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12/29/11 8:09 P

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I am mostly surrounded in my small rural town. Luckily I have a good group of women friends who are not that way.

Sometimes I wonder if especially in times like this with the economy so scary people need something to lean on even more.



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12/21/11 6:54 P

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*LIKE*

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12/21/11 1:47 P

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I wish SP had a "like" button for posts....

Can I just put in here a big, fat "LIKE" to all of the posts below!

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12/5/11 10:29 P

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STORMY, I really enjoy the link you posted. Thanks! I think prayer and other meditation is private and of value only to those who believe in it. Those whose automatic response to hearing of our troubles is "I'll pray for you", make me wonder if it's their way of saying, "I don't want to be involved." There ARE some close friends who both pray and help. To them, I just say, "Thank you".

SP looks to be well-stocked with religion-pushers all year long, as I see it. December may cause an uptick. The state of the economy or the political rhetoric of certain groups could also be building fires under those who are religious "for show".


As a team, we have developed a refreshing practice of promising to NOT pray for one another, no matter how deep the do-do gets.
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We believe in our power to stand on our own two feet and take responsibility for mistakes and credit for successes. We DO appreciate the empowerment that we get from our friends here who "get" us. For me, knowing that someone believes i can do "a given thing" gives me strength.





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12/5/11 12:35 A

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The only prayer closet I know of was in the movie "Carrie". Very creepy.

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12/4/11 11:24 P

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I can never come up with a retort to "I'll pray for you" either.
And, you're right, the "religious" responses are often ineffectual.
I work with someone, and the rest of us see the possibility to change some things, but she won't help because, "I just leave things in God's hands and see what happens."

You may or may not believe this one, but one woman's suggestion to another SP team member's problem was: "Get into your Prayer Closet and pray for a couple of hours."
Prayer Closet??? Are there such things?
(If there are, they're not here in NYC where any type of living space is at a premium, so I'm definitely ignorant about this.)

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It seems to me, too, that on SP there are more than the average number of people who feel the need to proselytise. I was on a message board a few months ago. The question was, "What are you reading?" But one person added 40 comments in one day. (And I looked back to previous days ---and found more than I could count.) Not one comment had a response to the question, no response at all, just the person's signature that included the same Bible verse over and over. First of all, I think it is abusing the rules of SP to add 40 comments to one message in a day, but besides that, the purpose seemed to be to proselytise. It was the only time I have ever reported inappropriate behavior. I checked back a few days later and she was still doing it. I know it might take a few days for the SP people to check into such behavior. Then I went on vacation and forgot to check to see if she was still at it when I returned a month later.

I've never come up with a good response to someone who says they will pray for me. I have occasionally said, "Don't bother. It won't do any good." While I am serious, they think it's a joke. Here is a good blog post about that issue: atheism.about.com/od/atheismatheists
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eism/a/Objecting-to-Christian-PrayerR>s.htm

The blogger wrote (among other things):
"Both engaging in prayers and announcing that 'I'll pray for you' only serve as a weak substitute for real action that would provide real assistance. "

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11/28/11 5:44 P

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I, too, have noticed this. I find that joining teams that have goals (The Biggest Loser, The 5% Challenge, for example) are helpful for me because I am competitive and I like the small-group focus of weight-ins and accountability.

But....these groups often have several members who are losing weight for Jesus, or losing weight with Jesus, or whatever it is....

Spark People has trained me a bit to be tolerant but at heart I am still the same screaming secular humanist. What in the world do I say when people say that they pray for me and my family? Well, I've been ignoring it.

Most people here are from the USA. I've read that only 1.6 of us are atheists and about 3% are agnostics. That leaves a whopping percentage who are religiously inclined.



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I've noticed the increase too....I usually read what people have to say though simply because I'm curious and it sometimes gives me a chuckle. :) Sometimes if I'm in a certain mood I have to just walk away because it messes with my head.

I would LOVE to read that book by Penn. I'm a big fan of his vlogs. He's right too....christians are taught that they MUST share their faith with others. It's brainwash in my opinion though. I can remember as a kid (I was raised southern baptist) having to watch skits by the youth group and at church camp about what I'm going to say to all my unsaved friends after we die. How am I going to respond to them when we're both at the "gates" and my friend has to go to hell and I get to go to heaven.....to a kid that is pretty serious stuff. Then you become an adult and if you've never been taught to think for yourself and you are never given the opportunity to question it or break loose of the ties to your christian family and friends, well, it's just really hard to break free of those beliefs. My family really struggles with my decisions because they genuinely believe I am going to hell and it breaks their hearts to think they'll be separated from me for eternity.

All that said....I want to say a big thank you to everybody on this team. I'm usually just a lurker but there have been MANY times where I've come here and found inspiration to keep moving and to stay outta the fridge. :)

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11/1/11 11:19 A

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Thanks everyone!!! emoticon

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11/1/11 6:40 A

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I'm reading Penn Gillette's new book "God, No" which is hysterically funny and full of great nonbeliever wisdom.

In his opinion, if a person truly believes in God, JC, salvation, and all that, she ought to be preaching because she ought to feel a strong obligation to save everyone. He analogizes it to seeing a person standing on a railroad track with a train coming and yelling "hey, there's a train coming get off that track!" A preachy Christian, if he truly believes that his way is the only way to heaven and people who don't follow his way are on track for eternal damnation, has a moral obligation to tell people about it so that everyone goes to heaven and not hell.

Gave me a whole new perspective on the preachy people.

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10/31/11 9:11 P

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To be fair, there is one team where most of the people are involved in church activities (they're definitely not from NYC, where I am), but they know that I'm not, so they're very polite about it and don't go on and on. It's just part of their normal, daily lives and they don't push it on me. In fact, they offered me a co-leader spot, and I took it -- really nice people.

HOWEVER, there is another team that has great health info and a nice leader, but also several bible thumpers (change "thumpers" to "BANGERS") mixed in with the rest -- one of them writes daily Jesus blogs with ranting, run-on sentences that can be a paragraph long.
I'm not one to keep my mouth shut about things like this (I'm from NYC, did I mention that -- yeah), but I bite my tongue because I don't want to start trouble -- which I did inadvertently last year when something I posted got strangely misinterpreted as me forbidding Christmas Carols (don't ask me how that happened -- they're demented).
It took the team leader and several members to get the Bangers to calm down and see that they'd made a mistake.

I try to ignore the religion as much as possible -- when it's possible.

Edited by: KURTORTOISE at: 10/31/2011 (21:13)
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10/31/11 6:19 P

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If I click on one of those people/blogs, I just move on. There are enough people that don't put religion out there, and I encourage them by leaving them goodies or comments. They never know though, it's really all me doing my own private reward system :-)

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10/31/11 4:54 P

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oh yeah, it gets really crazy out there! I can avoid treads by certain people when I see their pic because they feel the need for a daily bible verse or lesson. But certainly can't escape all of it. emoticon

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~ Eric Clapton ~

"Atheism is a non-prophet
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“When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.”
~Jimi Hendrix~

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."
~John Lennon~

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10/31/11 3:45 P

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Has anyone noticed a sudden increase in the religious preaching on SP lately, or is it just me? Maybe I'm clicking on just the wrong blogs or something. I feel like today, I clicked on so many blogs that contained bible verses or pictures of Jesus.

I'm not getting down on people who benefit from combining their healthy journey with their religious actions. I just feel like I need to log off from Spark because I can't get away from it lately on here.

I might just need to stick with my current spark friends and teams like this one for a bit. I need to avoid the general message boards.

Thank you for letting me vent!

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