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8/25/10 9:09 A

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This may sound strange, but buy yourself some soothing aromatherapy massage oils and give yourself a really good foot massage. Extra points if you turn down the lights and light a few candles.

It's a little trick I learned from an old mentor of mine, and it's one of the most soothing and centering things in the world. You may feel a bit strange at first if you're not used to it, but I swear it works. In fact, I don't do it enough.

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5/27/10 8:37 A

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I'm compiling all this and others into a giant list. Hopefully I'll get it up tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks for a good conversation.

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Beautiful, MARE.

Clearly, we have other passions to indulge (it doesn't always have to be the food indulgences that give us joy, food that is pleasing for such a brief time before we wish we hadn't given in to it).

Thinking about the times when we've been the happiest and what we were doing during those times is a good starting place for finding personal non-food nourishers.

Freedom has often been nourishment for me, too, CASSIE.

Maybe that's why music, dance, and walks in the fresh air to sort out my thoughts have often provided a respite from responsibilities . (Before I retired, and when I was raising children, the stress would make me want to escape). Food was the path of least resistance. The other choices would have served me better, I think. The music, dance, walks, etc wouldn't have kept me fat.

Nowadays, like MAYA, I usually look for things I LIKE to do as alternatives to looking for comfort, love, relief from anger or whatever other emotion, I have habitually found in overeating.

There ARE times, though, when something I DON'T LIKE (until I get started) will nourish me. If I've been brooding over some project that's hanging over my head, I'll just go START on it. The relief washes over me as I see progress. If it's something like laundry or cleaning a desk or drawer, turning on some music in the background makes it very pleasant.

Sometimes I think I do well if I just do something specific to alleviate what's eating ME, instead of reaching for what I can eat. Anyone else feel like that?

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5/26/10 9:18 P

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Oh Mare, that is just the best.

The freedom and liberation in your dance is truly nourishing.


�The more we witness our emotional reactions and understand how they work, the easier it is to refrain.� ― Pema Ch�dr�n



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There are times that my funk seems bottomless, and that I'll be here at my computer for the rest of my life, having nobody and nothing in it... yeah, those days. One of my favorite ways.... is to do the 'fake it till you make it' stuff. I remember, think about what I do on the days that I glow with happiness, and try to go do them. One of my favorites is to put on my Ipod and go dance around a 4 mile trail. I do outrageous steps, and bounce, and try to skip, and make wild arm movements, and dang, that one always works for me. I do this on a VERY public trail, and watching the responses to my actions is part of what makes it all work for me.
Course... that's what works for me. The key is- to look back at what makes you happiest.
Oh, and painting,and making, and building, and scrapping things from the free pile, and going thrift store shopping, and going to the free hot tub, and sitting on the beach, and walking my neighbors dog---- but dancing, yes, dancing, is my all holds barred, I'm gonna get out of this funk move. I may be alone, I may have no partner these days, I may spend hours and hours and hours with no one else- but I can reach out and taste the joy when I need it.
Breathe.

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5/24/10 7:10 P

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Here are some I thought of:
*Meditate. I'm TRYING to do this. Not successful yet, but I bought a book and am working on it.
*Yoga. Same as above, except I tried a class and am hoping to remember the very best positions for use at home. Also yoga on the Wii (there are DVDs too).
*New York Times crossword puzzle. Love it on Monday. Can't finish it by Sunday.
*Look at the sky OR the stars. (Could combine with meditation).

I must be in a zen mood... emoticon .

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5/24/10 6:57 P

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I'm really appreciating this conversation and your collective input. This is really challenging for me.

The funk does pass as does the urge. I really don't like that feeling of being driven to food. I would strongly prefer at this point to choose food than be driven to it. Mostly these days I am able to choose. And I recognized that the drive was coming from the funk.

I wound up heading for a warm bath with bath salts. Something I haven't done in ages.

And Maya I like the idea of retraining the signal to mean something other than become a bottomless pit for food.

Building a list... I like a lot of your ideas. Please feel free to continue to add to my list. I really do need a whole arsenal.

1. bath
2. cup of tea
3. music
4. work on chain making
5. flowers around
6. rent a red box movie
7. walk around the block (though I'm not sure about this one)
8. phone a friend (I don't do this enough)
9. do 10 minutes of stretching
10. Buy some nice moisturizer and use it
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5/24/10 4:25 P

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Rina, here's the thing that is key for me. I need to use something I absolutely LOVE as non-food nourishment.

It simply doesn't work for me to say, "Oh, I'd better go clean the bath-tub now to distract myself from eating". :)

On the other hand, I find that if I use the "I'm not hungry but I wanna eat NOW" feeling as a cue to find something to do that I LOVE to do, then it's a very much easier sell to my brain and body.

For the past few weeks, I've been using flowers. Fresh flowers on my desk - I bring them in Monday morning and though they look a little sad by Friday, I still have a fabulous, heavenly smelling, instantly-uplifting SOMETHING within my visual range that says "Maya, I LOVE YOU!" without needing to turn to food.

Does it work 100% of the time? NO. But it works *enough* of the time that my brain and body are slowly getting used to the idea of "hey, I love me and I can show it without necessarily indulging in high-fat, yummy, instant gratification - there is a lot of OTHER instant gratification available".

Other things that work for me: a new outfit (that gets expensive, obviously, so I don't do that too often), music, a book, an email or phone call to a dear friend, a walk, dancing, making silly faces (yes, I actually DO this one!), yoga, and a WHOLE BUNCH of other things. The MORE things you can put on an "I love to do" list, the more your brain will get used to having options other than food when that restless feeling creeps up.

