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So according to the article posted here I have diverticulosis now but it can turn into the other thing. Eliz enjoy your vacation.

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Laura, so sorry you are dealing with these things. I hope no one takes offence to this but Insurance companies drive me crazy. They make sure they get their money each month don't they? I hope your situation is resolved soon. I does sound like you know your body well, however, and that is great. IBS and Div together can't be much fun.

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Tammae;
My diverticulitis usually does not bother me much unlike my IBS. When I do not have enough carbs or protein then I lose everything. My doctor for gastric problems told me to take fiber twice a day. This seems to help me from having that trouble. when I fast and do not eat little or anything it does not bother me. I am still struggling with emotional eating and after talking to an insurance specialist from United Health Care today I was thoroughly tempted to eat again when I did not need to. Sending me paperwork about getting disability and then telling me that I had too much money already made me almost blow my top! They want you to go broke before they help you out.

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I'm really sorry to hear of your husband's struggles, Adrienne! I hope he feels much better soon. He may want to try supplementing with magnesium, and reading the book 'Breaking the Vicious Cycle'.

This article is pretty heavily-weighted from a conventional medical perspective... which isn't bad, I suppose, but I know a dozen or so people with diverticular disease, and conventional medicine hasn't been particularly helpful to them in controlling flares... especially fibre recommendations. Fibre, overall, is what feeds the bugs which cause the infections in the gut.

IMO, there is just enough information in this article to be dangerous to some, and not enough to be really helpful to anyone. Also, again IMO, the worst people to talk to about healing the gut are gut 'specialists'.

Most disturbing in this article is that it doesn't differentiate between soluble and insoluble fibre. While insoluble fibre may be of some help in managing diverticular disease for some people, I've not known insoluble fibre to be of any help, and in fact seems to cause more problems.

Personally, I think Eliz, with her experience, is a much better authority.




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This article popped up on my facebook about diverticulitis, I thought it summed new research up nicely and might be handy for someone knew to hearing of this condition, plus also a good reminder for people like my hubby (who I'll share it with) as he has ongoing issues with his, including recently being up at the emergency room as it turned out he'd gotten constipated and it was before the scar tissue so his intense pain was from scar tissue trying to stretch! OUCH!

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We are on vacation until October 3. So just catching up here! ;o)

Thanks Ramona. Yes I have read those books too, and followed the blogs. I have 5 boys adopted from near starvation (one was 7 and weighed 15 pounds) who have Down Syndrome. They now eat a gluten free and Healing gut diet. So we had started researching these 5 years ago after the standard American diet made them sicker!!

Fasting still helps my Div tremendously.
On vacation right now I tend not to "count" the fasting hours, I just go as long as I can between 2 mini "meals". For instance last night I ate cheese off a slice of pizza at 8 p.m. and its 3:30 p.m. now so I'll probably eat something small that's LC/HF soon, and a tiny bit before bed. The trick is actually not eating to allow the body to heal.

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Oh, Laura, so sorry to read about your healthy issues. My mother has diverticulitis, diabetes, and high blood pressure. The blood pressure is under control with SO much medication but she really needs it. She doesn't understand diverticulitis because I see her eating nuts all the time. I'm happy the berries do not affect you. That is good news. Does fasting help you feel better during flareups?

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Hi gang;
I was diagnosed with diverticulitis in 2014 when I had my colonoscopy. I only have problems when I eat too many nuts or seeds. Strawberries and raspberries do not bother me. I also have problems with IBS too. That is more of a probelm. I am taking fiber for that now and it seems to help.

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This is such a great thread... Eliz, I hope you share your story at every opportunity! There are so many people who suffer needlessly who would benefit from hearing of your experience!

I don't have diverticulitis, but My family has combated SIBO, h-pylori, IBS and various other gut issues including Crohn's, and from my experience, the reason the fasting works is that the particular bugs that cause infection and distress in these situations literally starve to death.

Low carb is still some carb/sugar/fibre in the gut. No carb is how I stumbled onto fasting and 'accidentally' completed my own healing.

If you are interested, Eliz, you may get even further relief when you are eating if you follow the SCD protocol (Specific Carbohydrate Diet... actually the original diet to treat Crohn's in children before the advent of pharmaceuticals). The theory here (and which has been proven out in my own family - 5 family members so far) is that a damaged gut can't heal properly if exposed to polysaccharides and disaccharides in the diet. The only sugars that can be effectively processed are monosaccharaides.

Essentially, you eliminate all sugars and starches (potatoes, squash, bananas, rice, grains, dairy)... in essence it's a very low-carb diet, unless you include fruit and honey (which are monosaccharaides).

The book I read was 'Breaking the Vicious Cycle, and it has changed our lives!

Again, THANK YOU for sharing your story... very powerful!



...and Tammae, your family is my prayers (you, too, Eliz)... it is so hard as our parents get older. The line between helping them maintain their independence and keeping them healthy and well is so hard to find. I feel for you...w e are in a very similar boat with my and my husband's parents.

