (which you can get from dairy, tofu, enriched soy milk, the bones of tinned fish - salmon, anchovies, sardines etc). You would also have to be aware of how much B12 you were getting (but it is in eggs, shellfish and milk so you'd probably be OK). Because of the heavy metal problem in our seas, the current recommendations are to not eat fish more than 2-3 x week I think, however smaller fish, lower down the food chain are OK, as mercury is retained in the flesh and the larger carnivorous fish tend to build up quite a bit of mercury. But I think you are already aware of all this.

Depending on how bad your insulin resistance is, I would query the unlimited whole fruit. I absolutely LOVE fruit and used to eat a fair amount (several pieces a day ... maybe as much as 5-6) and found that cutting it out for a while then severely limiting myself (no more than 1 piece a day and I no longer buy it every week) has helped me to lose weight. I also make sure if I do eat fruit that I take a chromium tablet and a gymnema tablet just prior to help my body cope better with the sugars.

I have heard really good things about quinoa (nutritionally) and even have a packet in the cupboard, but I haven't tried it yet.

I definitely think as a cleansing, give your digestive system a break from all the processed crap that's around, type of diet it sounds fantastic. As a general rule, anything that gives you more energy is doing you good. If you are seriously missing out on any nutrients, you will tend to feel more tired and lethargic after a while. So if it worked for you, then I'd stick with it. Definitely adding in as much fresh, natural, unprocessed food to your diet is a good thing.

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That's interesting, I have the same 'problem' with lemon juice - I absolutely love the stuff. In fact I eat the flesh when I get lemon wedges served with salad or fish ... yummy. My partner can't stand it. Boo say I. The person doing the cooking gets to choose how it's seasoned. :)

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I think you might be confusing two ALAs -

Alpha lipoic acid is the one that has the benefits you describe. You need to get this as an individual supplement I believe.

Alpha linolenic acid (otherwise known as Omega 3 Fatty Acid) can be converted by enzymes in our body to eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) (about 5%) or docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) (less than 0.5%). Although you can obtain ALA from flaxseed oil, most people recommend taking fish oil which already has the DHA and EPA preformed, so you are not relying on the body's enzymatic function to convert ALA into DHA and EPA. This is probably especially relevant for women with PCOS as their metabolic function especially in relation to absorption and assimilation of nutrients seems particulary screwed up.

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I found a diet that worked for me.

Breakfast: Eggs and salsa/Fruit and yogurt

unlimited vegetables- Eat a salad before every meal. spinach, green, red, yellow, and orange peppers, tomatoes, broccoli, ... NO corn, potatoes and peas which are more of a starch.

Unlimited whole fruit- berries, cantaloupe, pineapple,... I often mixed with yogurt and a dash of vanilla. Some juice acai, noni, pomegranate...

Fish with about 90 % of my lunch and dinner meals. At the time mostly cod fish- I have learned to like salmon since then. occasionally 1/2 cup of rice with meals.

Lemon water, tea (decaf), any spices(lots of fresh basil)

I am thinking of adding in quinoa, wild rice, millet maybe and some other odd grains as long as they are healthy, low glycemic, and gluten free.

I also worked out about two hours a day. One hour of cardio and one hour of either yoga, or pilates.+ weight training. I need the yoga and pilates for an old spinal fracture in my lower back. If you help anyone dealing with old spinal injuries 4 hours of yoga helps to stretch and strengthen rebalanceing the body and core work helps to support the spine.

Does this seem healthy or am I missing something major? Oh yeah right now I am not on my healthy regimen.... that was 100 pounds ago... worked pretty easily for me though.
It seemed to minimize my PCOS, cured my depression, and gave me TONS of energy, minimized my digestive issues.
Sorry I wrote a book...

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Yeah I know more fun to eat with someone... However you can get wild caught frozen fillets for convenience. I always broil the fish. To make cleaning easier, add flavor to the fish, or to get a softer fillet I cook the fish in tinfoil boats. I fold the tinfoil to make four lifted sides. I pour in lemon juice and then add herbs. seal the top and the fish cooks in lemon juice.
I had a friend over and I tried to cook for her. I realized how much lemon I used when she told me she didn't like it. What? How about lemon juice and rosemary....LOL poor girl

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ALA has been shown to help with insulin resistance. ALA can be converted in our bodies to ELA? (fish oil)
Will a fish oil supplement cover both functions so I won't need to worry about ALA?

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Cod fish you say? I should definitely eat more fish. I probably will when my partner gets back in a day or two. He's been away for a couple of months on work and I'm dreadful - I don't tend to bother cooking for myself as much when there's no-one else around to tell me how delicious and tasty it is! Terrible habit.

I found an interesting article on cod here:
www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=fo
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I wonder if I can get fresh cod? I'm not a huge fan of the smoked stuff.

I'm certain that everybody assimilates nutrients at different rates. Assimilation even varies greatly according to what foods you eat together. For instance Chromium is a notoriously difficult to absorb mineral, but if you take it with foods or supplements containing Vitamins C & B Complex, then you greatly increase the rate of absorbtion. Vitamin D requires fat to be absorbed so it is best taken with other fat-soluble vitamins, such as Vitamins A, E and Omega 3 & 6.

