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9/24/11 9:29 P

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I'm with you Btvmads. I've been a vegetarian for 20 years now and think Peta's a joke at the best. Their latest gag is starting a porn site.

There are plenty of organizations out there helping animals. Peta simply isn't one of them.

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9/23/11 8:23 A

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Okay. Have fun. I'll be sure to get all outraged now, because after all, The Internet Is Serious Business.

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9/23/11 3:30 A

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LOL, it must be hard for you going through life looking for things to get infuriated about. Have a look for example at the campaign against use of animals in testing by the makers of Nestea: www.nesteacrueltea.com/
Enraged? I doubt it. The dull reality is that 99% of PETA's campaigning is similarly dull, old-fashioned, fill the envelopes, work the phones, aggregate the email stuff. 1% rubs someone up the wrong way and the race is on to see how much umbrage can be taken while deriding the organisation and its many effective and humane interventions.

All I can say is thank you for inspiring me to join PETA, which I did this week. I suppose you are welcome to found People for the Unethical Treatment of Animals (PUTA) and do it your way.

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9/17/11 8:36 A

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You asked what about PETA's messages I found insulting, so here you go:
http://www.treehugger.com/peta-save-whal
es-billboard.jpg
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/200
8/05/05/petas-holocaust-on-your-plate-
campaign/
http://www.disaboomlive.com/blogs/disabl
ed_politico/archive/2008/10/06/peta-la
unches-ad-campaign-claiming-milk-cause
s-autism.aspx
http://www.msmagazine.com/aug00/images/p
eta_ad.jpg
http://www.mediapeta.com/petauk/Images/p
age/600-bonnie-jill-laflin-veg.jpg
http://www.bilerico.com/2010/03/top_10_o
ffensive_peta_ads.php


I'm not even going to bother getting into a debate about the health benefits/detriments of veganism, as we would both be wasting our breath. But you wanted to know why I find PeTA to be insulting and generally screwed up, so there it is.

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- That medical testing on animals is valid for humans has been challenged for decades. Leading (and scrupulous) medical schools and research institutions either no longer bother or are actively seeking alternatives. Useful summary at the Stanford Uni site: med.stanford.edu/compmed/animal_care
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As an example, consider that The National Institutes of Health have reported that more than 80 HIV/AIDS vaccines that have passed animal testing have failed in human clinical trials. As the associate editor of the British Medical Journal stated, “When it comes to testing HIV vaccines, only humans will do." So why test on animals when it doesn't work?
- Having a dog is not compulsory. Keeping one animal alive - a dog - while killing dozens to feed it and feeling no compassion for them seems far more hypocritical to me than anything PETA does or says. A wild dog kills to feed itself and that's the way nature is. A human kills cows/sheep (indirectly) to feed a dog so his child has a plaything. I don't feel it's comparable at all. In the US 6 to 8 million domestic animals are abandoned every year...because 'our culture' says that animals are for us to exploit. Before I get flamed by every dog owner from here to Woofville let me state I am NOT implying all dog owners are cruel. My point is that there are certain assumptions 'built in' to the roles that animals typically have in our society. Part of PETA's work, as I understand it, is to shed light on those assumptions so that they can be discussed. As we are doing here. If better animal treatment comes as a result of such considerations and awareness - a hope which we may share - would you be against that?
- There are lots of reasons for being vegan. These include health and wellbeing, (home) economics, social justice, sustainable use of the earth's resources and allowing enough living space on this planet for other species to co-exist with. I can't see why a reasonable person would feel threatened by these motives or find them 'insulting'. For the record PETA do lobby for more humane farming practices, as do animal welfare groups in other countries. See for example Animals Australia's campaign for proper nourishment of bobby cows: animalsaustralia.org/take_action/bob
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9/16/11 9:36 P

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I think PETA's full of crap because they're a bunch of hypocrites who think that it's okay to take advantage of the many medicines and medical procedures that are possible because of animal testing while rallying against it. And anyone who thinks they're doing the world a favor by feeding their dog vegetarian food is probably misunderstanding the point.

The way I see it, PETA members will not change the horrors of our screwed up animal farming system by going vegan, pulling batsh1t crazy stunts, or saying that the suffering of lab rats and poultry is equal to that of Jews during the holocaust. That will do nothing to change the behavior of anyone who wants to eat meat, use insulin guilt-free, or simply not be insulted by propaganda. They should be encouraging humane, sustainable farming methods that subvert corporate methods and build a stronger local economy -- THAT'S what will really change the system.

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9/15/11 2:29 P

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I had a strong feeling that some group or organization was behind this attack on PETA to discredit them. The information is being presented in a biased way to make PETA look like heartless killers & hypocrites. Thanks for the name.

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9/14/11 12:44 P

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PETA is an animal rights defender.The petakillsanimals site is a propaganda exercise run by the Center for Consumer Freedom, a lobby group backed by tobacco company Phillip Morris (who test on animals) and large restaurant chains (who profit from the factory farming and exploitation on a massive scale).

PETA's position on euthanasia of animals is clearly spelled out here: .www.peta.org/issues/companion-anima
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It's quite an enlightening - and sad - page.

Please not I am not a member nor a financial contributor to PETA either currently or previously. By all means you are entitled to your opinions but if you insist on saying that black is white and that white is black, well, I call fie on those particular hobgoblins.