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Aaaw! kidnapping her! :o) I hope she enjoys her birthday! :o) Oh I am so sorry to hear of her suffering. I absolutely hate diverticulitis.

Yes I agree, Drs hear people say they will change all the time! I've even said I would and then went home and didn't. I think my endo appreciates having somebody- anybody- finally do what they promised! LOL!

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Do you realize how rare it is for a doctor to have a patient who actually follows through with eating right and trying to be healthy? I'm sure they hear it all... and to see your motivation to be healthy and actually follow through probably stumped the doc. It is human nature to think 'Wish I'd done this sooner' but even at our age it is helping. I'm so glad your div is gone for now and I hope it stays that way.

Mom had a flair up again yesterday for about an hour. Found out she had more sweet corn. I am seeing her on Tuesday and she wants to fix sausage/sauerkraut but I told her if she feels like she's having issues to forget it... we will have something else. She loves sauerkraut and always wants to have it with me I guess because no one else in the family will eat that. It does smell pretty rough in the crock pot! Lol
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I feel VERY blessed to have healed myself with real food, good healthy fats and now fasting. I did "catch" my opportunity to do this immediately after my A1C was in the type 2 range. If I had let it go like Doc says most people do, she would have made me take the pill. She can see my motivation. She is very happy for me. I could kick myself for not changing before it happened!!!!!

Now as each week passes and I have no div. infection I am motivated to never give up!

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Wow, Eliz, you have really turned your health around for the better. Do you realize how rare that is? I much prefer to change my diet and way of eating rather than taking another pill. That is why my husband, Ken, bought me a nice bike. His words were, "We aren't getting any younger... if a good bike will keep you exercising and healthy than that is what we will do." Hmmmmm.... did he have to mention the "younger" part? Lol

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Yes I was Type 2 for about 6 months. Dr wanted to start oral meds. I begged no. I started with her Low Carb diet, then educated myself creating my own, and in 4 months got my A1C down to 5.4!!!! Woo- Hoo!! (plus lost 20 pounds, which I gained 17 back pre-fasting) Then I talked to her about fasting because those darn mini meals were making me pig out. :o( She said go ahead and try since my BS was down. And the Fasting helped me lose the weight. Did not affect my sugar #s at all! I have PCOS which Endo says is automatic pre-diabetic for life? Well I pushed the limits of that and I did develop Type 2. Does that make sense?

If I don't Fast I pig out and I hate that. :o( Even too much LC/HF is not good.
My daughter first noticed I was looking like I felt better, not so tired. Then I noticed that my predictable div. had not returned in 4 months of fasting!! (Now 4 1/2 months). I did just get over a really bad cold, from my MS my immune system is still pleh. I wish fasting cured everything- LOL! But reducing my div. risk is worth its weight in gold!!

My mom does not have div. but because of me she does not eat corn or pop corn. Watching me suffer has scared her.


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I will tell my mom how corn is mentioned as super bad. Maybe she will listen. Maybe...

I'm glad, Eliz, you have found fasting helps. Have you noticed big improvements since starting the fasting? I know you have had weight loss but I'm wondering about regulation of the diabetes? I can't figure out why the low carb diet didn't help with diabetes. My sister does low carb and was pre-diabetic. Sorry to pick your brain so much!

Editing... uh, maybe I misunderstood... and you were full blown diabetic before low carb so the low carb diet helped to get you to a pre-diabetic stage? That would be better! I'm talking in circles...

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oh my!! corn is the worst thing for my div. It is a guarantee I'll get an infection if I eat it!!

My Type 2 came more recently, but my Endocrinologists strict Low Carb diet that I have followed after 2 years; put me back in pre-diabetic mode.

So Phew! I feel like fasting is the frosting on the cake for dodging bullets!




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Adrienne, sorry Troy is going through this too. My brother in law also has diverticulitis/diabetes combo and is only in his late 40s. Too young to have these issues.

Found out last evening my mom was eating blackberries too! The garden gown lettuce and corn on the cob isn't helping but it is summer and the garden is producing. Too hard not to eat fresh produce. She did, however, freeze the blackberries to make a cobbler for her little ladies with whom she plays cards. At least others will help her eat them later in the summer.

My prayer is this fasting is not only healing but also helps to avoid the problems like this... like you said, Eliz. The hospital had you stop eating. (Not a hard thing to do around here as hospital food is not too appealing.) I plan to always fast in some form or another the rest of my life. I really believe it will help me avoid the diseases that seem to run rampant in my family.

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yes it is tricky if you can't give up those darn sweets and carbs.


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This is an interesting thread to read as hubby had diverticulitis and was hopsitalised twice, the second time they removed a portion of the bowel, and he nearly died at 30 years old. He's also diabetic and I feel like I can no get his food right, he also finds though that fasting messes with his sugar levels and leaves him feeling faint. It's really hard to work it out being given information from him though as he wants to continue eating junk so doesn't always tell me the whole picture.