I agree with you on the other points (supplementation, inability to absorb etc). Everyone is so different and our individual biochemistry is SOOOO complex.

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Anne- interesting article. Vitamin D's ability to aid in the removal of mercury is a plus for me, as I eat a lot of fish when I am healthy. It is mostly cod fish.

Here's a friendly hint. Many bodybuilders find that they get the best muscle gains when eating a diet high in cod fish. It might help PCOS women to put on slightly better muscle gains when they are lifting weights.

Also researching depression, I found that some depressed people need a lot of vitamin D. Many people required a level of vitamin D in their blood that was higher than the general population to control depression. Plus they seemed to require a greater amount of supplementation to raise their blood levels. (Perhaps an inability to absorb it from foods?) I am wondering if some people do not utilize vitamin D as effectively which may lead to depression and possibly cycle problems (Vit. D regulates sex hormones.)? If a shortage of Vitamin D and inflammation were the cause of some of these problems, some people could be spared this just by proper supplementation.

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Good for you! As soon as I can I am going to move somewhere sunnier. I am so much happier when I can get outside and get some sunshine.

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And thank you for the help. It is really nice to have someone actually know what helps.

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Wow - so maybe Vitamin D will help you a lot. It's probably still a good idea to get your levels tested so you know how bad the deficiency is to begin with. Not surprising given where you live though. :( I'm lucky I live in Australia which is fairly sunny most of the year. I love being outdoors.

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I have done some research on Vitamin D. I have both PCOS and SAD or winter blues. I also live in the cloudiest, darkest part of North Dakota. I believe that my SAD worsens my PCOS. SAD makes me produce too much melatonin and even less Serotonin. I couldn't say if the problem is due to a decrease in Serotonin or simply the fact that SAD makes me depressed. Then my healthy lifestyle fades with the sun because I crave carbs, get a sinus infection, and hibernate. LOL



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Vitamin D is an interesting one. Recent studies have found that women with PCOS have a much higher risk of being deficient in Vitamin D, some quite seriously. It is well worth getting a blood test to find out if you are one of them. The right test to ask for is a 25(OH)D blood test. Sunshine is the most natural way to get vitamin D - although the amount varies greatly depending on the colour of your skin (the amount of melanin) and the strength of the sun at that particular geographical location and time of year, on average most people will produce up to 20,000 i.u of Vitamin D after 20 minutes of sun exposure in the summer. And the good thing about obtaining it the natural way is that your body has a natural feedback loop preventing you from producing too much, whereas with supplements it is possible to overdose.

This article has a heap of links to information about sunshine and the benefits of Vitamin D:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl
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Did you know, recent research actually indicates that sunshine is very good for us? When our skin is exposed to sunlight, it produces Vitamin D, which women with PCOS are at a higher risk for being deficient in than the general population. Vitamin D is essential for a lot of body processes, mainly maintaining a balance of calcium and phosphorus levels in the blood, to ensure strong bones, but also lowering your risk of cancer, multiple sclerosis and diabetes and reducing tumor growth as reported in the NY Times early last year http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/health/1
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84fe6fc5f31&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc
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DEPRESSION:
Vitamin D
Chromium
Evening Primrose Oil
SAMe
Fish Oil- (This one works for me. emoticon )

St.John's Wort- (I take it before bed- it seems to help me sleep better.)

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SYSTEM WIDE INFLAMATION:

Fish Oil / Omega 3

Vitamin E- natural source is better for this vitamin

Evening Primrose Oil (GLA)-exema, arthritis, women's health


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INSULIN RESISTANCE:

Cinnamon (1/2) to 2 teaspoons

Magnesium

Biotin

Vitamin D- restored menstral cycles in (7 of 9), 2 of 13 became pregnant, reduces insulin resistance, helps with depression,

Excercise B4 eating

Apple Cider Vinegar 2 TBSP before meals (Or pickle juice/pickles/cucumber soaked in vinegar)

Weight Loss (even 5-10%)


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HORMONE IMBALANCE:
LICORICE- 3.5 grams
Saw Palmetto (reduces DHT- damages hair)
Paeony
Vitex Agnus Castus (Chasteberry)
d-chirol inositol
Indole 3 carbanol
d-pinitol
Fish oil
Vitamin D
Natural Progesterone
inositol


Licorice - http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/licoric
e-000262.htm

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My hair became thin from PCOS.
Biotin really helped my hair and my nails.
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Oh gosh ... there are so many things we are deficient in or that help mitigate the effects of PCOS or improve insulin sensitivity or hormonal imbalance. I'll try and get some information to you tomorrow.

Here's a few you could start researching on your own:
Apple Cider Vinegar,
Evening Primrose Oil
Fish Oil
Vitamin E
Vitamin D
Vitamin C
Vitamin A (need to be careful balancing this in an appropriate ratio with D though. Probably need blood tests eideally)
Vitamin B complex
Magnesium
Chromium,
Zinc,
Saw Palmetto
Vitex Agnus Castus
Liquorice
Paeony
Green Tea
well ... that should keep you occupied until I've got time to write reams and reams :)

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