Try it. If you don't feel the first attempt works, try something else - you are totally worth the experiment! :)

Hugs,
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5/24/10 11:42 A

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Hope you're feeling a bit less "funky" today. I appeciate the advice I just read from others here, and really have nothing more to add. My best motivator/distractor/non-food nourishment is the warm bath with a book, like Boo & Char shared. Especially since the munchies usually hit me at night.

We're here for you! Let us know how you're doing.

Jazzie

Edited by: JAZZIEGIRL05 at: 5/24/2010 (11:43)
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5/24/10 7:52 A

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Non food nourishment...the first thing that comes to mind for me is a NAP!!! :) I love to sleep, and a nap is a real treat that helps me feel better (assuming I don't take a marathon nap).

Or maybe a bubble bath? A good cup of coffee and a new book? Massage? Shopping?

It doesn't matter how slowly you go, only that you don't stop.

If today were perfect, there would be no need for tomorrow.

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Making something with my hands always seems to help me. Whether it's something complex that needs me to focus and block out whatever is bothering me (painting) or something simple and repetitive (rosary making) that lets my mind work in the background, it's rewarding to me. If I can give what I make to someone else or spend the day with memories making a scrapbook project I can share, that seems to help too.

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Thanks, JANENE! I love this team. Wonderful people.

Thanks for the link, CASSIE. I want to go back and read it in depth, but what I saw looked to be very useful information to help us find sensory and emotional nourishers to distract us from using food for things other than actual hunger.

Here's a link to Coach Dean's article about taming our emotional beast. It's part of his "Mind Over Body" Series that helps me in a different way every time I read it.

Number 2 of the 3 strategies he suggests using when the beast is awake deals with non-food nourishers.

www.sparkpeople.com/resource/wellnes
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BTW, RINA, if you decided we were all full of it and chose to go out for Chinese food, you have nothing to feel bad about, since you are entitled to make your own choices and eat whatever you want, out in the light of day. This is a no-guilt zone.
We're just here to help you think through your options.
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5/23/10 10:13 P

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I worked with a nutritionist from integrative nutrition and she shared this info. Quite interesting.


�The more we witness our emotional reactions and understand how they work, the easier it is to refrain.� ― Pema Ch�dr�n



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Hey, Reignwater, Thanks for your comment on my page. It's funny you would say Tahiti. I get so sick on cruises and flights. I'm not a good traveler. I'm just an old farm girl who like staying at home. Hope you have a fine evening. You made me smile.
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"Be kinder than necessary 'cause everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle."
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5/23/10 8:27 P

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Phoning a friend when we're lonely is a wonderful suggestion, JANENE. It's one I haven't tried because I just didn't think of it. But it WOULD make me feel good. I'm sure I'll get a chance to use the idea one of these days.
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5/23/10 8:07 P

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I'm pretty new to this team, but I've been reading posts and blogs for a while now.

Sorry to hear you are struggling today. When I read your post, I thought of having tea with a close friend and chatting about "things." It's usually loneliness I'm experiencing and maybe anger. Maybe a phone call to someone you haven't talked with in a while could help you on your way. I'm not Tahiti, but you have a friend in NE Ohio.

I know you'll find your way through this.

Janene

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5/23/10 8:05 P

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I'm sorry you're having a difficult time this evening, RINA. I'm certain you're not the only one who feels frustrated about this subject.

Finding activities where we can get the same comfort or other kind of payoff that we get from overeating is difficult and it takes time.

I've fought it for years and been in many a funk. I've made some progress in the last few months by consciously looking for and trying to do other things that make me feel good, just as soon as I start thinking about something like the Chinese food or the chocolate that you mention.

(If all you want is a small amount that can fit into your calorie budget for today, you could always choose to put it on your tracker and have it. However, since you mention "funk", I'm thinking, you want to eat LOTS of it.)

It really doesn't matter what the food is, we have learned to let it nourish our emotions. And it works, but it's temporary. Something will trigger our urges to indulge. And unless we distract ourselves, we'll keep thinking about that particular food experience until we "give in". Every time we resist giving in, we get stronger and our ability to resist gets stronger, or so the experts say.

In some of the reading I've done this year, there is a belief that when we have the urge, there's a brief period of time in which we can get our minds on something else. If we do that and don't give in, it will pass. But if we keep thinking about how much we want whatever food it is, we'll end up overeating and feeling bad afterwards.

My experience tells me they are correct, at least in my case. Some of the non-food nourishers I've found helpful are playing piano, dancing, going for a walk or a bike ride. Sometimes a hot bath and really exciting mystery novel will do it.

It's different strokes for different folks. Maybe you could take a walk in the fresh air and think about little things that you like to do that really hold your interest. Creating a new piece of jewelry?
Knitting? Puzzles? Playing with pets? Cleaning a drawer?

Anyone else have some suggestions of activities to try? Anything at all that nourishes your emotions and keeps your thoughts away from food until the urge can pass.

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It's not easy and it can be done.
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Edited by: BARBARA_BOO at: 5/23/2010 (20:29)
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5/23/10 7:36 P

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I'm in a funk, stressed out a little, not sleeping well and craving chinese food, chocolate and a whole pile of other things. This is the first time in a long time I've felt this way. Wanted to sneak out to the chinese buffet, but part of what I'm trying to give up is sneaking food - no shame with food - bad sauce!

So I keep reading the phrase here, non-food nourishment. On one level I get it, but on another it's like faster than light travel. Maybe theoretically possible with some huge advance, but fiction for now.

I can't possibly be the only one who feels this way. Can we talk about it? Make suggestions? Lists? include some that don't cost significant money (vacation in Tahiti not in the cards right now)? Please?

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