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2/3/14 4:49 P

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I'd say you are right. I'm ready for spring training. What will be will be.

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2/3/14 4:42 P

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Have you looked outside at the nasty weather?

Some would blame Angelos for that too.

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All I can say is "Opening Day is coming closer and closer!!! emoticon
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1/23/14 8:46 A

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I agree you cant buy a team. I was a little upset with Brian Roberts going to the yankees only because its the yankees. But he still wants to play so good for him. But that being doesnt mean he will be on a World Series team. Look at Mike Mussina he did not get that ring for all the money they gave him. Should have stayed with the O's. My bottom line is I will still root for them not matter what.

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1/23/14 8:27 A

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Increasingly I am alone in defending the philosophy of Orioles management. Free agents simply are overpriced and are not worth it, Moneyball speaking.

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1/23/14 7:52 A

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So whats going happen the rest of the off season? I would like to see them get a few more players. But the bottom line is I will be watching listening and going yo the games no matter what. What good does it do to fuss about the owner he still owns them.

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1/1/14 3:39 P

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Ill be ready. Lets go O's

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1/1/14 7:18 A

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Pitchers and catchers report in about 45.

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1/1/14 7:12 A

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Reading the vent board they are still blaming him. Waiting to see what happens. No matter what I will be watching and going This year. How many more days till spring training?

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8/2/13 10:52 A

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Today's Baltimore Sun contains an article on just this point, including my multi-paragraph comment

articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-01
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This is the first time I read this discussion thread. I learned a lot from everyone. Yes, I did blame Angelos for 1998 through 2011. But now I can say that I was being unreasonable.

I also enjoyed the article on the link that Bossi shared. I especially liked the article about Dan Duquette.

As for now, I agree that the Orioles have some major talented players. I think the team will eventually reach their goal of winning a World Series.

Regardless, I can't imagine being a fan of any team but the Orioles
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7/23/13 7:52 A

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I'm thinking of the future. We have an awesome team and I hope some new kids to follow but it would be good to have a few more all I'm saying.

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We'll have to agree to disagree on this Tim. As you already knew.

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7/23/13 12:41 A

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His wallet may be open but sometimes he has done disastrously stupid things: Joey Bell (he wanted to go by Albert and hated Joey), Fernando Valenzuela (1993), Sammy Sosa (2005).

So yeah, signing a big name for the sake of signing a big name is bad. But going out and getting some talented players on the market might be nice. Shore up the 28th best starting pitching staff. Get a reliable .300 hitter. or two! (if Davis finishes with .300 it will be the first time. And Machado is still too new to fit my bill)

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7/22/13 8:29 A

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1. His wallet is never not-open. During the depths of the losing seasons, and only at the recommendation of the baseball people around him, he refrained from signing front-line free agents (Tejada was the exception) because no one player would put us over the hump. Things were too awful, throughout the organization.

2. The team seems highly competitive as is, and is built for longevity as-is. Why do you feel he "needs" to open his wallet, this winter. The on-field performance would suggest the need is less, not greater.

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7/22/13 8:07 A

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Thanks for posting this it makes one think. To answer your question I dont think Angleos has anything to do with it. But I do think they are going to need to open the pocket book this winter.

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7/14/13 8:56 A

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Is that what Hirschbeck called Alomar? I do not remember it being covered in the press, and I always wondered.

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I seem to remember Alomar was too long at a funeral in PR(?) and that pist off Angelos. And if the Charity issue with the spouse was the Alomars, then that would have been what lit the fuse.

But Alomar was another unreliable player in my view. He would play somewhere about three years and get bored or something. His numbers would be great at the start then tail off. Then he would moved and do it again. Five years with the Blue Jays. And by tailing off, I don't mean he turned bad, just less great.

He was popular with the fans as he was a perennial All-Star. And his performance overall was great enough to get him to the Hall of Fame. It was just that pattern he seemed to follow.

Then there was the whole affair of spitting on the umpire. I am not sure I blame him for being incensed at the umpire for calling him an epithet for homosexual, as was reported, but WoW, spitting on him?

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Tim, you are correct on technicality and I stand corrected. No matter, casual fans and even knowledgeable ones vilify Angelos for Johnson and Miller no longer being here after that brief period. And was there not something about Johnson, Angelos and a charitable concern in which one of thir wives or daughters was involved? Or was that Alomar?...