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(((HUGS))) I never thought I'd worry this much about my mom!!

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Oh, Eliz, I understand and my mom does the same. She tells the doctor what she wants and "forgets" to mention important things... like low blood sugar spells where she sees "spots" and bouts of diverticulitis (which are currently more than once per week).

When the hospital does not let you eat... what does that tell us? Fasting is good for the healing process. Thanks for telling your story.



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I know what you mean Tammae. My mom is the same way. My sweet mom is so concerned about what her Dr says she won't try anything new. She's afraid. Her dr has her convinced that her statin will now help keep her from dementia??!! Dr wants her to continue it even tho her cholesterol no longer is high. I'm........not.......so........sure. But I don't argue. :o)

My gastro was pleased. He said if fasting it works by all means do it! I'm sure he's hoping it will make me thinner- OY! It will- but slowly :o)

You can die from divericulitis, I once had an abcess that took 3 days of IV antibiotics in the hospital. ( every hospital stay they never allowed me to eat during any of the 3-8 day stays in case of surgery) We had an Olympic wrestler in MN, a young man in his early 30s die from it. At my worst I was at the ER weekly just to keep going. It is a very serious thing.

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Eliz, your news is wonderful. I so glad the fasting seems to help your situation. What else could it be? Your gastro is going to "wonder" about your lifestyle changes!

My mom is not going to understand fasting... I'm afraid. Sometimes elderly people do not eat enough anyway... and she is bad about that living alone. She rarely cooks. She does go out every Wednesday to play cards and her group goes to a restaurant. When I am around her I notice more often she has low blood sugar spells. She also takes a lax every day (and has since her teens).

Thanks again for getting this topic started. I feel like I have a much better understanding. I know my mother's health is failing and I also see it in her memory. I don't mean to complain! It is just a frustrating situation... she is still very independent. I just wish I lived closer. Thanks again for your comments. : )

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I wanted to add-

eating HF and LC did not help my diverticulitis or make it any worse. There was no difference from eating a LC/HF diet.

Only fasting the last 4 months has "changed" something. And I have not had an infection during fasting, I don't even feel like I'm getting an infection. I like to think when I fast my colon is healing. :o)

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Oh Tammae, I'm praying for your poor precious mom.
I think "fasting" the 16 hours gives my colon rest. I had no idea that it would respond so positively to the fasting.I hear you with the high fiber-low fiber Dr advice. They really don't know what to tell us. I also have pelvic floor dysfunction and can only go using laxatives 2 x a week. (miralax with 4 stool soft tablets)

I had infections every 2- 4 months. Since March when I started fasting I have not had 1 infection. And I have no symptoms at all. This is a really long time for me not to have an infection. I do "feel" better. I have more energy. I get very tired before I realize that I have an infection.

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I am so glad you shared your experience, Eliz. My mother has had this for years and lately (she is 80) it is getting worse. I worry myself sick for her. She lives 300 miles away on our farm alone. We own the farm and house but are letting her live there as long as she chooses.

I call mom every day. Yesterday she was sick with the diverticulitis for over two hours... sweated through her clothing... laying around most of the day. This happens more often than not. She pretends it isn't so bad... but I know it really is terrible.

She had my sister-in-law help her plant a garden this year (of all things... mom doesn't eat enough for a huge garden) and has been eating wilted lettuce every day. Every day! She is trying, I'm sure, to prove to my siblings she can still do things like gardening and live alone. I try to explain how she needs to eat lower carb foods and less roughage.

The diabetes doctor says... more fiber. The diverticulitis doctor (if she even tells him her problem) says no nuts and less fiber. There is no in between. Either the sugar is up/low or the dang diverticulitis is active. One thing is for sure... she said last night that was the last time she was eating lettuce... for a while. Geeeee!

My question of you Eliz... if you don't mind... was it a test or symptoms that helped you know you were "infection free"?

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Very interesting and I'm happy you've found something that works for you! The benefits of fasting seem endless.

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I have battled this since I was in my late 20s. I'd always been told to eat mini meals throught the day, no seeds, nuts etc and to watch what aggravated it for me. He said lots of min meals would keep it healthy and keep it moving.

5 years ago I lost over half my colon with no hopes of keeping the rest which was not expected to last much longer.

I started Int. Fasting last March. I fooled around with it a lot and by no means do I do it perfectly. My favorite is the daily 8:16.

THIS has helped my colon. Every fast has helped my colon. My colon needed rest, not food.

I have great hopes now of keeping the rest of my colon healthy enough to last my lifetime.

Thank God I found IF!!

It even helped my Type 2 MORE than the mini meals. My endocrinologist said yes it helps some people with Type 2, Thank God it helps me!

Just wanted to share in case you suffer these as well. I asked the endo if I could IF but I did not tell my gastro. My gastro is well pleased that I have been infection free! So he says continue on!

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