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I've know about this for years emoticon

PETA is one of the biggest animal rights violators out there. Penn and Teller did an episode of Bull$hyt on it a few years ago. www.imdb.com/title/tt0672535/



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The stunts are necessary. Read Dan Matthews biography - I think it's called 'Committed' - and you'll get a better idea of how the stunts, street actions, public campaigns and so on provide a focus for the work the organisation does. They are not meant to trivialise animal welfare and personally I don't conclude that they do. Let's say you were starting a fashion design business tomorrow. Would you consider making garments out of fur? You might, but you'd be certainly be aware of the kind of response you'd be likely to get. That's the PETA effect.

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9/13/11 9:41 P

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Even if peta only puts down animals who are medically beyond recovery....they still make a big joke of animal rights efforts through all the stupid publicity stunts and that should infuriate people who care about animals too.

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This is why I'm so careful to only donate money to 'no kill' shelters/operations. Best Friends is my favorite animal charity (look them up - become a member - you'll be glad you did!). I know they're keeping the animals on their lovely ranch if a forever home can't be found, even the most difficult cases. It's such hard work in so many ways that I know I couldn't handle it emotionally so I give as much as I can financially. I've also found local 'no kill' shelters where I live. Research is required in these situations. Sadly, I'm not surprised by the PETA info. It does make me angry, though. Animals seem to get the short end of the stick most of the time.

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9/12/11 11:49 P

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Euthanasia was a really heart-warming experience when my Nurphy got old and sick. She was cramping terribly and I was holding her and could feel an immediate relaxation go through her, as soon as the shot was given.

I found myself wishing for the same thing for me, when the time is right. I don't think we get to do that with humans, though. There are problems with "who gets to pick the time". My daughter teases that she might decide my quality of life warranted such a shot, if I were to get on her nerves too much.
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EDIT: Oh! I forgot to say Nurphy was a cat, not a person.

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It's real sad Boo. Their rate is so high because of the type of program. Sorry to lay those images on everyone, but it needs to be seen to really understand that these PETA people take in the dying and/or suffering innocent sweet animals that most likely are going to be put to sleep in a frightening way after suffering on a cold kennel floor for a couple of weeks. I'm glad that there are people willing to give these sweeties some loving arms to hold them as they end a life of suffering with some dignity and gentleness if they aren't able to recover. Their euthanasia rate is high because of the type of program it is. We adopt rescue dogs, so I had to research what PETA was doing. I'm all for this humane program and wish that there wasn't a need for them.


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www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/
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These are the animals that get put to sleep.

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Overall the organisation does more harm than good so I am happy to support them. I believe they have played an important role in raising awareness of rights issues, and I also accept that the operation of any organisation has room for improvement. By all means send them your feedback.

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5/24/11 3:13 P

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I know that PETA actions are a bit different in Europe. And also being half-naked to fight against bullfight in Spain or in France doesn't shock much.


I agree with you on the side show act, and unfortunately the aim of many big organizations is mostly to raise money. Take Greenpeace for instance, they lost their "faith" in the name of profits.
If you really investigate on any organizations, you dig up dirt (WWF and their cute panda is a distressing example; the organizartion was set up to launder the arpartheid money from South Africa.)

(I'm a vegetarian, green activist of more than 2 decades, but not naive. Environmental issues are now trendy, and have become a business.)

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From what I've read it seems to be more than just the actions of two individuals. I did some digging today because the site I posted was not without it's own bias... and I just feel sick.

This shelter has up to a 97% kill rate a year. That's far from just 2 individuals. How could two individuals kill almost every single animal they "rescue" with no one noticing?

This is what Daphna Nachminovitch, Vice President of PETA's Cruelty Investigations Department, had to say about their Virginia shelter.

"PETA does not maintain an animal shelter. PETA has a couple -- we call them 'quarantine rooms' -- which are used to house animals that are held for one reason or another. And animals who are, who have a chance for adoption, are usually fostered in private homes. We do not have a public facility that's open to the public where people can stroll through and pick an animal. That's not a service that we are able to provide. We're an office building."

Yet they're picking up animals claiming to be running a shelter and filing taxes as a shelter.

I agree... it's sad and disgusting. I've been an ethical vegetarian for 20 years. In North America, PETA is seen more as a side show act than an animal right's group. They're the people dancing around naked and wanting to rename fish as "sea kittens". There is so much they could be doing.

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I'm a member of PETA (Europe), I know that PETA US is badly thought in the US. It seems just the perfect story to discredit this and any organization acting in favor of animals.

I'm afraid that these two individuals in Viriginia (as it seems that the trial is about 2 persons) would damage the whole action in favor of animals, because of their actions and if proven guilty.

Sad and disgusting on so many levels.

(Erased "not" in "is badly thought" as I was saying the oppposite of what I wanted to say)

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Very enlightening. I hadn't known anything about this.

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People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA)

That name may need revision, right?


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I was on another website this evening and found this link: petakillsanimals.com/ I clicked on it and was shocked as hell!!! The top article discusses PETA's animal shelter and the horrendous kill rate there. Last year had a 93% kill rate and I think the year before that was 97%! One of the articles talked about how they were bringing euthanasia kits with them in their van, picking up surrendered pets at people's homes and putting them to sleep in the van before even leaving their driveways!!!

I'm sharing this on Facebook and in a couple of Teams here. Please share as well. It infuriates me that they're bleating on about renaming fish "sea kittens" to save the fish (which does nothing to *save* fish anyway) while killing just about every single kitten they get their hands on!

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