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7/13/13 11:05 P

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"Many alleged O's fans I know never forgave him for firing Davey Johnson, ..."

Davey Johnson was not fired. Let's all remember what happened that season, 1997.

The Orioles were on track to go wire to wire in first place in the East. Around late June, Cito Gaton was fired by Toronto. Just before Al-Star Break, Johnson started mouthing off about how if he didn't win the World Series, Angelos was going to fire him. Angelos rarely commented but when he did, he would remind reporters that he had a contract with Johnson through 1998 that he intended to honor.

I became of the opinion that Dave Johnson was angling for the Toronto job. It was not a secret that he did not like Angelos. When the season ended, without World Series title for the Orioles, Johnson once again began the talk that he was going to be fired. But he also began to demand that Angelos begin work on a contract extension. I forget exactly what Johnson told the media he wanted but it was something on the order of a three year extension and at $2M per year from 1998-2001.

Angelos refused to play along. Every time Johnson would start up with "renegotiate or let me go" talk, Angelos would respond that he had a contract with Johnson through 1998 which he intended to honor and expect that a gentleman like Johnson would also honor.

Finally, Johnson announced that if Angelos wouldn't negotiate, he was going to quit. Angelos responded by saying that Johnson was free to do as he wished, but he (Angelos) wished he'd stay with the Orioles and fulfill the rest of his contract at least.

Johnson quit.
Johnson quit.
Johnson quit.

After he quit, he applied for the Toronto job, which as I said was his goal anyway ... get fired, collect the rest of his Orioles contract and get paid by Toronto.

I think Toronto saw his actions as dishonorable and passed on him hiring Tim Johnson instead.

Johnson sat out the next two seasons with no contract and no offers.

Jon Miller's story was a little different. He finished his contract and went with another offer because he didn't want to be a homer. He also wasn't fired, but at least he completed his contract and moved along. Besides his true love was San Fracisco and that was where he landed. Also, the Orioles did not like his more and more frequent absences to work for ESPN.

The loss of Mussina the same year that Miller walked was one thing I did blame Angelos for. What tipped Mussina over to the Yankees was some good old fashioned recruitment. Steinbrenner and Torre took him to dinner and offered him more money than the Orioles were willing to.

On the other hand, Mussina was never one who could close the deal so to speak. How many times did he take a no hitter into the ninth with nothing to show for it? How many time did he have 19 wins on the first of September? and the only time he won twenty was in his last season. If Mussina gets to the Hall of Fame before Jamie Moyer (20 wins three times, one no hitter, one World Series ring) I will be disappointed. Not surprised because being a Yankee adds 5-10% to your vote percentage, but disappointed.

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7/13/13 12:10 P

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Disclaimer: I don't follow our teams as much as I'd like to but I was raised in the Baltimore area so I will always be a Baltimore fan no matter what. That said I think this year our players have a different mentality. I remember when the Ravens went to the Super Bowl a lot of people I know had their doubts of a win. I was like no this is Baltimore's year, we have to do it. I think the Orioles are finally there too. We have players that are not only talented (so i'm guessing) but also mentality there and wanting this for everyone.

Mind you those in my family that follow every move our teams make don't like Angelos.

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Did you blame Angelos for Orioles' misfortunes 1998-2011? A little? Perhaps with every fiber of your being?

Many alleged O's fans I know never forgave him for firing Davey Johnson, letting Jon Miller leave as broadcaster because of insufficient homerism, blocking certain mid 90s trades proposed by then-management (Palmeiro and Alomar for Jeter and Soriano being the most infamous), signing Albert Belle in a media-whipped panicked frenzy, and hiring Syd Thrift.

Notwithstanding that ALL of those misdeeds occured over about a 2-year window, they did both bankrupt the franchise ("Players won't sign here. It's like we have confederate money." - Syd Thrift) and tarnished Angelos perhaps forevermore with the fandom.

As a lifelong Orioles fan, I had the choice to sit on the sidelines and pout over a desire for a time machine (or a new owner), or to remain a fan the make the most of the situation. By about 2004 or 2005, I became convinced that Angelos no longer was unduly meddlesome and that he was like any other owner (a non-baseball guy with both a financial and emotional desire to win, and more money daily than I will make in a lifetime).

Today an article about all of this was published:

www.thelosscolumn.com/

Question: do you credit Angelos for the team's recent successes or is the local baseball villain for ever and ever, amen?

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